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  • SPQR
  • Expert Waygook

    • 906

    • March 08, 2018, 07:04:54 pm
    • Sierra Leone
Is your hagwon open?
« on: July 09, 2021, 02:42:26 pm »
Schools will close. How about hagwons? My study room is till open.
Nobody has texted us to the contrary.


  • T.J.
  • Super Waygook

    • 264

    • June 09, 2011, 11:07:16 am
    • 서울 은평구 연신내
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2021, 03:09:14 pm »
Schools arenít technically closing but rather going to online classes from Wednesday until the start of summer break.

The only communication we received was that all hagwon employees should get a Covid test next week. That came from MoE and City Hall
"An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock."

-Will Rogers


  • leaponover
  • Expert Waygook

    • 780

    • March 05, 2012, 12:08:16 pm
    • Iksan, S. Korea
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2021, 03:14:43 pm »
Can we clarify if this is just a Seoul thing?  I haven't heard anything about this.


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7263

    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2021, 03:15:30 pm »
Gyeonggi is all online next week


  • SPQR
  • Expert Waygook

    • 906

    • March 08, 2018, 07:04:54 pm
    • Sierra Leone
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2021, 03:20:55 pm »
Gyeonggi is all online next week


Gyeonggi what? Specifics please.


  • Lazio
  • Expert Waygook

    • 674

    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2021, 06:32:53 pm »
Seoul, Gyeonggi, Incheon... to avoid further confusion, let's make clear what's what.
The capital area aka. 수도권 includes Seoul, Incheon and Gyeonggi-do.

So the the capital area aka. 수도권, will be under level 4 social distancing rules from Monday.

''Schools and educational facilities:
Classes will shift online starting July 14.
Private academies will be closed after 10 p.m., and can only allow one person per 8 square meters.''


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 6781

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2021, 11:06:21 am »
One person per eight square meters? Thatís one student per class.


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 2866

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2021, 08:03:50 pm »
One person per eight square meters? Thatís one student per class.

I think they're saying 8m2, not (8m)2.  That makes it a box 2.8 meters per side.


  • Lazio
  • Expert Waygook

    • 674

    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2021, 08:49:42 pm »
I think they're saying 8m2, not (8m)2.  That makes it a box 2.8 meters per side.

???
So what is 8m2 then?

8 square meters is exactly what it means: 8 square meters. This regulation was already used a couple of times when cases spiked.
I believe it's counted for the entire school, not just one classroom. So if there is a school with a total area of 160 square meters, 20 kids can be present at any given time. It doesn't matter if they are in one classroom or across several classrooms.
But it isn't really enforced/followed.


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 2866

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2021, 09:40:53 pm »
???
So what is 8m2 then?

8 square meters is exactly what it means: 8 square meters. This regulation was already used a couple of times when cases spiked.
I believe it's counted for the entire school, not just one classroom. So if there is a school with a total area of 160 square meters, 20 kids can be present at any given time. It doesn't matter if they are in one classroom or across several classrooms.
But it isn't really enforced/followed.

8 square meters means an area such that when the sides (taking a rectangle, for example) multiply together they make 8.  2.8m X 2.8 m = 8m2.

8 meters on a side would give 8m X 8m = 64m2.   

I was a math teacher for 20+ years.

https://sciencing.com/calculate-square-meters-room-7776820.html

https://grassfactory.co.za/calculating-an-area-in-square-meters/

https://www.scarsdaleschools.k12.ny.us/cms/lib/NY01001205/Centricity/Domain/1105/2014-11-19%20Meeting%20of%20Greenacres%20Building%20Committee%20Meeting%20Handout%203%20-%20Classroom%20Size%20Standards.pdf
« Last Edit: July 11, 2021, 09:49:38 pm by Mr C »


  • Lazio
  • Expert Waygook

    • 674

    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2021, 10:24:38 pm »
8 square meters means an area such that when the sides (taking a rectangle, for example) multiply together they make 8.  2.8m X 2.8 m = 8m2.

8 meters on a side would give 8m X 8m = 64m2.   

I was a math teacher for 20+ years.

https://sciencing.com/calculate-square-meters-room-7776820.html

https://grassfactory.co.za/calculating-an-area-in-square-meters/

https://www.scarsdaleschools.k12.ny.us/cms/lib/NY01001205/Centricity/Domain/1105/2014-11-19%20Meeting%20of%20Greenacres%20Building%20Committee%20Meeting%20Handout%203%20-%20Classroom%20Size%20Standards.pdf


It was fairly obvious from the get go that they mean 8 square meters and not 64 square meters. Hence, the quote said 8 square meters.
What had you confused is,  you are most likely used to public school classroom sizes and haven't seen many hagwon classrooms.
LI indicated that 8 square meters per student is rather small (when you consider a typical hagwon classroom size of somewhere between 15 and 20 square meters.)
You probably pictured a public school classroom and thought that LI must have meant 64 square meters when he mentioned 1 student/ class.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2021, 10:44:30 pm by Lazio »


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 2866

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2021, 10:53:49 pm »
It was fairly obvious from the get go that they mean 8 square meters and not 64 square meters. Hence, the quote said 8 square meters.
What had you confused is,  you are most likely used to public school classroom sizes and haven't seen many hagwon classrooms.
LI indicated that 8 square meters per student is rather small (when you consider a typical hagwon classroom size of somewhere between 12 and 20 square meters.)
You probably pictured a public school classroom and thought that LI must have meant 64 square meters when he mentioned 1 student/ class.

Sorry, but I haven't confused anything.  8m2 means only and exactly what I said. You definitely thought I had that wrong, yeah? (With a "so" and three "?")   

How many students would fit in a box 2.8m X 2.8m?  One student can easily fit in that size, right?  My apartment could hold 6-8 students at that spread, 2 more if I put one in the bathroom and one in the entryway.  That's a lot more than one.

Did you look at the links I provided?

« Last Edit: July 12, 2021, 06:15:46 am by Mr C »


  • D.L.Orean
  • Expert Waygook

    • 509

    • February 25, 2020, 09:34:41 am
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2021, 07:18:43 am »
I'm surprised an adult wouldn't understand the very simple concept of square meters/feet.

Hagwon classrooms are definitely big enough for more than 1 student. Classrooms aren't bigger than 2.8mx2.8m? Without restrictions, how many students are usually squeezed into 8m2?


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 6781

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2021, 08:05:38 am »
One teacher + one student = sixteen square meters needed. Twenty three square meters would still be not enough to add another student.

How big are hagwon classrooms? Some I saw were pretty small.

A square meter is think of a square, one meter by one meter?


  • Lazio
  • Expert Waygook

    • 674

    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2021, 08:16:57 am »
Sorry, but I haven't confused anything.  8m2 means only and exactly what I said. You definitely thought I had that wrong, yeah? (With a "so" and three "?")   

How many students would fit in a box 2.8m X 2.8m?  One student can easily fit in that size, right?  My apartment could hold 6-8 students at that spread, 2 more if I put one in the bathroom and one in the entryway.  That's a lot more than one.

Did you look at the links I provided?



Again, it was pretty clear from the start that the article I quoted meant 8 square meters. You then wrote that you think it means eight square meters and not 64 square meters. Only you thought about the latter version.
I couldn't have imagined how you, or anyone would even think it could mean 64sqm. That is why I wrote the ???.

It's so simple. No need to box anyone in, or put them in the bathroom or the entryway. Just divide the total floor space by eight. That's it.
Like LI wrote above, 8 square meters is pretty small when you consider hagwon classroom sizes. Although the quote said 1 person and not student but I believe teachers aren't counted into this. Still, a 23 square meter room would allow a teacher and no more than 2 students. That is a big room in a hagwon. I have seen plenty, smaller than that.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2021, 08:50:02 am by Lazio »


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 6781

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2021, 08:20:30 am »
A 23.9 square meter room would allow a teacher and no more than one student.

A 31.9 square meter room would allow a teacher and no more than two students.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 6781

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2021, 08:29:19 am »
A Goshiwon is a small room somewhere around three square meters that students will often live in for a number of months in order to focus on a test.

https://www.studyinkorea.go.kr/en/overseas_info/allnew_lifeinKorea.do

The cost ranges from 200,000 to 550,000KRW per month.
___________________ ________________
TL;DR- Some people live in rooms that are three square meters.


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 2866

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2021, 09:06:49 am »
Again, it was pretty clear from the start that the article I quoted meant 8 square meters. You then wrote that you think it means eight square meters and not 64 square meters. Only you thought about the latter version.
I couldn't have imagined how you, or anyone would even think it could mean 64sqm. That is why I wrote the ???.


So you anticipated what I was going to write, and pre-emptively put the ???

Because that came before further discussion of the meaning of squares.  I had only said that 8m2 means 2.8m X 2.8m and you clearly thought that was wrong.  So, ???


  • Lazio
  • Expert Waygook

    • 674

    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2021, 09:26:51 am »
So you anticipated what I was going to write, and pre-emptively put the ???

Because that came before further discussion of the meaning of squares.  I had only said that 8m2 means 2.8m X 2.8m and you clearly thought that was wrong.  So, ???

I didn't anticipate anything. I had no idea what you were thinking when you brought in 8m2 vs. (8m)2.
Also wasn't clear why you would think that 8 square meters/student is not much of a restriction.
Anyways, you seem to be doing better than many Korean families by living in a 70-80 square meter apartment by yourself. And your bathroom alone is 8 square meters! Must be pretty awesome.


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 2866

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is your hagwon open?
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2021, 09:43:19 am »
I didn't anticipate anything. I had no idea what you were thinking when you brought in 8m2 vs. (8m)2.
Also wasn't clear why you would think that 8 square meters/student is not much of a restriction.
Anyways, you seem to be doing better than many Korean families by living in a 70-80 square meter apartment by yourself. And your bathroom alone is 8 square meters! Must be pretty awesome.

Dude, you have not explained why 2.8X2.8m = 8m2 elicited this "??? So what is 8m2" response.

That is all I wrote, and you clearly did not understand what 8m2 is.