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It makes me sick to my stomach
« on: August 11, 2021, 01:50:30 am »
that health care in the US is so dadgummed expensive:
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Anna Werner
Mon, August 9, 2021, 6:43 PM
Americans are drowning in medical debt. From 2009 to 2020, medical bills were the largest source of debt in the U.S., with a record $140 billion owed last year, according to a recent study from the Journal of the American Medical Association. The record accounts only for the debt that has been sent to collections.

Neale Mahoney, a Stanford economics professor and lead author of the study, said medical bills are often higher for people living in a dozen states that chose not to expand eligibility for Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

"The fact that the health care system, which is supposed to heal people is creating half the debt in collections in the United States is really something that is quite distressing," he said.

And they hound you like you're a criminal:
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Alysa Gummow lives in Kenosha, Wisconsin, which is one of the states that did not expand Medicaid eligibility.

When a man showed up at Gummow's front door in October with a court summons, the single mother was crushed. For the second time, she was being sued for unpaid medical bills her insurance didn't cover.

"I felt like a criminal, like, I was doing something wrong," she said. "It just makes me feel like a failure."

A $50,000 bill for hip surgery forced her into bankruptcy in 2017, despite having a full-time job.

Now she has a job that pays more, but not enough to afford new bills not covered by her high-deductible insurance plan.

Debt collectors call day and night. Gummow is now on a payment plan, but the $193 a month leaves her choosing between prescriptions and groceries.

"I feel like I will be in debt the rest of my life," Gummow said.

It's a crying shame that a person with a full-time job and medical insurance (of some sort) can't afford to get sick.

Sleepy Joe's trying to make things better;
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In an executive order penned Friday, Biden doubled down on efforts to combat high prescription drug prices in the U.S. by promoting generic and biosimilar competition, allowing Medicare to negotiate drug costs and more. Despite the administration’s lofty ambitions, it remains “far from clear” whether Biden’s goals will pan out, one antitrust and competition lawyer said.

The order calls on the Department of Health and Human Services to lay out its strategy to combat costly prescription drugs within 45 days and take on the “recurrent problem of price gouging” in the U.S. The president also tasked HHS with developing a plan to “enhance” local pharmaceutical supply chains.


But Rs appear to be dead set on obstructing more sweeping initiatives.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2021, 08:10:59 pm by VanIslander »


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2021, 02:18:12 am »
A BIG part of medical problems in the United States is obesity. If people weren’t so fat, they wouldn’t be so sick.

Asian Americans need to go to the hospital less than other demographics and consequently have less medical debt. Why? Because they’re not obese.


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2021, 03:31:07 am »
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Grammar mistakes by English language teachers make me sick to my stomach.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2021, 03:33:19 am by VanIslander »


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2021, 07:02:26 am »
Corpus Linguistics dude!

https://netspeak.org/#q=sick+%3F

It collocates 2 per cent of the time.

« Last Edit: August 11, 2021, 07:08:02 am by Adel »


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2021, 07:26:24 am »
A BIG part of medical problems in the United States is obesity. If people weren’t so fat, they wouldn’t be so sick.

Asian Americans need to go to the hospital less than other demographics and consequently have less medical debt. Why? Because they’re not obese.

Li, we know you think the USA is the greatest thing since sliced bread
(which America invented), and that everything the USA does and
everything America has is the best, but it is nonsense to defend its
healthcare system. Keeping yourself and your neighbors healthy
should not be an exercise in making profit. Healthcare is a common
good and should not exist to make stockholders richer.


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2021, 07:38:45 am »
A BIG part of medical problems in the United States is obesity. If people weren’t so fat, they wouldn’t be so sick.

Asian Americans need to go to the hospital less than other demographics and consequently have less medical debt. Why? Because they’re not obese.

the american healthcare system scalps everyone on everything. "be less fat and they'll have less chances to rip you off" doesn't really do much to solve the overarching problem


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2021, 08:25:35 am »
the american healthcare system scalps everyone on everything. "be less fat and they'll have less chances to rip you off" doesn't really do much to solve the overarching problem

When a hospital is allowed to bill 100 dollars for an aspirin to an insurance company and everyone needs a good lawsuit to get set for life, costs get passed around.  Inflated costs where every single person and middle man is getting their piece of the pie at your expense.  It is the worse type of corporate cronyism.  It isn't a capitalism problem so much as a corruption problem.  There were more non profits in the past.  Those need to come back.  Also lawsuits should be limited, transparent billing, and maybe only reasonable profits are allowed.  Maybe some government oversight though normally government should stay out.  Also, patents more than so many years old should not be allowed to be owned by anyone.  IE  An insulin treatment from the year 2001 should be allowed on the market by any generic company for cheap.  If you want to buy a more modern one with more specific dna targeted treatment for a huge expense that is only a year or two old, then you should be allowed to choose that one or the older one from 20 years ago that is much much cheaper.  There should also be a limit to how much prices can rise on a life saving treatment after several years on the market and especially if someone buys the patent like Martin Shkreli.


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2021, 08:30:11 am »
How about less Americans be diabetic? Then they won’t need those super expensive treatments. Type 2 is cause by bad diet. Too much crap. Eat healthy and lose weight and the diabetes goes away.



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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2021, 08:39:18 am »
“leaves her choosing between prescriptions and groceries.”

That is sad … but ironically if she ate less, she wouldn’t need the prescriptions anymore. As of now, she’s obese.

Poor people in America: usually very overweight. If they spent less on food, they’d have more money to spend on other things, plus their health would improve.


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2021, 08:41:44 am »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm4TAdiEFn0

In his editorial New Rule, Bill Maher calls on Americans to take control of their health and address the growing obesity epidemic.


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2021, 10:17:03 am »
“leaves her choosing between prescriptions and groceries.”

That is sad … but ironically if she ate less, she wouldn’t need the prescriptions anymore. As of now, she’s obese.

Poor people in America: usually very overweight. If they spent less on food, they’d have more money to spend on other things, plus their health would improve.

Sadly, the price of pre packaged processed foods in the US and Canada are often cheaper.  Though admittedly more folks should learn to cook more creative recipes and be able to get their hand on small amounts of meat for protein and such. 


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2021, 10:21:46 am »
Obesity comes from consuming too many calories. Less calories = cheaper than more calories. People can’t afford to eat less? Switching out cola for water is healthier and will save money.


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2021, 10:50:39 am »
Obesity comes from consuming too many calories. Less calories = cheaper than more calories. People can’t afford to eat less? Switching out cola for water is healthier and will save money.

Sure.  Some folks who are poor and destitute have a crutch as some food like this is the only luxury in their life.  So, I am sympathetic.  I have seen many poor people who drank pepsi, smoked cigarettes (they use to be cheap), etc.  That said, switching to water is a good thing and maybe some powdered coffee mix can be cheap too.  I had some of that when I was a poor college student. 

That said, a box of oreos was cheaper than some fruit.  A box of mac and cheese or a can of soup was cheaper than steak and potatoes.  I sometimes had to eat poor.  Though some meals were hamburg steak with carrots and veggies or potatoes, a stew, a casserole, etc.  Some meals were cream of chicken campbells soup, a grilled cheese sandwich, or mac and cheese.  Some meals we drank water, had some milk.  Only soda once in a while.  My mom did get creative during some downtimes.  Some times were better financially of course but some downtimes required some real ingenuity.  That said for some others who were more poor and had real inter-generational poverty, things may have been very different.  Switching some foods are quite easy.  I personally think less people smoke and now snack more.  Smoking suppressed appetite.  Traded one form of problem for another. 

The real issue is folks need a life, a purpose, things to keep busy, and of course some professional training in cooking with cheap cuts of meat and basic veggies might be good too.  (Granted the internet and pinterest can close some of those gaps.)  Basic depression about life makes folks find comfort in foods I do believe.  Unless you find a good hobby or some other thing. 


Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2021, 10:50:39 am »
Sadly, the price of pre packaged processed foods in the US and Canada are often cheaper.  Though admittedly more folks should learn to cook more creative recipes and be able to get their hand on small amounts of meat for protein and such. 

The poor often have to work very long hours, many of them have more than one job (at one point my mom had three jobs), and let's not forget about struggling single-parent households. What you end up with are very tired parents who're often also suffering from stress and depression. This often means buying foods that the kids can cook or prepare for themselves without hurting themselves or burning their homes down because the parent or parents won't be home to cook it for them (and even when they are they're often just too tired). And that involves a lot of processed foods which can evolve into bad eating habits in general.

In short, it isn't just about the financial costs, although that is a big factor for a lot of families depending on where they live. A lot of it comes down to time and availability, too.


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2021, 11:03:06 am »
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Grammar mistakes by English language teachers make me sick to my stomach.

I hear you man.  There was one poster who once correctly used the term "breads" when referring to different kinds of bread.  Then this other condescending poster (can't remember who) came on and tried not to just to admonish him, but inexplicably the entire board, for using "breads" instead of "bread".  Ironically, the crusading poster was the one who didn't understand that the use of the term "breads" was acceptable in certain situations and was made a laughing stock of the thread.  Odd thing is they never apologized for their mistake.  Made me sick from my stomach. 

But I agree with Chinguetti on the eating habits issue.  People often eat a cheeseburger from a fast food joint out of necessity, rather than choice.  Having a parent or other family member who stays at home and has a nutritous home cooked meal ready at 6pm is a luxury not afforded to many families.  Many people don't have the option of hitting the gym everyday.  LI keeps going on and on about obesity. not seeming to grasp that poor eating habits aren't always a choice. 


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2021, 11:12:55 am »
Poor eating habits aren’t a choice? Yes, they are. People can choose to eat less. But they don’t want to. No one is too poor to eat less. No one is too short on time to eat less. Fasting is actually healthy and improves concentration over the long haul. More people should try it. Poor or not, everyone can become non-obese. What keeps them in the obese state is eating way too many calories.


Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2021, 11:18:22 am »
https://feedingsouthdakota.org/news/food-insecure-people-are-vulnerable-to-obesity/

Now imagine these people starting off as children first.


Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2021, 11:20:56 am »
Do these same people have time to watch TV? To play video games? To watch porn?

If exercising and cooking a healthy meal earned them sex with the person of their choice or kept them from being evicted or got them a free bag of top weed they'd do it in 90% of cases of people under the age of 50.

 If you can insert some sort of fulfilled desire as the reward for doing something, and it causes a complete change in behavior for most people, the problem is their motivation.


Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2021, 01:39:01 pm »
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Grammar mistakes by English language teachers make me sick to my stomach.

Weren’t you the one who didn’t know about plural nouns; fishes, breads etc


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Re: It makes me sick at my stomach
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2021, 01:58:36 pm »
Weren’t you the one who said, “Americans are literally starving.”? You were. And that’s false. They’re dying from the opposite. Obesity. The cause of which is eating too much.