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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2021, 03:40:46 pm »
Are you implying they should cut the rural teachers, or just reduce the amount of NETs in the big cities? That's a little unclear for me.
Cause, I think the rural areas are where we are needed the most.

I meant to say that if the MOEs are running low on budget, they should invest more into retaining/ keeping/ and providing training opportunities for the long-term (E2 visa) teachers, who have worked with them for 3 + years or more, and especially into those who hold F2 (long-term resident visas) or F6 (marriage Visas) because they are the ones who are more invested in living in this country long term, and hire less new incoming (post -Covid), E2 teachers, into the cities, and rural areas under the current EPIK pay scale and benefits system.

However, since the teachers are really needed out there in the rural areas, what the Korean government can do is hire more teachers through its "Talk Scholar applicants" where they pay just the 1,5 mil per month. Although the Talk Scholarship is only renewable for 2 terms, the government can adjust it to make it renewable for up to 3 years and increase the pay to 1.6 (2nd year) and 1.8 (3rd year). And also, the government can fill these rural positions by hiring more teachers from the US "Full bright Scholarship program" this will literally cost almost nothing for the Korean government because the US government would be providing the 1.8 mill stipend to their scholars and their scholarship is renewable for up to 3 years. Also, it would be much cheaper because these scholars have to stay with a Korean homestay family, which gets 500,000 a month (or the equivalent of the housing stipend to house and feed the guest scholar) and no need to pay down any key-housing money for them.

The key point, it's not okay to s***w over hard-working dedicated teachers and long-term residents by punishing them and taking away their rightfully earned housing allowance.
If the budget availability isn't what it use to be, then the government should start making sensible changes where it hurts the least. Sure, it will be disappointing for the new applicants to hear of the new changes, but it will be less damaging for them to know what they're getting into upfront.

(If the incoming teachers don't like it, there will always be Hakwon's to hire them ... and only those interested in the teaching and learning scholarship will apply).
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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2021, 03:44:22 pm »
and their government can be problematic in the same way that Korea's government was problematic for foreign teachers in the mid-1990s and especially during the IMF financial crises. During this time I've read and heard that not only illegal English teachers were targeted and arrested, but  every Western-looking person could be stopped by the police and questioned, arrested, detained, and deported for just carrying ESL/ English books without a teaching license. The old apartment maintenance ajeossi's all acted as spies for the government and monitored for any foreigners, and if they saw the same foreigner coming over they called the immigration authorities to come and arrest that person at their Korean guest's house. (Probably many could have been tutoring but even if there was no proof, and the person was a guest, it didn't matter, they were escorted out immediately and arrested). But then, maybe the reason Korea's pay was so high since it compensated for the possible social and political hardships, and terribly corrupt bosses, and even the MOEs that wanted to not pay the salary properly.
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As someone who was here before the I.M.F. crisis hit Korea hard and through the following ten months, you can rest assured that none of that is true.  None.  Isolated examples?  Maybe.  But never happened to me, or anyone I knew.  To make up for the run of teachers that couldn't keep up with their loans that did midnight runs they just let what teachers were here do their thing.  Lots of freedom, actually.   I myself taught at over 25 different public schools for my after school program as they kept sending me and the other remaining teachers around to fill gaps caused by the mass exodus.  I was never treated better by a school than during the I.M.F. crisis.  The whole thing with apt. security guys ratting out teachers supposedly occurred during the heyday 2000s. 


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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #82 on: July 21, 2021, 03:50:32 pm »

If the budget availability isn't what it use to be, then the government should start making sensible changes...


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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2021, 04:23:14 pm »
Why do you even bother logging out and log back in with your sock, after you've been exposed?

Whoops, I apologize for the spelling and minor grammatical error there.
I meant to write "used to be " as in the past tense form of how things were (or what I heard about how things were from others) .


Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #84 on: July 21, 2021, 06:34:59 pm »
What would be better is if the Native English Teachers could maybe write more complaints to their embassies, and governments back home, and then at the government level there could be some negotiations done and salaries/ benefits and opportunities re-evaluated. I know that back in the 1990's many Americans wrote to their embassy and the American government set an advisory which discouraged and warned others from working at South Korean Hakwon's due to the corruption and disorganization and dangers ect.. That might have also discouraged the teachers and the reason as to why there were so few teachers in Korea at the time (other than the IMF crises). For example, if enough teachers complained to their governments, maybe the governments from the 7 countries would get in touch with the Korean leaders and things might change then..

Korea and Koreans are very concerned about their image and how others perceive them, so if word got out that many English teachers feel mistreated under-compensated and work in badly treated, and are considering going over to China or else where to teach... that would be a really big blow to the "South Korean" 우리 나라" ego... I'm sure things would have to improve, even if it were only for the purpose of the country saving "face".
The key is- How to differentiate that from every other person on their planet who thinks their bosses are idiots and they should be paid more?

You're going to have to do better than "I get paid enough to have disposable income to party and post on Instagram and take a vacation every 6 months but really, I should be paid more and my boss sucks" to get the government's attention.

The best thing to do is the slow, boring way- You create an organization that provides services to its members. In addition to more mundane services, some might include supplementary health/auto insurance, social services and legal services. From there you connect with domestic organizations that overlap and are sympathetic. Once you've achieved a critical mass of membership and networking, you are then in a better position to attempt change.

Yes, it's slow. We're talking something that at best, and improbably, would take five years. Probably ten. Yes, you're not instantly in the streets protesting or taking anyone down. But it's how you build. I know everyone thinks you just get people riled on twitter and then the media notices and that's all it takes, but it's not really like that for many things in the real world.


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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #85 on: July 21, 2021, 07:07:20 pm »
Whoops, I apologize for the spelling and minor grammatical error there.
I meant to write "used to be " as in the past tense form of how things were (or what I heard about how things were from others) .

Sure thing, hangook.


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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2021, 08:45:53 am »
You must be living confined to a tiny one room and eating ramion every meal.  Taking the tiny busses all over rural here and there.  In which case it may be possible to save a bit more.  But living like a college student watching every penny is a bit ridiculous once you are an adult.  Also the fact that you could repay debt, save money, and go out and do things all at the same time before doesn't mean you can do so now.  Now it is one or the other. 

3 mil total salary (not sure if this is with housing allowance or excluding it).  That makes a big impact.  Certainty on 3 million base salary (not counting the extra housing allowance or overtime pay or renewal allowance) you can send home 1.5 mil easily most months.  If you want to live in any kind of style (not rich or luxurious by any means) it will cost you fast.  Anyways, total deductions which once seemed to ab around 8 or 9 per cent of pay seem more like 13 per cent nowadays.  So, take that off 3 mil.  340,000 gone.  2.65 remaining.  Food and cooking at home and toiletries, toilet paper cleaner etc at least 200 to 250.  Utilities maintenance fees water electric smart phone etc.  250k.  school lunches 80k a month.  gas (or lpg fuel to commute around to schools) 100k just going to school and home mostly.  any other trips will be more.  insurance cheap but works out to 35k monthly.  eating out occasionally not often grabbing occasional coffee.  100k  odds and ends convenience store odd small thing off coupang, etc.  100k   I'm sure there are some small things I am missing.  (Oh yeah, my rent is closer to 500k so I spend 100 k more than the allowance.)  But I do believe I usually have to keep one million won a month in Korea (slightly more, not much).  I am closer to 2.95ish not counting rent, renewal allowance, overtime, etc.  So, around 1.5ish can be sent home for me.  I think a bit under.  So, if I were 2.1 I guess I'd prob be closer to 600 or 700 k sent home each month.  I do rememebr my student loans were 500 a month or so US.  So, it would have taken most of what I sent home.  No savings.  Good thing 2.1 was worth something when I made it so that I could repay my debt and still save money, plus spend here.  Staying in your one room eating ramien all the time must suck.  But if folks defend 2.1 while pinching more pennies to send home a bit more, well it's not what it was nor worth it.  I hardly live extravagant.  I drive a car I've had almost 10 years and drive it sparingly.  A few luxury purchases like a decent mountain bike a couple of years back I suppose come up from time to time.

My school actually got me a decent sized 3 bedroom apartment. It's an old building, but it's still a decent size. I bought my own gym equipment and even have one of my rooms as a gym room. And no, I don't eat ramen for every meal, in fact, I haven't had noodles in about 2 years. I buy chicken, beef, and lamb, and buy a mix of frozen vegetables and mixed vegetables. I buy bananas often outside of summer (in summer they just go bad too quickly). I use almond milk a lot too. And this is all stuff I'm doing now. Like I said, even buying meat, vegetables, fruits, and other stuff + necessary bills, I only end up spending around 800 - 900k KRW per month, and even at 2.1 you could easily save around half of what you earn after tax.
I'm at 3.05mil won per month in a public school (as I've been here about 5 years) and don't get the housing allowance, cause I use the school provided apartment. While you likely can't send 1.5mil KRW on 2.1, you could do around 900k KRW on 2.1 without being excessively frugal.

Your numbers for getting to and from school are absurdly high. I spend around: 16k won per month getting to and from school (using the bus)

Here, I'll even give you a break down of my monthly spending:
* Groceries: around 100k KRW per week - this is buying chicken, almond milk, bread, vegetables, sometimes fruit (weekly) - about once a month - 2 months, I have to buy other stuff like: cleaning supplies, extra tooth brush heads, razer heads, etc. usually that bumps up the weekly spend to about 150 - 180k KRW (assuming I do this once a month, which is being very generous) that's 480k KRW for groceries for a month - and not being frugal.

* My internet is about 40k per month; Phone is 37k, water is 10k (though I pay for the year to my landlord in 1 go), power is only about 15k (except for during summer / winter then it's between 60 - 100k) so that's 102k KRW per month outside of summer/winter, or around 147 - 187k during summer winter (I'll use the max) so including groceries and all the other necessities that is now 667k per month.

* Every Saturday I go to a great restaurant - my meal is 23k, if I get drink, about 30k; I usually buy a meal to take home for dinner too. there is another 60 - 80k KRW (total now 747k KRW)

*bus to the city where I get groceries and visit the restaurant: 48k per month (total: 795K KRW)

* and then transport to and from school: 16k KRW (811k KRW total)

* I don't usually need much more than that, but lets say another 39k KRW for forgotten grocery items - which is very rare) 850k KRW

As you can see, I'm not living frugally, even if I was on 2.1m - after tax you'd usually have around 1.9m; With my monthly budget, I still have 1.05mil left. I'm from NZ, and the current rate is 1.050m KRW = $1310NZD (rounded down to the nearest dollar); the fact people are saying that they have to skip meals, and can't afford to buy clothes, etc; makes them come off as a huge cheapskate, or they are just grossly exaggerating their stories. You can afford to buy clothes and have fun during the month with 1.05m left over (if you are on 2.1m); if you're an American, the amount probably sucks, cause universities in the US are crazy expensive; but that really says more about the US systems than the pay here, IMO.

I'm not refuting that us foreign teachers could use a pay rise, since the price of things is slowly going up here, but I have proven that you don't need to live insanely frugally while living in Korea. You can earn enough to have fun, or slowly chip away at any debt back home. It's obviously worse for the people from the US cause their debt is higher, and their exchange rate seems to have sucked for a while.


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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2021, 02:53:00 pm »
My school actually got me a decent sized 3 bedroom apartment. It's an old building, but it's still a decent size. I bought my own gym equipment and even have one of my rooms as a gym room. And no, I don't eat ramen for every meal, in fact, I haven't had noodles in about 2 years. I buy chicken, beef, and lamb, and buy a mix of frozen vegetables and mixed vegetables. I buy bananas often outside of summer (in summer they just go bad too quickly). I use almond milk a lot too. And this is all stuff I'm doing now. Like I said, even buying meat, vegetables, fruits, and other stuff + necessary bills, I only end up spending around 800 - 900k KRW per month, and even at 2.1 you could easily save around half of what you earn after tax.
I'm at 3.05mil won per month in a public school (as I've been here about 5 years) and don't get the housing allowance, cause I use the school provided apartment. While you likely can't send 1.5mil KRW on 2.1, you could do around 900k KRW on 2.1 without being excessively frugal.

Your numbers for getting to and from school are absurdly high. I spend around: 16k won per month getting to and from school (using the bus)

Here, I'll even give you a break down of my monthly spending:
* Groceries: around 100k KRW per week - this is buying chicken, almond milk, bread, vegetables, sometimes fruit (weekly) - about once a month - 2 months, I have to buy other stuff like: cleaning supplies, extra tooth brush heads, razer heads, etc. usually that bumps up the weekly spend to about 150 - 180k KRW (assuming I do this once a month, which is being very generous) that's 480k KRW for groceries for a month - and not being frugal.

* My internet is about 40k per month; Phone is 37k, water is 10k (though I pay for the year to my landlord in 1 go), power is only about 15k (except for during summer / winter then it's between 60 - 100k) so that's 102k KRW per month outside of summer/winter, or around 147 - 187k during summer winter (I'll use the max) so including groceries and all the other necessities that is now 667k per month.

* Every Saturday I go to a great restaurant - my meal is 23k, if I get drink, about 30k; I usually buy a meal to take home for dinner too. there is another 60 - 80k KRW (total now 747k KRW)

*bus to the city where I get groceries and visit the restaurant: 48k per month (total: 795K KRW)

* and then transport to and from school: 16k KRW (811k KRW total)

* I don't usually need much more than that, but lets say another 39k KRW for forgotten grocery items - which is very rare) 850k KRW

As you can see, I'm not living frugally, even if I was on 2.1m - after tax you'd usually have around 1.9m; With my monthly budget, I still have 1.05mil left. I'm from NZ, and the current rate is 1.050m KRW = $1310NZD (rounded down to the nearest dollar); the fact people are saying that they have to skip meals, and can't afford to buy clothes, etc; makes them come off as a huge cheapskate, or they are just grossly exaggerating their stories. You can afford to buy clothes and have fun during the month with 1.05m left over (if you are on 2.1m); if you're an American, the amount probably sucks, cause universities in the US are crazy expensive; but that really says more about the US systems than the pay here, IMO.

I'm not refuting that us foreign teachers could use a pay rise, since the price of things is slowly going up here, but I have proven that you don't need to live insanely frugally while living in Korea. You can earn enough to have fun, or slowly chip away at any debt back home. It's obviously worse for the people from the US cause their debt is higher, and their exchange rate seems to have sucked for a while.

Well, obviously, some schools do get their teachers nice apartments.  Most just get a tiny one room.  I have a two bedroom apartment.  Older place that's renovated.  10 mil deposit and 500k a month.  Those rural winding bus routes can be done.  But tiresome.  I could save a bit on those.  But, I would think 16k a week not a month.  I remember paying 1 or 2 thousand won one way for those long bus rides 12 or 13 years ago.  I drive to cut the time down and for convenience.  I live more conveniently, I do admit.  But my salary is enough for me for now.  But I also see the price of used cars going up compared to when I bought mine and rents for nice and newer places high too.  Some are now asking for high deposits and no monthly rent.  If you can get one of those loans, so be it.  I haven't tried.  This is out in the provinces and not Seoul. 

As for student loans, NZ and Aus students have a different system where they don't pay out of country.  Older UK citizens grandfathered in like that now.  But new ones have to pay a small percentage based on Korean income.  But that is a false sense of security.  Once you go home you have to pay 10 or 20 per cent of your income till you're 65?  That is on top of other taxes and other high living costs you face there.  If your payment is small due to a small income you are not even paying the interest.  So, you will have to keep paying for life until retirement.  Those teachers who come here and think out of site out of mind will regret it later.  They should pay it off from here or China or where ever.  Who wants to pay an extra 10 to 20 per cent of their income when they go back paying all the other taxes and fees while also trying to raise a family.  I did talk one girl from NZ into paying hers off.  She did after several years now is leaving.  She is happy she did.  Good riddance to the government.  In the short term it helps you.  IN the long term it traps you if you party it up here and blow all your cash here.  But if you did pay 5 or 6 hundred or a million won a month on your loans from here, you'd reconsider whether 2.1 was a good salary after all.  (I'd recommend 800 to one million won a month paying on those.)
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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2021, 03:03:58 pm »
Sure thing, hangook.

What's this now?  My ears are ringing.  I have no sock account.  I just logged in a few minutes ago.  Was busy with immigration stuff today. 


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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2021, 04:36:40 pm »
Why do you even bother logging out and log back in with your sock, after you've been exposed?

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I was wondering when "use to" would appear in a HiddenInKorea post.



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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #90 on: July 26, 2021, 02:09:06 pm »
Chinas English industry would go down fast if they targeted ESL teachers which Chinese elites still want for their kids.

China unveiled a sweeping overhaul of its $100 billion education tech sector, banning companies that teach the school curriculum from making profits, raising capital or going public.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/china-bans-profit-school-tutoring-142959520.html

Among other things, they also ban the teaching of foreign curriculums, tighten scrutiny over the import of textbooks and forbid the hiring of foreign teachers outside of China -- a curb that could have severe consequences for startups like VIPKid that specialize in overseas tutors.


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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #91 on: July 26, 2021, 02:35:36 pm »
Thankfully most academies don't teach the school curriculum.  Korea often has it's own crackdowns on schools here, especially those fake international schools.  Most hogwans here don't teach the school curriculum and the same for there.  Still plenty of jobs on Daves and the Facebook groups.  This regulation won't affect most of the jobs we would be going for.  Also along with their public schools, lots of open jobs.  A few unscrupulous players would be shut down as well as online from outside China. 


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« Last Edit: July 26, 2021, 02:57:06 pm by hangook77 »


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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #93 on: July 26, 2021, 03:15:11 pm »
Though in my opinion, Dave's doesn't always have the best listings as the Facebook groups.  (So, I will repost these.)

These are some Facebook ESL job groups:

ESL English Teachers Jobs

Teaching Jobs in China

Teaching Jobs in Asia

ESL Teacher China

ESL Job in China and Taiwan

TeachChina

ShenzhenJobsForeign



If you like Vietnam instead:

English Teaching Jobs in Vietnam

English Teaching Jobs in Hanoi

English Teaching Jobs in Vietnam (The Original)

teaching English jobs and other jobs for foreigners in Vietnam




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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #95 on: July 26, 2021, 05:57:47 pm »
The new regulations will fcuk training centres (Chinese hagwons) and local private schools hard. Of course the owners will find loopholes and other ways to make sure they're alright, but the staff will lose out the most. I'm going to guesstimate the days of Ukrainians and Lithuanians being paraded as NETs are numbered...but so are the days of actual NETs being paid 10-15x the minimum wage to dance around the classroom.

International Schools don't seem to be hit by this...yet. But the ESL is about to take a huge kick in the balls. One of the aims of the new regulations is to bring ESL wages in line. 

What you're also not hearing is the spike in raids and deportations in recent weeks. If you're living/working here without your papers in order, this is as dangerous a time to be in as imaginable. They're picking people up from parties, bars, workplaces etc...but from what I'm hearing it's only targeted at those violating immigration rules.

So, if you're coming to China, make sure you're qualified enough to do subject teaching at an international school. Doesn't have to be a top tier school, there are plenty of second and 3rd tier schools that will hire you...a BA and TEFL will get you in, but it won't make you competitive.

Make sure you do your due diligence on any prospective employer and city you'll be living in. I can't state this enough.

Most importantly, make sure you have a backbone or are willing to grow one...everything in China is negotiable, and employers will happily let you keep shooting yourself in the foot until you get wise. Don't be afraid to ask and stand up for yourself and what you want...that is the minimum expectation of not only you, but any Chinese person.


Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #96 on: July 26, 2021, 08:54:16 pm »
Jlp supervisor for the nets put out a doozy of a response to ask that they not eliminate the housing allowance for those that own or jeonse. Basically she insisted she is helping us save money by reducing our taxes yet ignoring the fact of the reduction of compensation. True korean style!

Avoid jlp it will be the equivalent of a hagwon job very soon. Expect  more cuts in their favor.
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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #97 on: July 26, 2021, 09:19:20 pm »
China unveiled a sweeping overhaul of its $100 billion education tech sector, banning companies that teach the school curriculum from making profits, raising capital or going public.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/china-bans-profit-school-tutoring-142959520.html

Among other things, they also ban the teaching of foreign curriculums, tighten scrutiny over the import of textbooks and forbid the hiring of foreign teachers outside of China -- a curb that could have severe consequences for startups like VIPKid that specialize in overseas tutors.

Oh no, I hope they donít take down those overseas tutoring startups!
I know a few people who have been surviving through these thought times just by having a job with Vipkid or a similar company. Also quite a few retirees are making extra money this way too ( many qualified retired teachers). While I havenít personally worked for them, I always thought of these kinds online education companies as being quite innovative in addressing the supply and demand for ESL in a new way.


Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #98 on: July 26, 2021, 09:22:13 pm »
Quote from: waygo0k link=topic=122501.msg865764#
msg865764 date=1627293467
The new regulations will fcuk training centres (Chinese hagwons) and local private schools hard. Of course the owners will find loopholes and other ways to make sure they're alright, but the staff will lose out the most. I'm going to guesstimate the days of Ukrainians and Lithuanians being paraded as NETs are numbered...but so are the days of actual NETs being paid 10-15x the minimum wage to dance around the classroom.

International Schools don't seem to be hit by this...yet. But the ESL is about to take a huge kick in the balls. One of the aims of the new regulations is to bring ESL wages in line. 

What you're also not hearing is the spike in raids and deportations in recent weeks. If you're living/working here without your papers in order, this is as dangerous a time to be in as imaginable. They're picking people up from parties, bars, workplaces etc...but from what I'm hearing it's only targeted at those violating immigration rules.

So, if you're coming to China, make sure you're qualified enough to do subject teaching at an international school. Doesn't have to be a top tier school, there are plenty of second and 3rd tier schools that will hire you...a BA and TEFL will get you in, but it won't make you competitive.

Make sure you do your due diligence on any prospective employer and city you'll be living in. I can't state this enough.

Most importantly, make sure you have a backbone or are willing to grow one...everything in China is negotiable, and employers will happily let you keep shooting yourself in the foot until you get wise. Don't be afraid to ask and stand up for yourself and what you want...that is the minimum expectation of not only you, but any Chinese person.

Once the Native teachers loose the ability to make 10-15x the minimum wage, probably all China will have left are the Lithuanians and Ukrainians lining up for those teaching jobs.


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Re: For those hoping ESL salaries will increase
« Reply #99 on: July 26, 2021, 10:32:53 pm »
Oh no, I hope they donít take down those overseas tutoring startups!
I know a few people who have been surviving through these thought times just by having a job with Vipkid or a similar company. Also quite a few retirees are making extra money this way too ( many qualified retired teachers). While I havenít personally worked for them, I always thought of these kinds online education companies as being quite innovative in addressing the supply and demand for ESL in a new way.

That's exactly who they are going after. Companies like EF and VIPkids.

Once the Native teachers loose the ability to make 10-15x the minimum wage, probably all China will have left are the Lithuanians and Ukrainians lining up for those teaching jobs.

If they manage to make it into the country in the first place. University students from those countries, maybe...but from the way things are about to go, they'd be getting 2010 wages (10k rmb). Though this is all guesswork at this point.