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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #340 on: September 07, 2021, 07:05:01 pm »
I don't think he was stirring the pot at all. I think he was making a serious point, which happened to be the same as the person he was interviewing.
Not really. I mean, most people comics say tasteless stuff from time to time, that's part of comedy, but he isn't running his show like it's Howard Stern or Opie & Anthony. He doesn't do political interviews with pundits and politicians and treat it as some cornball affair.

I think you're confusing "tasteless" with "I happen to disagree with the point he's making from time to time"
Such as lobbing cruise missiles from thousands of miles away that happen to take out civilians from time to time? Drone strikes? Shooting up civilians at check points? Napalming a village? Firebombing a city?

This is more cowardly than the guys with box cutters going up against whatever they may face in the unknown? Guys with AKs taking on the most well-equipped and trained military in the world? Guys with RPGs going up against Abrams tanks?

I mean, I wouldn't call them brave either, but I think cowardly ignores the reality of the strength disparity as well. It's not like they can just climb into F-22s and take on the US military in a 1v1 joust.
They were high on religion. I would compare them to, for example, the guy high on mushrooms who just shot and killed a 21-yar-old father in a Miami Beach restaurant or the killer in Lakeland on meth who thought God was talking to him.

I think they are more alike the atrocities you mention than different.

Tastelessness is often a part of comedy, yes. And that's what he is, a comedian.  People didn't laugh so he got fired.



Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #341 on: September 07, 2021, 08:10:52 pm »
They were high on religion. I would compare them to, for example, the guy high on mushrooms who just shot and killed a 21-yar-old father in a Miami Beach restaurant or the killer in Lakeland on meth who thought God was talking to him.

I think they are more alike the atrocities you mention than different.
I actually wont disagree with you for at least some, maybe even most of them. That's a pretty apt comparison.

However for others, like say a Mohammed Atta who both organizes and does it, it is more akin to the atrocities you mentioned.

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Tastelessness is often a part of comedy, yes. And that's what he is, a comedian.  People didn't laugh so he got fired.
And the Dixie Chicks? I don't think anyone would say they deserved it, but they got canceled.

I think it was more due to the hysteria of the time than content. Everyone was super "patriotic" then. It wasn't until the Iraq War soured that a statement like Maher's started to become scceprable. Certainly now no one eould object as strongly given close to two decades of fighting and them emerging semi-victorious.


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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #342 on: September 07, 2021, 11:11:15 pm »
The Lions Club has two fundamental rules:

No talk about religion.
No talk about politics.

Over a hundred years of social service. My dad was a longstanding member. When i go back, i'll join.

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Life's to live! Live! Breathe. Relax. Enjoy. Animals teach us to focus on family, friends and avoid danger. Get what you need and get along with others. That said, some rock the boat, but they know capsizin' it means they're sunk. Some sink, let's swim! The sea's big, great, but has undercurrents.


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #343 on: September 08, 2021, 12:01:42 am »
I actually wont disagree with you for at least some, maybe even most of them. That's a pretty apt comparison.

However for others, like say a Mohammed Atta who both organizes and does it, it is more akin to the atrocities you mentioned.
And the Dixie Chicks? I don't think anyone would say they deserved it, but they got canceled.

I think it was more due to the hysteria of the time than content. Everyone was super "patriotic" then. It wasn't until the Iraq War soured that a statement like Maher's started to become scceprable. Certainly now no one eould object as strongly given close to two decades of fighting and them emerging semi-victorious.
The Dixie Chicks are country music stars and could have guessed what might happen due to the stand they took. But I don't think they deserved it. However, it's often said there are two things you should never talk about at work--politics and religion. They were at work.

I would never compare them and the stand they took to maher.


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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #344 on: September 22, 2021, 02:13:11 am »
Do these same people have time to watch TV? To play video games? To watch porn?

Most Americans say they want to work out more but just don't have the time.

https://www.eatthis.com/news-lifting-weights-once-per-week/

Eye-opening research from the CDC published in Preventing Chronic Disease that studied over 32,000 U.S. subjects found that the average American actually has about five hours of free time daily, which is usually wasted on screen time.

There's nothing wrong with wasting some time on TV or Instagram here and there, but these findings just go to show our schedules may not be quite as packed as they seem.


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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #345 on: September 22, 2021, 08:46:31 pm »
Most Americans say they want to work out more but just don't have the time.

https://www.eatthis.com/news-lifting-weights-once-per-week/

Eye-opening research from the CDC published in Preventing Chronic Disease that studied over 32,000 U.S. subjects found that the average American actually has about five hours of free time daily, which is usually wasted on screen time.

There's nothing wrong with wasting some time on TV or Instagram here and there, but these findings just go to show our schedules may not be quite as packed as they seem.

Once knew a company owner who said if his employees were working out after work it meant they weren't working hard enough at work.

I have to agree, though, that slothfulness has become ubiquitous thanks to technology, which unless you're homesteading off the grid, is pretty much all pervasive. Even nomad reindeer herders in Siberia have satellite TV.


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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #346 on: September 22, 2021, 08:52:21 pm »
Back to US health care. I've spent more than a week trying to get an appointment with a specialist and after jumping through hoops still haven't got one. And it took one phone call and five emails to straighten out a bill for lab work--$385 for a blood test--with the insurance company and doctor's office.


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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #347 on: September 23, 2021, 03:36:49 am »
So after five emails and one phone the cost to you was $0? Looks like it's covered under medicare. Correct me if I'm wrong though.


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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #348 on: September 23, 2021, 10:50:53 am »
So after five emails and one phone the cost to you was $0? Looks like it's covered under medicare. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
It wasn't for me so Medicare doesn't apply here. And the cost was more than $0. BTW, my prescription for symbicort is $47 with Medicare after paying a $150 deductible,

And after finally getting an appointment  this morning, the wait is one month. But we're on the cancellation list. Oorah!

So I have a question for you. With so many great jobs available in the US and your belief that everything is just peachy here, why aren't you here instead of being there? You'd have a great job, great healthcare, you'd be closer to your heroes Maher and Stossel and you wouldn't be talking out of your hat all the time.

So why aren't you in the US of A?

And after finally getting an appointment  this morning, the wait is one month. But we're on the cancellation list. Oorah!


Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #349 on: September 23, 2021, 12:17:52 pm »
Well in Korea you could be paying 130 a month for your "free" health care that you think is somehow possible.


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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #350 on: September 28, 2021, 12:01:06 am »
Well in Korea you could be paying 130 a month for your "free" health care that you think is somehow possible.
I was paying more than 130 in Korea, and I'm paying more than that now in the US. No one mentioned "free" health care.

An internist's wife down the street had a premature baby last month. He's got a stack of bills that even he can't understand. In his opinion, it's planned that way. If you're confused, you'll just pay whatever they ask.



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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #351 on: September 28, 2021, 12:54:04 am »
The US healthcare system never ceases to surprise me.  Itís a testament to of how much a highly developed country can maintain a highly inefficient, profit-driven system against the overwhelming economic interests and basic health needs of the majority of
the population, succeeding in creating (partly goverment funded) marvelous vaccines while also charging hundreds of dollars for simple medicine such as aspirin and $1000 ambulance rides.  Right when youíre quite possibly in the worst situation to negotiate, when think you could potentially die or be permanently damaged.  Itís a major factor in why I havenít gone home. 

Truly a remarkable monument to greed and irrational calculations when considered in relation to the overall interests of people and industry.  Truly spectacular.


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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #352 on: September 28, 2021, 05:48:51 am »
The US healthcare system never ceases to surprise me.  Itís a testament to of how much a highly developed country can maintain a highly inefficient, profit-driven system against the overwhelming economic interests and basic health needs of the majority of
the population, succeeding in creating (partly goverment funded) marvelous vaccines while also charging hundreds of dollars for simple medicine such as aspirin and $1000 ambulance rides.  Right when youíre quite possibly in the worst situation to negotiate, when think you could potentially die or be permanently damaged.  Itís a major factor in why I havenít gone home. 

Truly a remarkable monument to greed and irrational calculations when considered in relation to the overall interests of people and industry.  Truly spectacular.
That reminds me. The internist had to call an ambulance for his wife and his insurance doesn't want to cover what is an expensive trip.


Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #353 on: September 28, 2021, 11:58:09 am »
The US healthcare system never ceases to surprise me.  Itís a testament to of how much a highly developed country can maintain a highly inefficient, profit-driven system against the overwhelming economic interests and basic health needs of the majority of
the population, succeeding in creating (partly goverment funded) marvelous vaccines while also charging hundreds of dollars for simple medicine such as aspirin and $1000 ambulance rides.  Right when youíre quite possibly in the worst situation to negotiate, when think you could potentially die or be permanently damaged.  Itís a major factor in why I havenít gone home. 

Truly a remarkable monument to greed and irrational calculations when considered in relation to the overall interests of people and industry.  Truly spectacular.
1) The U.S. system DOES work for the majority of people. Most people have insurance and are happy with it.
2) The U.S. health care system, like its education system and other sectors is much more innovation and competition-driven as opposed to social welfare focused. This has pros and cons. It has helped make the U.S. a leader (or close to it) in a huge number of sectors. It helps drive innovation and invention.

It also often results in disparate outcomes and sometimes harsh inequalities.

The U.S. system is to the benefit of billions around the world. It's actually good that our planet has multiple systems that mutually benefit each other.

Unfortunately for millions in the U.S., they end up uncovered and burdened with expense. No system is perfect.


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Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #354 on: September 28, 2021, 12:24:27 pm »
1) The U.S. system DOES work for the majority of people. Most people have insurance and are happy with it.

...got proof, or are you just saying that?


Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #355 on: September 28, 2021, 12:58:55 pm »
From 2007. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2071992/
Then 2019. https://news.gallup.com/poll/245054/americans-remain-dissatisfied-healthcare-costs.aspx

But there's a major caveat in that majorities of Americans respond positively to the quality of their personal care. So it's a bit like the situation where everyone claims to hate politicians and "D.C. elites", but keeps voting for the same Senate and House reps in every election cycle. Systemic dissatisfaction, personal complacency.
1) I think if you take a poll of the cost of anything, most people are going to say it's too expensive.
2) "Just 16% of respondents in the US said that minor changes in health care are needed, while 34% said the system needed to be rebuilt completely." Or in other words, 50% satisfied, another 16% think only minor changes necessary.

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Just 16% of respondents in the US said that minor changes in health care are needed, while 34% said the system needed to be rebuilt completely. Among Dutch respondents 42% said that minor changes in health care are needed and only 9% thought that the system needed to be rebuilt completely. About a quarter of respondents in the four British Commonwealth countries thought their systems needed only minor tinkering; large majorities thought they needed fundamental changes or complete rebuilding. In the UK 26% said that the healthcare system needed only minor changes, 57% said fundamental changes were needed, and 15% said the system needed complete rebuilding.
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that finding NOT support their conclusion? That seems like 72% of UK respondents seriously dissatisfied vs. 34% for the U.S. Looks like actually the UK has the highest dissatisfaction.


Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #356 on: September 28, 2021, 01:03:03 pm »
...got proof, or are you just saying that?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245054/americans-remain-dissatisfied-healthcare-costs.aspx
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Quality is one aspect of U.S. healthcare Americans are pleased with -- 55% rate U.S. healthcare quality as excellent (17%) or good (38%). Thirty-one percent believe quality is only fair and 14% say it is poor.

A majority of U.S. adults have consistently rated healthcare quality positively, including highs of 62% in 2010 and 2012.

https://news.gallup.com/file/poll/245060/181128CostAccess.pdf
And as far as the coverage, while they only listed Excellent/Good, when you include "fair" the number is well above 50% with "poor" hovering around the 20s-30s.


Re: It makes me sick to my stomach
« Reply #357 on: September 28, 2021, 02:16:34 pm »
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.26.6.w717
The full survey results suggest otherwise. It's behind a paywall but I have access through my uni library, so you may have to take my word for it.

UK: Only minor changes needed, system works well - 26%
Fundamental changes needed - 57%
Rebuild completely - 15%

USA: Only minor changes needed, system works well - 18%
Fundamental changes needed - 48%
Rebuild completely - 34%
Geez....you'd think they could have included that outside of the paywall given the title.....

Not your fault and thanks for the info, but I think we both can agree it was a bit perplexing (not in a conspiratorial way, just like a "uhhh did their research assistant mess that part up way) for that not to be part of the free portion given everything!