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What death rate are you willing to accept to return to normal life (no masking, no social distancing measure, no track and trace, etc.)?

This is a conversation a mature populace should be able to have, and should be having.

I think you really have to look at the potential damage prolonged economic shutdown will have. Unintended consequence after unintended consequence is stacking up over this. My best guess is 20-30/100k is where we can accept zero change. After that you have to start incrementally imposing things.
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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2021, 06:23:37 pm »
While contentious for some, it 's a bit of a no-brainer really. Once, people stop focusing on infections and instead foucus on rates of hospitalisations and deaths per infection to the point where those numbers are equivalent to the influenza then it will be over. One of the many problems at the moment is approval to vaccinate children under 12. While this group doesn't appear to suffer long Covid and the more severe symptoms, not enough is known just yet. They do appear to be prolific spreaders of the disease and if older groups are vaccinated it might not be a problem.
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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2021, 11:53:20 am »
What death rate are you willing to accept to return to normal life (no masking, no social distancing measure, no track and trace, etc.)?

This is a conversation a mature populace should be able to have, and should be having.

I think you really have to look at the potential damage prolonged economic shutdown will have. Unintended consequence after unintended consequence is stacking up over this. My best guess is 20-30/100k is where we can accept zero change. After that you have to start incrementally imposing things.

Your death or someone else's?


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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2021, 11:56:24 am »
Your death or someone else's?

someone else's, preferably


Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2021, 12:21:02 pm »
Your death or someone else's?
There's a chance you can die. That's what X/100K means. Same with accidents, the flu and murders.
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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2021, 12:27:36 pm »
There's a chance you can die. That's what X/100K means. Same with accidents, the flu and murders.

Find a country or a city with a very high murder rate and let's find out....


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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2021, 12:56:47 pm »
are you trying to actually take this line of reasoning somewhere hangook or do you just want a reason to come off vaguely threatening


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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2021, 01:06:00 pm »


There certainly does appear to be an elevated level of hostility on the board of late.  Have the mods been asleep at the wheel?
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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2021, 01:11:58 pm »
Since most people don’t have a feel for these, see p.4 for the US numbers on top 10 causes of death in 2018 and 2019:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db395-H.pdf

First and second on the list are Heart disease at about 160/100k, and cancer at ~150. No question question we should work on those.

10th is Suicide, at 14/100k.

The thing is, there are resources being put into preventing these deaths. Nobody really sits down and says “yeah, we have done all we can!” and nobody knows where the number would be without the spending.


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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2021, 01:19:09 pm »
Find a country or a city with a very high murder rate and let's find out....
Well, the U.S. is fairly high ATM with 4.96. Livable enough. Back in the 80s, it was double that, which would put it at the same level as Nigera or the Congo or the Dominican Republic or Iraq. I lived through the 80s.

It's why "double" can be a dramatic change or a minor one. Sometimes it's really hard to say which.
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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2021, 01:36:17 pm »
99% would be pretty cool. It would be like the "Omega Man".
Cruise the streets high on drugs with lots of guns and stuff.


Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2021, 01:55:11 pm »
When weighing an opportunity to have a bit more fun vs the lives of the vulnerable, I'm generally going to choose to protect lives. Sorry if that's not the answer you were looking for.


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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2021, 01:59:34 pm »
When weighing an opportunity to have a bit more fun vs the lives of the vulnerable, I'm generally going to choose to protect lives. Sorry if that's not the answer you were looking for.

its not the answer we're looking for because that isnt the question we're asking. assuming you actually have something you want to contribute, try again without the strawmanning


Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2021, 02:03:31 pm »
its not the answer we're looking for because that isnt the question we're asking. assuming you actually have something you want to contribute, try again without the strawmanning

So aggressive.

Okay, I'll try to find the correct question and answer it.

"What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?"

The COVID death rate I am willing to accept for normal life is 0.

Let me know if I made another mistake. Thank you teacher <3


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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2021, 02:10:52 pm »
So aggressive.

Okay, I'll try to find the correct question and answer it.

"What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?"

The COVID death rate I am willing to accept for normal life is 0.

Let me know if I made another mistake. Thank you teacher <3

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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2021, 02:29:07 pm »
So aggressive.

Okay, I'll try to find the correct question and answer it.

"What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?"

The COVID death rate I am willing to accept for normal life is 0.

Let me know if I made another mistake. Thank you teacher <3
You mean that there should be things like mask mandates and lockdowns until the death rate is ZERO? As in the disease is completely eradicated? Bear in mind that this is a standard that we have never applied to any disease.

I mean, the bubonic plague still kills a handful of people. We don't grind the country to a halt over it.

Are you aware of the death rate for other infectious diseases pre-COVID? Are you saying we should have had mask mandates and social distancing rules then?

Does this apply to other causes of death? Should we drastically change our lifestyles to prevent them?
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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2021, 02:34:19 pm »
despite my best efforts, fate has taken its course. let the bonanza begin


Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2021, 03:08:34 pm »
despite my best efforts, fate has taken its course. let the bonanza begin
The poster is entitled to their position. I just want to make sure they're clear and then to understand their reasoning. Sometimes people can say something like "Not one death is tolerable" and then when prodded, indicate that they meant that more as an idealistic goal, not a practical standard.
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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2021, 03:11:23 pm »
The poster is entitled to their position. I just want to make sure they're clear and then to understand their reasoning. Sometimes people can say something like "Not one death is tolerable" and then when prodded, indicate that they meant that more in as an idealistic goal, not a practical standard.

far be it to put words in another poster's mouth, but i'm of the opinion that they were aiming to hit me with either hyperbole or sarcasm, probably both


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Re: What COVID death rate are you willing to accept for normal life?
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2021, 02:31:39 am »


Does this apply to other causes of death? Should we drastically change our lifestyles to prevent them?
So no speed limits, seat belts, car seats, air bags and driver's tests?

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