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  • KimDuHan
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2021, 09:15:16 am »
I identify as a huperson can’t use human as the great Canadian leader monitors my posts and every Canadian post. All Canadians love our great leader!

Our great and glorious leader will rule for eternity under the sun of Quebec as Canada is just an ideology.


  • Liechtenstein
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2021, 09:27:15 am »
Well, that didn't take long.


  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2021, 10:55:30 am »
Nowadays because the crazies have taken over, you can identify as whatever you want.

Happy Teachers Day to New Orleans.


  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2021, 10:57:27 am »
Happy Teachers Day to New Orleans.


  • Liechtenstein
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1956

    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2021, 11:02:48 am »
Okay, I thought that was going to be a serious thing. Not. It was silly.


  • chimp
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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2021, 12:49:16 pm »
I identify as dumb.
oo oo ahh ahh


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2021, 01:02:54 pm »
Despite what some may think or spout. My initial question was asked from the heart. What separates us? Can we decide? It's clear that we can decide our sex and the law seems to back that up. At least in some countries. Why not race? We all have African DNA. All of us. So why not?

This was interesting. A snippet I found intriguing which seems to back up my argument. There are S. Africans here. What do you think?

In the post-apartheid era, the Constitution of South Africa has declared the country to be a "Non-racial democracy". In an effort to redress past injustices, the ANC government has introduced laws in support of affirmative action policies for Blacks; under these they define "Black" people to include "Africans", "Coloureds" and "Asians".

In 2008, the High Court in South Africa ruled that Chinese South Africans who were residents during the apartheid era (and their descendants) are to be reclassified as "Black people,"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

My only other question is, is it possible to have a discussion here without the children starting tangential arguments or childish attacks?
That's a political distinction based on South Africa's history. It doesn't support your proposal.


  • Liechtenstein
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1956

    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2021, 04:56:47 pm »
I believe it does. As opposed to a genetic distinction, as you seem to be proposing, wherein people who were born male, choose to be an entirely new gender and actually are???


Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2021, 07:16:47 pm »
https://www.google.co.kr/amp/s/www.sportskeeda.com/amp/pop-culture/some-people-identify-korean-instagram-influencer-oli-london-receives-severe-backlash-identifying-non-binary-korean

Some people identify as Korean": Instagram influencer Oli London receives severe backlash for identifying as 'non-binary Korean'


Hilarious 😂
Blocked users; your mom


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2021, 10:22:49 pm »
I identify as dumb.

We all identify you as dumb.


Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2021, 09:14:05 am »
I wonder how ignorant as phuck black Americans who spout this nonsense identify as (widespread problem)?

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/kevin-love-us-olympic-team-tokenism-espn-jalen-rose
I'm against tokenism. Kevin Love sucks these days and he was taking a spot from a better player. It was an obvious tokenism-affirmative action diversity move.

I say take the best players, regardless of color.


  • JNM
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  • Liechtenstein
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1956

    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
    • NE Hemisphere
Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2021, 09:43:34 am »
My problem with tokenism is that it seems to run 1 way.

About 13% of the population of the USA identifies as black, about 73% as white.

A vocal group says the management roles in the NBA and NFL are under-represented by blacks. That's true. More blacks should be hired. That's fine.

But this begs the flip side. The players on the field and court are equally under-represented. Where are all the whites, Asians and Hispanics? Who is talking about this?

The best, most qualified get the job. What's wrong with that?



  • Mr C
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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2021, 10:50:22 am »
My problem with tokenism is that it seems to run 1 way.

About 13% of the population of the USA identifies as black, about 73% as white.

A vocal group says the management roles in the NBA and NFL are under-represented by blacks. That's true. More blacks should be hired. That's fine.

But this begs the flip side. The players on the field and court are equally under-represented. Where are all the whites, Asians and Hispanics? Who is talking about this?

The best, most qualified get the job. What's wrong with that?



There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  Except that study after study has shown that it isn't true.  All other things being equal, and at times even less equal, the job always goes to the white guy, unless there is a token quota to fill.


  • njarlson
  • Adventurer

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    • March 02, 2021, 07:33:45 am
    • South Korea
Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2021, 09:56:30 am »
Despite what some may think or spout. My initial question was asked from the heart. What separates us? Can we decide? It's clear that we can decide our sex and the law seems to back that up. At least in some countries. Why not race? We all have African DNA. All of us. So why not?

I recommend you give this article a little skim to understand the difference between "gender identity" and "racial identity": http://bostonreview.net/race-philosophy-religion-gender-sexuality/robin-dembroff-dee-payton-why-we-shouldnt-compare
But here's an important snippet if you don't want to read it all:

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In the winter of 2006, the Canadian government recognized the damage inflicted by the IRS and established a $1.9 billion compensation package for all former IRS students...Importan tly, it is not enough to simply identify as someone who was enrolled in the IRS—in order for someone to claim reparations from the government through the IRSSA, that person must have been enrolled in the Canadian Indian residential school system. We hope you share our intuition that this is the right classification rule: self-identification should not be sufficient for claiming these reparations, because the goal of the program is to concretely assist those who were harmed by a historical injustice.
Now return to race. Being Black in the United States is similar to being a person who qualifies for IRSSA reparations in at least one important respect: being Black isn’t simply a matter of internal identification; it is also a matter of how your community and ancestors have been treated by other people, institutions, and governments. Given this, we think that race classification should (continue to) track—as accurately as possible—intergenerationally inherited inequalities.
Central to this argument, then, is the observation that in the case of Blackness, inequality accumulates intergenerationally . For example, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Black women born in the United States are three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related complications than white women...In addition to gaps in health outcomes, wealth gaps between Black and white households also widen intergenerationally ...While many white families accumulate wealth across generations, Black families often have little to no wealth for intrafamily transfer. This gap is not decreasing: in fact, gaps in median wealth (wealth at the middle of a distribution) between Black and white households are larger today than thirty years ago.
Notice that this argument does not apply in the case of gender and gender inequality. Gender inequality, unlike racial inequality, does not primarily accumulate intergenerationally, if only for the obvious reason that the vast majority of households are multi-gendered. While parents often are responsible for ingraining patriarchal ideas and rigid gender norms in their children (it is extremely difficult to avoid!), this is not a “passing down” of socioeconomic inequality itself but, rather, of a socialization that perpetuates gender inequality.

Simply put, race/ethnicity is layered and complicated and honestly, I think that you know that what it means to be black runs a lot deeper than just "having African DNA", which is why you chose to make this comparison with the arguably more controversial question of "can I choose to be black" instead of something like "can I choose to be Italian". I can't explain it better than this article so I suggest you read it if you do really want to learn more on the topic.

But getting away from race for a moment and focusing on your claim that people are "choosing" their sex, it's important to note that "gender identity" and "sex" are different things that for most people align, but for some, do not (but even so, "sex" is also not as binary as many people make it out to be (these discussions often fail to include individuals who are intersex and whose chromosomes do not reflect how their sex organs developed)). In most cases, although you think that people are just deciding willy-nilly what they want to be that day, most people actually aren't just choosing. I suppose the simple answer to if you could just "choose" to be a different gender is... yes, technically. But if, say for instance, you are a cisgender man and you suddenly decided one day that you wanted to be a woman for whatever reason, despite never really identifying or feeling like you were a woman, you probably wouldn't be very happy or comfortable dressing in traditionally female clothes or being referred to with female pronouns. Or maybe you would, in which case, you do you. It's not like it's hurting anyone, after all. But that uncomfortable feeling is how transgender people feel. A transgender woman feels just as uncomfortable wearing stereotypically male clothes, being referred to with male pronouns, being forced to use the men's restroom, etc. as I would feel being forced to do all of that as a cisgender woman. But that's an oversimplification of the topic that doesn't even begin to address things like body dysmorphia and the affect it can have on your mental health, nor the discrimination and prejudice transgender people deal with. And when someone decides to transition or to receive reassignment surgeries so that their "sex" aligns with their "gender", they need to go through a mental health evaluation to determine that the person is fully ready and mentally prepared to undergo the surgery, which tells you that gender identity and the process of actually transitioning is a lot more complicated than just "deciding" to be a different gender. And it's not like transgender or gender identification beyond just "male" and "female" is a new thing, as there are many cultures around the world that traditionally have transgender, gender-fluid, and third gender identities.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2021, 12:43:33 pm by njarlson »


Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2021, 12:49:51 pm »
My problem with tokenism is that it seems to run 1 way.

About 13% of the population of the USA identifies as black, about 73% as white.

A vocal group says the management roles in the NBA and NFL are under-represented by blacks. That's true. More blacks should be hired. That's fine.

But this begs the flip side. The players on the field and court are equally under-represented. Where are all the whites, Asians and Hispanics? Who is talking about this?

The best, most qualified get the job. What's wrong with that?
The NBA has always tried to "white up" things for marketing purposes. You really think Chris Mullin and Christian Laettner deserved to be on the Dream Team?

NBA should have stepped in and told Jordan to settle his beef with Zeke and let him on the team instead of one of those two bums.


  • Liechtenstein
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1956

    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2021, 04:01:38 pm »
blah blah blah

I've decided I don't want to be African. I want to be Martian. You may call me Marty. I also want horns like an ibex and a tail like a Golden Retriever.


Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2021, 04:52:31 pm »
blah blah blah

I've decided I don't want to be African. I want to be Martian. You may call me Marty. I also want horns like an ibex and a tail like a Golden Retriever.
You know, the "I identify as" thing is out of control, but the response to that isn't to be an equal-level jerk in the other direction.


  • Kyndo
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Re: I am black. Is this legit?
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2021, 08:28:33 am »
blah blah blah

I've decided I don't want to be African. I want to be Martian. You may call me Marty. I also want horns like an ibex and a tail like a Golden Retriever.
You're in luck!
Researchers have concluded that it is physiologically possible to graft antlers to human bone. They will even molt, shed, and regrow every year!
[source]
The tail like a golden retriever might be more difficult, although given enough research grants, I'm sure science can come through for you in a couple of years.
However, if you're the patient sort, it may actually be easier for you to pass these traits on to your offspring: humans have a relatively long prenatal tail -- complete with 10 to 12 tail vertebrae! - during their second month of embryonic development. Certain drug (only, uh, moderately carginogenic/mutagenic/inimical to human life) can suppress the process of reabsorption and bless your kiddos with sorta functional tails! The antlers will need to be grafted on later though, sorry.