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  • Kyndo
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Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« on: June 02, 2021, 07:34:45 am »
Recently, the US placed another rover on Mars, this time accompanied by a small copter drone that would do some proof-of-concept tests regarding self-directed, powered flight on Mars.
China also recently landed a Mars rover.
Some pretty cool stuff!
https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/

While the articles are pretty neat-o, the comment sections on most of these articles are a complete ****-show. Nearly half of the hundreds of comments are all crap about how it's all fake, the earth is flat, etc etc etc. Your basic troll fest, except that, sadly, *many* of those commenters truly seem to believe what they're arguing.
   Maybe this is par for the FB course, but I cant help feeling discouraged by the amount of deliberate, willful ignorance on display on so many science-oriented articles that I run across.

   Is this just an artifact of the kind of people who read stuff on FB, or do you guys think that this is a real reflection on the direction modern society is heading towards?
   If the latter, what can be done to stem this tide, either as an individual or as a society?
   Is this kind of thing common in all western countries, or is it more pronounced with American related articles?


Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2021, 07:42:23 am »
Recently, the US placed another rover on Mars, this time accompanied by a small copter drone that would do some proof-of-concept tests regarding self-directed, powered flight on Mars.
China also recently landed a Mars rover.
Some pretty cool stuff!
https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/

While the articles are pretty neat-o, the comment sections on most of these articles are a complete ****-show. Nearly half of the hundreds of comments are all crap about how it's all fake, the earth is flat, etc etc etc. Your basic troll fest, except that, sadly, *many* of those commenters truly seem to believe what they're arguing.
   Maybe this is par for the FB course, but I cant help feeling discouraged by the amount of deliberate, willful ignorance on display on so many science-oriented articles that I run across.

   Is this just an artifact of the kind of people who read stuff on FB, or do you guys think that this is a real reflection on the direction modern society is heading towards?
   If the latter, what can be done to stem this tide, either as an individual or as a society?
   Is this kind of thing common in all western countries, or is it more pronounced with American related articles?

I've never been worried.

Comments sections tend to be the realm of bigots, morons, racists and other social rejects. This is their platform to be heard and be anonymous as people in the real world tend to avoid them so, you're going to see a disproportionate amount of these losers in comments sections.


Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2021, 07:45:06 am »


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Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2021, 12:19:09 am »
Recently, the US placed another rover on Mars, this time accompanied by a small copter drone that would do some proof-of-concept tests regarding self-directed, powered flight on Mars.
China also recently landed a Mars rover.
Some pretty cool stuff!
https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/

While the articles are pretty neat-o, the comment sections on most of these articles are a complete ****-show. Nearly half of the hundreds of comments are all crap about how it's all fake, the earth is flat, etc etc etc. Your basic troll fest, except that, sadly, *many* of those commenters truly seem to believe what they're arguing.
   Maybe this is par for the FB course, but I cant help feeling discouraged by the amount of deliberate, willful ignorance on display on so many science-oriented articles that I run across.

   Is this just an artifact of the kind of people who read stuff on FB, or do you guys think that this is a real reflection on the direction modern society is heading towards?
   If the latter, what can be done to stem this tide, either as an individual or as a society?
   Is this kind of thing common in all western countries, or is it more pronounced with American related articles?
As an individual, speak up in a polite  way when someone says something you know is patently false. It may not change their mind, but it can keep them from convincing others.

As a society, we need better education at all levels and in all institutions.

Considering 15% of Americans say they believe in qanon, it's a daunting task. In the US, there is so much emphasis on the individual that many believe it is their right to believe whatever they want to believe, no matter how crazy, hypocritical and without basis in fact it is.

If Antifa were as organized as the right says they are, they could take out all the right wing news organizations. That might help.


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Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2021, 01:17:24 am »
I heard a professor complain in 2010 that university students don't know much any more, have little foundational knowledge, and worse: Don't care! If they fon't already know it, it isn't worth being known. They have no sense of responsibility to know.

(And that was before the explosion of social media in smartphones!)


Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2021, 03:40:29 am »
Recently, the US placed another rover on Mars, this time accompanied by a small copter drone that would do some proof-of-concept tests regarding self-directed, powered flight on Mars.
China also recently landed a Mars rover.
Some pretty cool stuff!
https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/

While the articles are pretty neat-o, the comment sections on most of these articles are a complete ****-show. Nearly half of the hundreds of comments are all crap about how it's all fake, the earth is flat, etc etc etc. Your basic troll fest, except that, sadly, *many* of those commenters truly seem to believe what they're arguing.
   Maybe this is par for the FB course, but I cant help feeling discouraged by the amount of deliberate, willful ignorance on display on so many science-oriented articles that I run across.

   Is this just an artifact of the kind of people who read stuff on FB, or do you guys think that this is a real reflection on the direction modern society is heading towards?
   If the latter, what can be done to stem this tide, either as an individual or as a society?
   Is this kind of thing common in all western countries, or is it more pronounced with American related articles?

What do you want Facebook to do about it? It's not like other pro-science users are going to change the minds of the morons by rationally presenting facts and figures.


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Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2021, 05:46:05 am »
It's not like other pro-science users are going to change the minds of the morons by rationally presenting facts and figures.
You think? Iíd say itís better to have faith that people with false beliefs have the potential to be open minded enough and rational enough to change their minds once presented with logic. At least some. We hope.


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Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2021, 06:58:17 am »
You think? Iíd say itís better to have faith that people with false beliefs have the potential to be open minded enough and rational enough to change their minds once presented with logic. At least some. We hope.

False beliefs such as the big steal?


  • Kyndo
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Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2021, 07:25:57 am »
What do you want Facebook to do about it? It's not like other pro-science users are going to change the minds of the morons by rationally presenting facts and figures.

I'm not really sure that I want FB to do anything more than what they're already doing (ie adding disclaimers to provably false statements etc). I don't feel that it's the responsibility of private institutions to be gatekeepers. Also, if the platforms themselves get too involved, it will create all sorts of censorship issues and that can be a slippery slope, especially when boatloads of money are involved.

   I'm personally a fan of third party fact checking organizations. It would be awesome if there was some kind of way to establish a few of them as have iron-bound reputations as being politically neutral etc. Most of them do the best they can to navigate the bias minefields, but even the smallest, most momentary slips are immediately used as 'proof' by quacks that their tools of the right, or the left or whoever it is that's trying to correct their quackery.
   It would be awesome, but I'm not sure it would be possible.  :sad:



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Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2021, 07:43:06 am »
   I'm personally a fan of third party fact checking organizations. It would be awesome if there was some kind of way to establish a few of them as have iron-bound reputations as being politically neutral etc.
...
   It would be awesome, but I'm not sure it would be possible.  :sad:

yeah, i dont think its possible to have a "politically neutral" third-party fact checking org. the sources they cite for their fact-checks probably arent politically neutral themselves, and even if we move past left/right politics in the US theres still the question of whether their buying china's narrative or not, how they approach foreign interventionism through the lens of state media, etc.


Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2021, 03:23:04 pm »
I'm not really sure that I want FB to do anything more than what they're already doing (ie adding disclaimers to provably false statements etc). I don't feel that it's the responsibility of private institutions to be gatekeepers. Also, if the platforms themselves get too involved, it will create all sorts of censorship issues and that can be a slippery slope, especially when boatloads of money are involved.

   I'm personally a fan of third party fact checking organizations. It would be awesome if there was some kind of way to establish a few of them as have iron-bound reputations as being politically neutral etc. Most of them do the best they can to navigate the bias minefields, but even the smallest, most momentary slips are immediately used as 'proof' by quacks that their tools of the right, or the left or whoever it is that's trying to correct their quackery.
   It would be awesome, but I'm not sure it would be possible.  :sad:



We're talking about people who don't believe in basic facts, not people who disagree about supply-side economics.


  • Kyndo
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Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2021, 07:48:18 am »
Yeah. They're annoying af, but booting them off science sites seems counter productive, though.  :sad:


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Re: Anti-Science on Science related news articles
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2021, 08:13:36 am »
They are capable are learning basic facts. People can change their minds and become more educated, right? Letís not give up on them.