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  • JNM
  • The Legend

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    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2021, 11:57:13 pm »
[Really? I have read zero scientific studies of the efficacy of any of these all new "products". Inject them into your arteries at your will. I'll await some - heck - any, independent scientific review of the results.
How often to you read scientific studies?


2nd hit on DuckDuckGo

FoxNews, even!


https://www.foxnews.com/health/sinopharm-covid-19-vaccines-appear-safe-effective-study

Also see:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Sinopharm+covid&btnG=



  • Adel
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2021, 05:10:53 am »
Here's one that compares Pfizer and AstraZeneca against the Alpha variant from the British Medical Journal.  They've been publishing  peer reviewed medical evidence based research since 1840

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1088.full

And here's an early report  with what is known so far about the effectiveness of Pfizer and AstraZeneca against the Delta variant.

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the most recent PHE analysis of 14 019 delta cases (14 June) indicates that two doses of either vaccine are still highly effective against hospital admission: 96% for Pfizer-BioNTech and 92% for Oxford-AstraZeneca.4

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1513

That one is a little more concerning. 


« Last Edit: June 20, 2021, 05:13:02 am by Adel »


  • Adel
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2021, 05:59:47 am »
I received the first vaccine of az, should I mix it up and ask for pfizer or Moderna? If I do will my status be fully vaccinated or vaccinated with az and therefore equal to someone unvaccinated??  Serious question

It's early days but it's looking safe for 1st dose Astra & 2nd dose Pfizer.
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Interpretation: BNT162b2 given as a second dose in individuals prime vaccinated with ChAdOx1-S induced a robust immune response with an acceptable and manageable reactogenicity profile.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3854768

Don't have an answer for the status question though. If you have to, why not just get another two doses of Pfizer if available to satisfy the relevant authorities?
I'm just glad I don't have to deal with that kind of BS yet.


  • Lazio
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2021, 07:43:09 am »
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/skorea-mix-and-match-covid-19-vaccine-doses-760000-people-2021-06-18/

SEOUL, June 18 (Reuters) - Some 760,000 South Koreans who have received a first dose of AstraZeneca Plc's (AZN.L) COVID-19 vaccine will be offered Pfizer Inc's (PFE.N) vaccine as a second shot due to shipment delays by global vaccine sharing scheme COVAX, the government said.

From the same article: were scheduled to arrive by the end of June, which South Korea planned to use mainly as a second shot for around 760,000 health and frontline workers who had received their first dose in April.

Korea administered well over 10 million doses of AZ so far. Yet they mention 760.000 in the article which also suggest that it won't be available for everyone. If it was, it would create a rather chaotic situation in the vaccine rollout plan.

Also:
http://m.tbs.seoul.kr/efm/newsView.do?typ_800=N&idx_800=3439892&seq_800=20432469
The South Korean government says it will allow mixing of coronavirus vaccines starting in July, but only for certain groups.

And:
http://english.chosun.com/m/svc/article.html?contid=2021061800664
Some 760,000 caregivers, pharmacists, patients with chronic diseases and other public workers who have had their first AstraZeneca jab since mid-April will have to be given their second jab with Pfizer's vaccines due to a shortage of supplies.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2021, 08:10:36 am by Lazio »


  • Lazio
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2021, 07:52:18 am »
[Really? I have read zero scientific studies of the efficacy of any of these all new "products". Inject them into your arteries at your will. I'll await some - heck - any, independent scientific review of the results.

My aunt has a Phd in molecular biology and a 40 year career as a researcher. Her husband ditto.
While vaccine development is not their field, they understand the science behind it. They got vaccinated. I trust their judgement over anyone else.


  • VanIslander
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2021, 08:15:22 am »
Keep the faith.


  • Lazio
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2021, 08:56:42 am »
Keep the faith.

Also:
Keep one's job
Keep traveling
Keep living life like before
...


  • Adel
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2021, 11:20:34 am »
Because the American brands are only 95% effective. And that's on average. The fatter a person is, the less likely the vaccine is to work. Do they want to sit next to someone with a vaccine that is 70% effective? I guess not. Maybe they'd be afraid that person could spread COVID to them, COVID they could give to someone else.
I assume your not including the J&J vaccine when you referred to American brands here but aren't you falling into a logic trap in your analysis?
If you're 95% vaccinated against an infection wouldn't that protect you against an infection irrespective of another person's potential for being infected?
If your argument if that it's more dangerous for obese people because of the decreased level of efficacy shouldn't they also be discriminated against as, (according to this logic), they pose a threat in the same way that a person with an AZ vaccine does?
« Last Edit: June 20, 2021, 11:24:10 am by Adel »


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2021, 12:08:31 pm »
If you're 95% vaccinated against an infection wouldn't that protect you against an infection irrespective of another person's potential for being infected?

No. It matters the brand and whether the person had gotten both doses or just one. The more likely the person in close proximity to you has COVID, the more likely you are to get it, vaccinated or not. Vaccinated reduces the risk a lot, but not fully.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2021, 12:11:10 pm »
If your argument if that it's more dangerous for obese people because of the decreased level of efficacy shouldn't they also be discriminated against as, (according to this logic), they pose a threat in the same way that a person with an AZ vaccine does?

You and I both know that ainít gonna happen. Look out your window. Do you see pigs sprouting wings and hell freezing over?


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2021, 12:30:43 pm »
By the way, I donít agree with the Az discrimination, but am explaining how logically and statistically, Az vaccines do less to prevent the spread of COVID than some other brands.

But I donít think COVID is all that dangerous anyways, so not a big deal.

However, to those who are sh-tting their pants in fear, a slight increase in risk is a big deal. A huge deal. Thatís the reasoning behind it.


Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2021, 12:50:19 pm »
From the same article: were scheduled to arrive by the end of June, which South Korea planned to use mainly as a second shot for around 760,000 health and frontline workers who had received their first dose in April.

Korea administered well over 10 million doses of AZ so far. Yet they mention 760.000 in the article which also suggest that it won't be available for everyone. If it was, it would create a rather chaotic situation in the vaccine rollout plan.

Also:
http://m.tbs.seoul.kr/efm/newsView.do?typ_800=N&idx_800=3439892&seq_800=20432469
The South Korean government says it will allow mixing of coronavirus vaccines starting in July, but only for certain groups.

And:
http://english.chosun.com/m/svc/article.html?contid=2021061800664
Some 760,000 caregivers, pharmacists, patients with chronic diseases and other public workers who have had their first AstraZeneca jab since mid-April will have to be given their second jab with Pfizer's vaccines due to a shortage of supplies.

Umm oops.

No more posting after midnight and wine.


  • Adel
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2021, 01:34:35 pm »
By the way, I donít agree with the Az discrimination, but am explaining how logically and statistically, Az vaccines do less to prevent the spread of COVID than some other brands.

But I donít think COVID is all that dangerous anyways, so not a big deal.

However, to those who are sh-tting their pants in fear, a slight increase in risk is a big deal. A huge deal. Thatís the reasoning behind it.
Well at least we agree it's BS. I do admire your patriotism in attempting to rationalise and defend something you believe to be BS though!  :rolleyes:


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2021, 02:10:54 pm »
I see both sides of the argument.

Those who have gotten Az will be biased towards defending Az.

I havenít gotten any vaccine so I have no dog in this fight.


  • hangook77
  • The Legend

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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2021, 08:20:46 am »
I am on the fence whether to get one or not.  Still would like to see long term effects.  But, I also need to travel in 2022.  So, which vaccines will be available here in the fall? 

Also if we get a vaccine here, how do we prove that for the US and Canada?  Is there an English form we can get?  I assume the authorities in North America don't accept Korean?


  • Adel
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2021, 08:48:43 am »
I am on the fence whether to get one or not.  Still would like to see long term effects.  But, I also need to travel in 2022.  So, which vaccines will be available here in the fall? 

Also if we get a vaccine here, how do we prove that for the US and Canada?  Is there an English form we can get?  I assume the authorities in North America don't accept Korean?

Get with the program dude! It's not about whether you should get a vaccine but rather which one you should get. If you get the AZ vaccine, one of those currently available in Korea, you'll  substantially improve your chances of surviving a Covid infection but still be treated like a leper in parts of North America because it isn't FDA approved.


  • Kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2021, 09:35:54 am »
Also, I would be pretty amazed if they don't soon make being vaccinated a condition of our current employment.
I doubt we'll be given the luxury of choice about whether to vaccinate or not for much longer.


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2021, 09:39:26 am »
Bring on the vacc. Stick me, Daddy.


  • Kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2021, 09:45:51 am »
Talk about a thread-killer right there!  :lipsrsealed: :laugh:


  • D.L.Orean
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2021, 09:48:49 am »
I am on the fence whether to get one or not.  Still would like to see long term effects.  But, I also need to travel in 2022.  So, which vaccines will be available here in the fall? 

Also if we get a vaccine here, how do we prove that for the US and Canada?  Is there an English form we can get?  I assume the authorities in North America don't accept Korean?

I heard they only provide proof of vaccination in Korean. An attempt by the government to make other countries step up their Korean language interest.