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  • Savant
  • The Legend

    • 2751

    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: I agree with Biden and the Afghan pullout.
« Reply #140 on: August 27, 2021, 12:34:56 pm »
No, but the point is Trump would have pulled them out in a way that let the government remain in charge.  There would have been a small number of US troops and some continued air support.  Biden gave none of that.  Also, many folks reportedly weren't paid since January.  Hence the collapse of the Afghan army.  There was a right way and a wrong way to pull out.  Biden botched it.  Also if the Taliban attack US troops or folks after Aug 31st, then what will sleep Joe do?  Go back to sleep? 

Did you forget the part where Trump agreed to a full withdrawal of all US military forces? Oh, I'm sure he would have negotiated with the Taliban to keep some US troops in Afghanistan in return for several more thousand of Taliban prisoners released. Art of the Deal and all that crap.


Re: I agree with Biden and the Afghan pullout.
« Reply #141 on: August 27, 2021, 02:47:00 pm »
I dont blame only Biden or only Trump. Bad situation all around. No good options. They both tried to make the best of a bad situation.
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  • Waygook Lord

    • 5061

    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: I agree with Biden and the Afghan pullout.
« Reply #142 on: August 27, 2021, 05:05:16 pm »
American troops have been in South Korea for 70 years. As a result, itís a prosperous country, unlike its neighbors to the north.
They were welcomed by South Korea. Big difference. And while there are plenty of South Koreans who would like the US military to leave, they aren't taking up arms and waging war to get it done.


Re: I agree with Biden and the Afghan pullout.
« Reply #143 on: August 28, 2021, 06:47:27 am »
Itís nuanced. Was the US right to defend South Korea against communism? Yes, and itís the reason we are working here today. North Korea is terrible. Our K friends in the South are free from that.

Itís not nuanced.

The reality is that the U.S. invaded South Korea and Japan; they are militarility occupied, with puppet democracies, useful in next invading China. Exactly the same as Afghanistan, although that was also used as a base for terrorism against China and stealing their natural resources and national reserves. Itís all about anglo-supremacy: forcing their culture on other people (taking away their freedom, not giving it), and then once they are brainwashed with liberalism, maximizing profits off them as consumers. This is the Anglosphereís (failing) imperialist neoliberal model, and some are rightfully defending against these invaders and pioneering new models.

People of the empire post non-stop imperialist propaganda spin. Most donít even know reality anymore after decades of brainwashing, or are of the ďpretend stupidĒ category. But regardless, the reality is that if your government is in someone elseís country you are an invader, period.


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  • Super Waygook

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    • July 16, 2011, 11:28:36 pm
    • Seoul
Re: I agree with Biden and the Afghan pullout.
« Reply #144 on: August 28, 2021, 07:07:45 am »
It would be interesting to look at where the richest cities and counties are in the United States.  It would also be interesting to see how these have changed since the War on Terrortm have changed.  I have family there -- and there is a general sense that military contractors won in a big way.  One question I have about this war is how much money and what percentage of money allocated for Afghanistan ended up in the US.  I suspect MD and VA became a bit richer.  Whatever the intention of the war, I suspect the function of the war ending up helping out a lot of well-connected people. I would like to know how much money was washed in this war.

Also, this war was reasonably successfully conducted without imposing any extra problems on people who did not join the military or have family who chose to join the military to pay for college or other reasons.

Kudos to Biden for an exit with bad optics.


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  • The Legend

    • 2161

    • May 02, 2012, 02:59:44 pm
    • Asia
Re: I agree with Biden and the Afghan pullout.
« Reply #145 on: August 28, 2021, 11:54:29 am »
The reality is that the U.S. invaded South Korea and Japan; they are militarility occupied, with puppet democracies
With your argument, you forgot to include that China also invaded Korea. And now China treats North Korea as a suzerain.