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I was wondering why Martino had latched onto this "'So' tell for cognitive dissonance" thing, which now gets rolled out in about 1/3 of the threads in which he participates. I figured he must have picked up from a YouTuber or podcaster or something, particularly because it really has nothing to do with actual cognitive dissonance ("Cognitive dissonance, coined by Leon Festinger in the 1950s, describes the discomfort people feel when two cognitions, or a cognition and a behavior, contradict each other. I smoke is dissonant with the knowledge that 'Smoking can kill me.' To reduce that dissonance, the smoker must either quit—or justify smoking ['It keeps me thin, and being overweight is a health risk too, you know']. At its core, Festinger’s theory is about how people strive to make sense out of contradictory ideas and lead lives that are, at least in their own minds, consistent and meaningful."*)Turns out Martino has cribbed it from Scott Adams (no real surprise there). Google "So tell for cognitive dissonance" and you'll see. Also unsurprising is that Adams made up his own definition of cognitive dissonance. Less surprising still is Adam's complete obliviousness to the fact that he is a poster child for cognitive dissonance in the traditional sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_TwM7cNJ0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAVMbuETnX0&t=9sThese interviews are masterclasses in deflection, blaming abstract entities ("the media, "elites", etc), diversion, strawmanning, moving goalposts, etc. All wrapped up in a more-logical-than-thou posture. *https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/role-cognitive-dissonance-pandemic/614074/
You mean that there should be things like mask mandates and lockdowns until the death rate is ZERO?
"I'm not so sure that lying is the word I'd use here. I mean, the media has already conditioned everyone to believe that Trump is a liar, so the whole concept of truth has been twisted to fit this very narrow definition, and Trump is basically pronounced guilty before he even has a chance to explain himself. But the more important question, and the one that I don't hear anyone asking, is why people who don't consider themselves Christian insist on using the Gregorian calendar. I mean you've got all these self-declared atheists, agnostics, and so on, proudly broadcasting their indifference to Christianity, and yet when it comes to Donald Trump, they're going to insist that only the Christian calendar can be used to define a day, or month, or year. Like, it's okay for you to reject Christianity, but not okay for Trump to dispense with this one archaic element? And then the whole thing with the city clerk... You've got all these media people and Nancy Pelosi saying that it's forgery. Well, have you considered the etymology of that word? To forge means to make, and what all these hysterical pundits and self-serving politicians don't understand is that in Trump's mind, he made himself born later. We all craft realities for ourselves - anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Blah blah blah blah blah blah..."
I'd just like to point out that you don't need to start a dumb question with "so" when you want to misrepresent the other person's argument in order to troll.You can see this clearly here. Or in just about any Martin post.
The COVID death rate I am willing to accept for normal life is 0.
Is it not possible that someone's "So" statement could actually be an accurate take on another person's point?
What, in particular, is an example of cognitive dissonance? Using the word "So"? As I said above, there are many cases in which it might not be cognitive dissonance.
If I were 34 years old and went around telling people that I'm actually 29, everyone would say that I lie about my age, including Scott Adams. If Donald Trump were found out to be 5 years older than what he claims, and someone found proof that he'd paid a city clerk to alter his birth certificate, Scott Adams would come out with something like:"I'm not so sure that lying is the word I'd use here. I mean, the media has already conditioned everyone to believe that Trump is a liar, so the whole concept of truth has been twisted to fit this very narrow definition, and Trump is basically pronounced guilty before he even has a chance to explain himself. But the more important question, and the one that I don't hear anyone asking, is why people who don't consider themselves Christian insist on using the Gregorian calendar. I mean you've got all these self-declared atheists, agnostics, and so on, proudly broadcasting their indifference to Christianity, and yet when it comes to Donald Trump, they're going to insist that only the Christian calendar can be used to define a day, or month, or year. Like, it's okay for you to reject Christianity, but not okay for Trump to dispense with this one archaic element? And then the whole thing with the city clerk... You've got all these media people and Nancy Pelosi saying that it's forgery. Well, have you considered the etymology of that word? To forge means to make, and what all these hysterical pundits and self-serving politicians don't understand is that in Trump's mind, he made himself born later. We all craft realities for ourselves - anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Blah blah blah blah blah blah..."Then a bunch of fanboys would be like, "Wow! My mind is blown! Scott Adams EVISCERATES hysterical TDS media with LOGIC and REASON."
. The use of the word "So" to start a sentence in a debate, subsequently attached to someone's position. Often as part of a phrase such as "So what you're saying is..." or "So what you really want/mean is..."
Adams responds with something like, "Well, you have to think about intention... If your intention is to accurately report a precise number, that's one thing, but if you're trying to focus your supporters' attention on the border, then it's a kind of truth. There is a greater truth - a problem at the border - which makes these details irrelevant." (Add another two minutes of desperate rambling.)
what im getting from this is that adams is either maga madman or big brain supergenius, which is where i figured the chips would fall anyways, but its still interesting to see them fall nonetheless
So, I see Marty is employing another misdirect on "cognitive dissonance" by trying to bring everyone around to where he wants the argument to go in his mind which is to his land of make-believe, logical fallacies and strawmen. So predictable!
This is accurate and certainly one reason why I dislike him.
No shit. The arrogance of thinking you have to explain this to people... There's no inherent contradiction in recognizing some simple facts about the man while criticizing his behavior. "You don't understand..."
But it's just a misrepresentation - no need to dress it up as anything else.
Harris: "Trump wants X."Adams: "This is one of my tells for cognitive dissonance. How do you know what he wants?"Harris: "Well, I'm using his own words. It's something that he's repeated many times."Adams: "You're experiencing cognitive dissonance."
Genuine question- What do you think your arguments involve? Intellectual rigor, logical consistency, and a complete absence of fallacy?
May I ask, why did you focus more on my phrasing of things with "the 'so' tell for cognitive dissonance" as opposed to taking gogators! to task for blatantly misrepresenting my position, Mr. C for blasting me for misrepresenting things while simultaneously equating seatbelts with COVID restrictions and MayorHaggar blatantly getting things wrong with this post-"I'd just like to point out that you don't need to start a dumb question with "so" when you want to misrepresent the other person's argument in order to troll.You can see this clearly here. Or in just about any Martin post."There were three things there, whose errors were much more severe IMO, yet you chose to focus on me. May I ask why? Wouldn't someone who aspires to reason and objectivity seek to apply fair standards?
You're the posting equivalent of that Monty Python sketch.