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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2021, 09:15:56 am »


  • Savant
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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2021, 10:02:25 am »
He majored in business.

Other people's business.


Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2021, 10:19:41 am »
Other people's business.

LMAO Savant!!!!! :D


  • hangook77
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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2021, 10:46:37 am »
hangook, im genuinely curious, what did you study in university? i'm sure it wasn't economics

I took business.  Supply and Demand are easy enough concepts though.  When there is a high demand and not enough folks to meet the demand wages and work conditions improve.  If some employers don't meet the required conditions, many or most of the employees leave and go elsewhere because someone else is trying to hire them (with incentives).  A few academies here are getting in on this but also nearby countries are stepping up their competition game too.  Once corona is done we shall see what happens in the next couple of years. 

Ten years ago after the Great Recession there was too much supply of teachers compared to the demand.  So, employers attitudes changed and they started chipping away at perks.  No other country had risen up to challenge yet.  Though many GEPIK and SMOE teachers that were dropped in 2009 and 2010 (and replaced with young attractive North American teachers) went over to China for some easy gigs.  However, the wages were not quite yet at a great point.  I did start hearing around 2012 or 2013 of some larger chain schools like Disney and some others coming close to Korea though you had to still pay your flight and housing.  (Nowadays paid flight and housing is more common there.)  So, Korea was still the best gig in town outside of the Middle East at that time. 

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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2021, 12:04:37 pm »
I took business.  Supply and Demand are easy enough concepts though. 

That's the most astonishing thing I've read ever on this site.  The concept of supply and demand has been simplified and over explained to you on this site countless times, yet you still can't grasp that it is behind the fact wages haven't increased much in the last ten years.  When supply and demand is brought up, you generally accuse the person of being a recruiter, hakwan owner or someone not willing to stand up for themselves.  You discard supply and demand outright as the cause for lower wages.  You're on the record here doing that countless times.  It's long been established that you don't remotely get the concept of supply and demand. 

Man, you need to stop paying off that monstrous debt you incurred from university.  They ripped you off. 


Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #65 on: June 17, 2021, 12:48:44 pm »
Starcraft.
"What did you learn in college?"
"Build orders"
"Ahh...architecture, engineering, business, and construction"
"Uh....no."
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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #66 on: June 17, 2021, 12:56:20 pm »
>send probe
>pylon
>forge
>pylon
>cannon, cannon, cannon GG

probes now demand 100 minerals and threaten to move to china

i switch to zerg
more gg more skill


Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #67 on: June 17, 2021, 01:02:47 pm »
Hangook77 is the ghost of this board. Demands a ton of resources, claims he can blow everything up, always gets found out, never comes through.
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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #68 on: June 17, 2021, 01:08:12 pm »
That's the most astonishing thing I've read ever on this site.  The concept of supply and demand has been simplified and over explained to you on this site countless times, yet you still can't grasp that it is behind the fact wages haven't increased much in the last ten years.  When supply and demand is brought up, you generally accuse the person of being a recruiter, hakwan owner or someone not willing to stand up for themselves.  You discard supply and demand outright as the cause for lower wages.  You're on the record here doing that countless times.  It's long been established that you don't remotely get the concept of supply and demand. 

Man, you need to stop paying off that monstrous debt you incurred from university.  They ripped you off. 

Yes, that's why the Great Recession put a cork in Korea's industry.  There were no other high paying alternatives except for the Middle East with different qualifications.  It's why in 2012, 2014, and 2016, when folks asked for a raise and complained I said nothing.  But most of those kids left and went home or elsewhere.  The last 2 to 3 years and now even more so that China and to a lesser extent Vietnam have risen up to compete.  If Korea doesn;t compete with them and their higher wages or at least savings potential, then in the next couple of years Korea will lose teachers.  Numbers have already gone down.  Supply of teachers too low and demand in Korea still reasonably high.  Moms still want English for their kids.  Understand the environment around you.  If you can't understand it or refuse to, then I can't help you. 


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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #69 on: June 17, 2021, 01:08:55 pm »
Hangook77 is the ghost of this board. Demands a ton of resources, claims he can blow everything up, always gets found out, never comes through.
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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2021, 01:09:23 pm »
Hangook77 is the ghost of this board. Demands a ton of resources, claims he can blow everything up, always gets found out, never comes through.

Whatever yer smokin' sunny boy, pass it over....


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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #71 on: June 17, 2021, 01:10:29 pm »
>send probe
>pylon
>forge
>pylon
>cannon, cannon, cannon GG

probes now demand 100 minerals and threaten to move to china

i switch to zerg

If you hate probing, stay out of area 51. 


Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #72 on: June 17, 2021, 01:14:16 pm »
If you hate probing, stay out of area 51. 
Good one
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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #73 on: June 17, 2021, 01:20:55 pm »


  • OnNut81
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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #74 on: June 17, 2021, 01:25:49 pm »
Understand the environment around you.  If you can't understand it or refuse to, then I can't help you. 

You seem to live in your own private reality.  Covid has obviously had a huge affect on people coming here, but it is an aberration.  If you wouldn't mind (but I know you will) could you then please explain how the abundance of teacher's accepting the 2.1 jobs  out there is something other than a meet up of supply and demand?  You know, the industry destroying issue you've been relentlessly working into every thread you post on?  The demand has been there for these 2.1 jobs from new arrivals so schools haven't been forced to raise the wages.  Do you truly not understand that, or are you just being stubborn and difficult like you are with the "use to" issue?  As someone who apparently majored in business you seem to not grasp that a sound principle of business is to not pay more than you have to.  Schools aren't just going to pay you more because you're still here. You've hit the ceiling.  If you want more go out and make it.  Stop complaining that you are in an industry that doesn't pay the big bucks and has a pay scale with a quickly reachable ceiling.  All your empty threats about going to China are not going to result in your school paying you more.  They just expect you to move on.  You have to face that reality and stop the useless whining on here.  That's all it is from you now.  You can't be taken seriously. 


  • hangook77
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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #75 on: June 17, 2021, 02:14:04 pm »
If you wouldn't mind could you then please explain how the abundance of teacher's accepting the 2.1 jobs  out there is something other than a meet up of supply and demand? 

Ignorance and not knowing what they are worth.  The reality is if lots of other employers are paying 3 to 5 million won a month, then 2.1 million won't attract a whole lot of people long term.  It seems you are unable to grasp it.  Yet you ask me over and over again.  I'd say out of the 5 or so trolls on this site, you get the most offended and triggered if someone points out something better or greater alternatives.  Not sure what psychological issue it is.  What is it about pointing out alternatives that gets you so triggered and riled up?  I mean honstly if you want to work for less, do so.  What do I care?  But why do you feel the need to troll and argue repeatedly?  Is there something wrong?  Did I knock you out of your comfort zone or something?  I mean honestly, it's not like I ever PMed you telling you to take other jobs?  Geeze, get over yourself, mac!


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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #76 on: June 17, 2021, 02:14:52 pm »
I need saving from up above.  Maybe he got probed too. 


Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #77 on: June 17, 2021, 02:56:00 pm »
Yes, that's why the Great Recession put a cork in Korea's industry.  There were no other high paying alternatives except for the Middle East with different qualifications.  It's why in 2012, 2014, and 2016, when folks asked for a raise and complained I said nothing.  But most of those kids left and went home or elsewhere.  The last 2 to 3 years and now even more so that China and to a lesser extent Vietnam have risen up to compete.  If Korea doesn;t compete with them and their higher wages or at least savings potential, then in the next couple of years Korea will lose teachers.  Numbers have already gone down.  Supply of teachers too low and demand in Korea still reasonably high.  Moms still want English for their kids.  Understand the environment around you.  If you can't understand it or refuse to, then I can't help you. 

I'm confident that if you took all the time and effort you've spent bitching about more money for position requiring an entry level bachelors degree over 15 damn years, you'd have a damn PHD by now and would be earning big bucks at some cushy university gig.

I arrived in 2014 and I, like many of us, spent the first year or two blowing money like a fool (no my parents weren't rich, I had expensive hobbies and liked travelling). It took 2yrs and a good woman by my side to get my head straight and think smarter with my money. 2yrs and I consider that long. After 15yrs it's not Korea's fault that you STILL haven't got your financial sh*t together and you studied business?!

The reason you keep getting renewed is that you're a predictable element in the education system. There's value in being predictable and there's some value to you, but not so much that you can't be easily replaced if you become anything more than mildly annoying to your school and/or POE.

If you're not willing to be at peace with this arrangement then improving your qualifications is the next logical step.

With better qualifications, you can demand more money.
Without qualifications, you can beg for more money.

It is only the most miserable underachievers that find themselves trapped by their inability to accept responsibility for their own poor choices and spend all day criticising/blaming others.


  • OnNut81
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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #78 on: June 17, 2021, 03:12:04 pm »
Ignorance and not knowing what they are worth.  The reality is if lots of other employers are paying 3 to 5 million won a month, then 2.1 million won't attract a whole lot of people long term.  It seems you are unable to grasp it.  Yet you ask me over and over again.  I'd say out of the 5 or so trolls on this site, you get the most offended and triggered if someone points out something better or greater alternatives.  Not sure what psychological issue it is.  What is it about pointing out alternatives that gets you so triggered and riled up?  I mean honstly if you want to work for less, do so.  What do I care?  But why do you feel the need to troll and argue repeatedly?  Is there something wrong?  Did I knock you out of your comfort zone or something?  I mean honestly, it's not like I ever PMed you telling you to take other jobs?  Geeze, get over yourself, mac!

I love how when you get triggered your default mode is to start calling me triggered.  My response was measured and on point.  Your response is a typical rambling tirade that says nothing and just repeats itself.  When we are talking about jobs being able to pay 2.1 we are not talking about jobs in China.  There are not lots of jobs paying ESL instructors 5 million won a month in Korea. Are you actually being serious when you refer to "lots" of jobs that pay that?  Because if that were true, people would be seeing all those high paying job offers and obviously would not go with a 2.1 starting wage. There are people that want to come to Korea.  In Korea, the supply and demand mechanism is keeping wages low.  It IS that simple.  And should be simple to understand.  You can't seem to grasp that there are people who are looking to come to Korea specifically, and as adults, must deal with the realities of the local job market. Why do you get triggered when I try to help by explaining these issues that confound you?  A thank you would be nice. 

Now, you don't come across as the brightest bulb in the bunch, but even you can't think that by constantly regurgitating the same message you're diverting people away from Korea and as a result are going to drive up your value here.  Or do you?  I mean it's clear you don't really want to leave. 


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Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
« Reply #79 on: June 17, 2021, 03:24:34 pm »
Now, you don't come across as the brightest bulb in the bunch, but even you can't think that by constantly regurgitating the same message you're diverting people away from Korea and as a result are going to drive up your value here.  Or do you?  I mean it's clear you don't really want to leave. 

Any Kitchen Nightmares fans here?

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