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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #280 on: July 13, 2021, 09:42:45 am »
I'm not saying they are terrible, but apple is typically designed with people unfamiliar to technology.
They tend to be more expensive than other quality brands at a similar level. and they tend to charge you a lot if you need to get them fixed, cause you typically have to use an apple shop.
I typically try to avoid apple as much as possible because you pay extra for the brand with no real upside. :p

Oh that's true, you just have to be very selective with what you're buying. They pump out a lot of overpriced crap, particularly the newer stuff, and certain features seem so oversimplified and automated that it ends up being frustrating for someone who knows what they're doing I doesn't want to rely on the Apple approach but wants their own way of doing things.

I only took my MacBook Pro for repairs once and that was to replace the screen (staingate) from a manufacture defect so I didn't pay a single won.

I replaced my battery every few years, and upgraded my SSD with a 3rd party guy (Korean MacPC guys).


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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #281 on: July 13, 2021, 11:23:08 am »
America hid data, silenced scientists, ran state/corporate fake news on masks not working, and refused to allow investigations into their obviously corrupt affairs. But China is being fake? ㅎㅎㅎ


So, if America did those things, does that somehow mean China couldn't also do those things? 


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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #282 on: July 13, 2021, 11:28:47 am »
Why would there be just one company? In free market democratic capitalism the cream of the crop rises to the top. Consumers vote with their dollars.

IPhones rock!

Apple: first smart phone.

Good invention; Iím using one now.

Apple first smart phone?  It wasn't an iphone that Barack Obama wanted to bring into office as the first president that had a smart phone.  It was a Blackberry.  Are you not familiar with BBMs or the term Crackberry?  R.I.M.  didn't evolve like they should've, but Blackberry is considered the first smart phone in this era.  I also considered our new phone with Call Display and Call Waiting a smart phone back in the eighties.  Revolutionary. 


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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #283 on: July 13, 2021, 11:43:39 am »
Apple first smart phone?  It wasn't an iphone that Barack Obama wanted to bring into office as the first president that had a smart phone.  It was a Blackberry.  Are you not familiar with BBMs or the term Crackberry?  R.I.M.  didn't evolve like they should've, but Blackberry is considered the first smart phone in this era.  I also considered our new phone with Call Display and Call Waiting a smart phone back in the eighties.  Revolutionary. 

Shucks, I thought it was pretty smart that you could press them little buttons instead of spinning the dialer around and around!

But the dialer was way smarter than when I'd pick up the Ameche and hafta maybe wake up Ethel at the exchange, or interrupt her dinner, to make a call.


Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #284 on: July 13, 2021, 12:05:00 pm »
I thought things became smart when we didn't have to read out "stop" every 3-5 words.

Oh yeah? Well I think things became smart when we didn't have to worry about a hawk intercepting and eating our message.

Oh yeah? Well I think things became smart when we didn't have to worry about rain putting out our smoke signal.
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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #285 on: July 13, 2021, 12:52:37 pm »
Oh yeah? Well I think things became smart when we didn't have to worry about inventing fire every time we banged the signal rocks together!


Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #286 on: July 15, 2021, 07:38:54 am »
So, if America did those things, does that somehow mean China couldn't also do those things?

Itís psychological projection by the people who did do those things.

Obviously China contained the virus and the United States didnít. Itís childish nationalism (the topic), and petty English argument culture, to keep denying reality. Instead learn why you failed.


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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #287 on: July 15, 2021, 07:59:33 am »
i bet you get your panties in a twist if someone says CCP instead of CPC, don't you? i mean sheeeeit talk about nationalism in children... i could give a shit if you called the USA the "united american states" but man you call the CPC the CCP and chinese tankies lose their minds
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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #288 on: July 15, 2021, 08:07:10 am »
i bet you get your panties in a twist if someone says CCP instead of CPC, don't you? i mean sheeeeit talk about nationalism in children... i could give a shit if you called the USA the "united american states" but man you call the CPC the CCP and chinese tankies lose their minds

He's a troll, he thrives on this, ignore him.


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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #289 on: July 15, 2021, 01:10:14 pm »
The CCP/CPC thing is about deriding morons. You never hear anyone drone on about the "CCP" without them expressing tedious blowhard Cold Warrior sentiments. It's mocked as dumb because dumb people come out with it, alongside "socialism for the rich", and "fiat money"

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What I'm saying is that it's a marker of low-to-middling intelligence. So I think "why not mock these people?"

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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #290 on: July 15, 2021, 01:25:47 pm »
The CCP/CPC thing is about deriding morons. You never hear anyone drone on about the "CCP" without them expressing tedious blowhard Cold Warrior sentiments. It's mocked as dumb because dumb people come out with it, alongside "socialism for the rich", and "fiat money"

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What I'm saying is that it's a marker of low-to-middling intelligence. So I think "why not mock these people?"

That "edit" doesn't help at all.
I still have no clue what you're talking about.


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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #291 on: July 15, 2021, 01:35:52 pm »
Obviously China contained the virus and the United States didnít.

Yeah they sure did, that is why the whole world is infected.

I can't believe a supposedly educated person could make such a stupid statement.  :huh: :huh:
There is no known medical cure for stupidity!


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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #292 on: July 15, 2021, 02:36:56 pm »
That "edit" doesn't help at all.
I still have no clue what you're talking about.

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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #293 on: July 15, 2021, 03:00:04 pm »
Obviously China contained the virus and the United States didnít.

Yeah they sure did, that is why the whole world is infected.

I can't believe a supposedly educated person could make such a stupid statement.  :huh: :huh:

Well it's not completely off the mark. With the exception of the current outbreak in Sydney, the previous outbreaks that landed in Australia  in March last year originated in the United States and Europe . Our borders to China closed in Jan 2020. Remember the difference between a pandemic and epidemic requires spread from many different countries not just one.
You can bitch as much as you like about its origins in China, but what matters is detecting and halting the spread once it leaves its source. One cannot deny it got out of control outside of China as well.
I imagine this will upset a lot of people that post here because of their sense of patriotism blinds them to these scientific facts. Our contact tracing is pretty good in Australia. This isn't idle speculation.
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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #294 on: July 15, 2021, 03:10:41 pm »
Well it's not completely off the mark. With the exception of the current outbreak in Sydney, the previous outbreaks that landed in Australia  in March last year originated in the United States and Europe . Our borders to China closed in Jan 2020. Remember the difference between a pandemic and epidemic requires spread from many different countries not just one.
You can bitch as much as you like about its origins in China, but what matters is detecting and halting the spread once it leaves its source. One cannot deny it got out of control outside of China as well.
I imagine this will upset a lot of people that post here because of their sense of patriotism blinds them to these scientific facts.

Countries that are part of the WHO are meant to alert the WHO as soon as a potential pandemic might occur. Not only did China not do this, but they did everything in their power to cover it up.
The WHO was put in place to deal with a pandemic, yet when one arrived, we all learned that it was so corrupted by China that they were completely useless.
Countries were left scrambling with the international lines of defence against a pandemic rendered useless by China.

No patriotism, no emotion, just fact, the CCP is 100% responsible for the state of affairs we find ourselves in.


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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #295 on: July 15, 2021, 03:11:53 pm »
Countries that are part of the WHO are meant to alert the WHO as soon as a potential pandemic might occur. Not only did China not do this, but they did everything in their power to cover it up.
The WHO was put in place to deal with a pandemic, yet when one arrived, we all learned that it was so corrupted by China that they were completely useless.
Countries were left scrambling with the international lines of defence against a pandemic rendered useless by China.

No patriotism, no emotion, just fact, the CCP is 100% responsible for the state of affairs we find ourselves in.

Is China responsible for its spread in the United States?
Can China mandate lock downs and social distancing measures to contain its spread in the US?
Bitching about China does nothing to protect us against the next one.

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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #296 on: July 15, 2021, 03:36:58 pm »
Correct.

Loads of coronaviruses live in bats.

Itís only a matter of time until another coronavirus infects humans.

What can we do to prepare?

There are other examples of zoonotic type diseases. This isn't the first and won't be the last. 

Listening to scientists and de-politicising the event would help. Developing an effective rapid detection systems is only part of the battle for systems of governance that won't act on the available scientific information.   

This subject has been part of our curriculum since I left Korea nearly ten years ago. There is plenty of research on the topic out there.  We encourage our students to follow the research for themselves.
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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #297 on: July 15, 2021, 04:07:37 pm »
Tailgate parties at NFL games were often better than the game itself and almost always more fun.


Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #298 on: July 15, 2021, 04:24:43 pm »
Tailgate parties at NFL games were often better than the game itself and almost always more fun.
Usually most non-rivalry/non-playoff or title chase games in league sports are glorified excuses to drink with the odd chance you might see a great play or goal or something. Often one-sided blowouts or the game not having much meaning for one team or the other.

And that's okay! Tailgating/getting sloshed in the stands can be fun. And if you get lucky, you see a no-hitter or a wonder goal or for some reason the two teams get into a dustup.
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Re: Nationalism in children
« Reply #299 on: July 15, 2021, 05:51:19 pm »
"Listening to scientists" is such an empty phrase. The only people who think that phrase has any meaning are people who have no idea how decisions are made in large, complex organizations.

You get a bunch of different scientists who may or may not be the best in their field, who quite likely are there due to political connections, and with many issues (though not all) there is significant disagreement amongst reputable scientists within their discipline. This is before the fact that other scientists (or even non-scientists) from other disciplines may or may not have something to contribute to the decision-making process, which may in fact supersede the scientific considerations or actually disprove them.

This is before you get to the practical decision-making process which would involve some sort of meeting, often with various scientists presenting various proposals that they can't disagree, often with them disagreeing with each other, and with other scientists telling the decision-maker that they're ignoring things that their scientific discipline has taken into account.

And that's before you get the fact that often these views are selected and railroaded to the decision-maker by the department making the relevant decision. The scientists selected are the ones that agree with whatever faction in the department is pushing fora certain course of action.

Basically anyone who says "Listen to the scientists" like it's a serious thing has zero clue of how most policy decisions are made and their true nature. Yes, there are exceptions, and it's not wholly uncommon for scientists to be wrongly ignored, but it's not that simple either.
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