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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2021, 02:32:25 pm »
the settlements don't respect the borders
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2021, 02:40:11 pm »
I wish...lol
Where your parents university professors? Because none of the telcos offered internet service until the mid-90s, maybe like 1993 at the earliest. It wasn't made public until 1993-ish.
My mom was a public school librarian. As such she was responsible for early computer stuff and that's how we had internet access. Also, my dad's business revolved around computerized data processing and he'd been working on computers since the 1960s (like punch cards and COBOL when he was in the Army and such) and was able to help set everything up. I think he also had internet at his work, hence why we were early adapters. I know we had Prodigy and something before that I'm really vague on.

Wolfenstein 3D came out in 1992 and I was rockin internet well before that.

EDIT...Okay the time I can think I was contemporary with the internet is when I was playing Strike Fleet on the Apple IIgs and Battlehawks 1942 on the PC. That would be 1988. I was playing Silpheed and Wings of Fury in 1987 and I don't think I had internet then. It had to be 1988. 1990 was King's Bounty and Ultima VI and I know I had it then.
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2021, 03:39:47 pm »
Why am I not surprised that it's Hangook and the guy who thinks most Muslims are extremists because of a Twitter post by a Muslim MMA fighter criticising the French president?

Multiple reasons:

- They were the first group of people to believe in one God and challenge the status quo of worshipping pharaohs and idols.
- They were blamed for the death of Prophet Isa/Jesus Christ.
- They have a strong communal bond which makes others distrust them
- They're not any better or worse at making money than anyone else, but when you have a strong communal bond you tend to support those within your community making business a lot easier.

Either way, Religion has got diddly-squat to do with going on in Palestine. It's a perfect storm of a political mess and Britain (having conveniently taken 10 steps back) is one of the biggest architects.

Palestine is a Holy land for ALL 3 Abrahamic faiths.
In a similar way that the extremism of national socialism took hold of Germany, Zionism has infected the mindset of Israelis and other Jews and Zionism is a VERY new political movement that argues that The Holy Land is the exclusive home of Jewish people and everyone else can f*ck off... Sorry, that's not how it works. There's nothing in the Torah that says anything about the Jews being the sole inhabitants of The Holy Land, that's some made up Zionist BS. There're a hell of a lot of Jews opposed to the state of Israel because, guess what, they understand their Torah and their Faith. Do you two Atheists claim to understand their Faith better than them?

The Jews were oppressed, Zionism was born. Palestinians were oppressed, Hamas was born. Hate breeds hate.

Israel is and apartheid regime, end of story.

This was well said.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2021, 05:44:57 pm »
Nice try

It's true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOjd3vclQlU

[1:38]

"When we die as martyrs, we will go to heaven."


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2021, 05:50:28 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axe_NcIEfsU

Abu Mazen once again expressed support for terrorists who murdered innocent Israelis, calling them "martyrs whose place is in heaven". His public support for the terrorists and his refraining from condemning terror attacks serve as a clear message that continues to fuel the incitement to violence and terror. The international community must condemn Abu Mazen's comments and demand that he stop the incitement.

Israel continues to expose the incitement in the Palestinian Authority.  In all of his meetings with other leaders, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu shows them this video on this topic.


Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2021, 07:01:42 pm »
Question L I - Do you place the same weight of sentiment on Americans who say "Just bomb the whole place" or "The whole Middle East should just be nuked" or "F them towel...." or any number of things? I could search through a bunch of American RW media and find stuff that advocates just as much violence and destruction.

With anything you usually have a hardcore cadre of 10% who are fanatics to the cause. Another 20% who might join and do some stuff, but it takes some motivation. And finally another 20% who range from "well wishes" to "vocal fanatics who shout loudly but do absolutely nothing". The remaining 50% could give F all and are more concerned with the price of bread and their kids' grades in school but nominally throw support behind something 1~3/365 days out of a sense of tradition.

Whether it's here or there, people are the same. You can always find a group of people screaming that certain people should be bombed because they suck. 

FFS, I could probably find some videotaped rant threatening violence against- Trump, Biden, Israel, Hezbollah, The Dallas Cowboys, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Cardi B, Elon Musk, Bit Coin, A Rival Kpop boy band, J.J. Abrams, Galileo, and Weird Al Yankovic.
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2021, 07:42:19 pm »
Question L I - Do you place the same weight of sentiment on Americans who say "Just bomb the whole place" or "The whole Middle East should just be nuked" or "F them towel...." or any number of things? I could search through a bunch of American RW media and find stuff that advocates just as much violence and destruction.

With anything you usually have a hardcore cadre of 10% who are fanatics to the cause. Another 20% who might join and do some stuff, but it takes some motivation. And finally another 20% who range from "well wishes" to "vocal fanatics who shout loudly but do absolutely nothing". The remaining 50% could give F all and are more concerned with the price of bread and their kids' grades in school but nominally throw support behind something 1~3/365 days out of a sense of tradition.

Whether it's here or there, people are the same. You can always find a group of people screaming that certain people should be bombed because they suck. 

FFS, I could probably find some videotaped rant threatening violence against- Trump, Biden, Israel, Hezbollah, The Dallas Cowboys, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Cardi B, Elon Musk, Bit Coin, A Rival Kpop boy band, J.J. Abrams, Galileo, and Weird Al Yankovic.

I really shouldn't have posted that video of the Jewish Professor Norman Finkelstein calling out Israel on their genocide. With LI and Hangook, that's just going to get them posting a whole bunch of video links they save on their hardrive for this, their 'special occasions' and NOBODY
wants to see that.

You posted a sketchy news report from 2014 and a literal Israeli government propaganda video which most people have figured out as it has over 1300 dislikes to 830 likes. 
You think Palestine has such slick state sponsored, high production propaganda videos?

If I was a Palestinian I'd probably be gunning for IDF thugs too, so what? La Resistance was a thing when their country was being occupied by Nazi invaders.

Most Palestinians aren't asking for much more than to be left alone with what little they have left, I think that's a hell of a lot more than reasonable. Israel is your CCP in the Middle-East with their propaganda machine, money, military and hateful quest for genocide.

Support them if you wish, but it doesn't look like you're not going to convince anyone here... certainly not with those crappy videos.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2021, 08:01:59 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN1MkAGuVyY

Is the Israeli military a paragon of morality and wartime ethics? Or is it an oppressive force that targets innocent Palestinian civilians and commits war crimes as a matter of policy? Colonel Richard Kemp, who was the commander of British Forces in Afghanistan, was in Israel during its war against Hamas in 2014, and analyzes whether Israel's military is ethical, evil, or somewhere in between.



Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2021, 12:57:56 pm »
Care to answer the question L I? Do you apply the same standard to Americans expressing violent sentiment towards the Middle East and Islam as you do to Palestinians?

If you do, fine. Carry on. If you don't then you're just being arbitrary and tribal.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #89 on: May 22, 2021, 01:26:43 pm »
If that was on American TV (which it is not) then yes I would condemn that, too. Hope that answers your question. But seems like a false equivalence. Not sure why you're repeating that.
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The discourse in the Muslim world about Jews is utterly shocking. Not only is there Holocaust denial—there’s Holocaust denial that then asserts that we will do it for real if given the chance. The only thing more obnoxious than denying the Holocaust is to say that it should have happened; it didn’t happen, but if we get the chance, we will accomplish it. There are children’s shows in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere that teach five-year-olds about the glories of martyrdom and about the necessity of killing Jews.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/sam-harris-why-dont-i-criticize-israel
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Hamas Kindergarten graduation ceremony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRuuDI0KCR8

Mother of terrorist who stabbed 13-year-old girl to death: “My son is a hero. He made me proud"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XNwK4Zm754

Song promotes killing Jews, denies Jewish ties to land: “I’m coming at you with a machine gun...”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Yybze98ZU

Hamas animation encourages stabbings, shootings, and ramming attacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9WnL434Evc

Hamas TV cartoon for kids: Jews endanger Al-Aqsa mosque by digging under it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y4lBqIXaU0

Hamas to kids: Shoot all the Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ

Hezbollah cartoon teaches kids to throw stones at Israelis and to seek death as Martyrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f34BBha6z2g
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #90 on: May 22, 2021, 01:39:06 pm »
Do you apply the same standard to Americans expressing violent sentiment towards the Middle East and Islam as you do to Palestinians?

I've never heard encountered that. The only one on here expressing violent sentiment is this guy:

If I was a Palestinian I'd probably be gunning for IDF thugs too, so what?

Those people are conscripts. All Israeli men and women join the Israel Defense Force. They're not thugs. They don't deserve to be shot.

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And the only one expressing racist sentiment is this guy:

Ask yourself the hard question. Why have the Jewish people been attacked, scapegoated and expelled throughout history?
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #91 on: May 22, 2021, 02:00:12 pm »
the settlements don't respect the borders

They are not kicking people out of their homes and stealing their home, but simply living there. In new houses. In small numbers. Just like how 21% of the population living inside Israel is Arab.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #92 on: May 22, 2021, 02:06:45 pm »
Evidence, please.

I read it here:

Who uses human shields? Well, Hamas certainly does. They shoot their rockets from residential neighborhoods, from beside schools, and hospitals, and mosques. Muslims in other recent conflicts, in Iraq and elsewhere, have also used human shields. They have laid their rifles on the shoulders of their own children and shot from behind their bodies.

Consider the moral difference between using human shields and being deterred by them. That is the difference we’re talking about. The Israelis and other Western powers are deterred, however imperfectly, by the Muslim use of human shields in these conflicts, as we should be. It is morally abhorrent to kill noncombatants if you can avoid it. It’s certainly abhorrent to shoot through the bodies of children to get at your adversary. But take a moment to reflect on how contemptible this behavior is. And understand how cynical it is. The Muslims are acting on the assumption—the knowledge, in fact—that the infidels with whom they fight, the very people whom their religion does nothing but vilify, will be deterred by their use of Muslim human shields.


https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/sam-harris-why-dont-i-criticize-israel


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #93 on: May 22, 2021, 02:14:01 pm »
Funny that, despite having the most sophisticated weapons on Earth the IDF still manages to kill FAR more civilians than Hamas.

It is clear that Israel is losing the PR war and has been for years now. One of the most galling things for outside observers about the current war in Gaza is the disproportionate loss of life on the Palestinian side. This doesn’t make a lot of moral sense. Israel built bomb shelters to protect its citizens. The Palestinians built tunnels through which they could carry out terror attacks and kidnap Israelis. Should Israel be blamed for successfully protecting its population in a defensive war?

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/sam-harris-why-dont-i-criticize-israel


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #94 on: May 22, 2021, 02:22:43 pm »
Hamas is not Palestine, it's a militant resistance movement and one of many.

We are talking about a government that was voted into power by a majority of Palestinians. [Note: Yes, I know that not every Palestinian supports Hamas, but enough do to have brought them to power. Hamas is not a fringe group.]

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/sam-harris-why-dont-i-criticize-israel


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #95 on: May 22, 2021, 04:17:10 pm »
Israel vs. China.
David vs. Goliath.

We know how that story turns out.

Excuse me while I wrestle a mongoose, wolverine and a Tazmanian devil.


Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #96 on: May 22, 2021, 06:26:11 pm »
LI, you have no concept of objectivity. When I post videos or sources, which I don't like to do very often, they argue my point from an objective source.
Jewish professor with parents, on both sides having being murdered in concentration camps, is willing to fully condemn Israel and it's genocide.
Tons of Jews standing up against Israel. Can you find even half as many Muslims prepared to back Israel? 

6 videos from the same source... Palwatch

"Palestinian Media Watch is an Israeli research institute founded in 1996 that studies Palestinian society and trends from a broad range of perspectives..."

So, you expect me to believe this source to give an objective and unbiased view of the Palestinians? They've posted hundreds of videos and every single one of them puts Palestinians in the worst light and makes the Israelis
out to be nothing short of innocent, benevolent Godsends. Yeah, they have no agenda at all... 

In that Sam Harris article he makes it a Jewish vs. Muslim thing and goes on to spend the entire article attacking Muslims with the usual names.
Absolutely f*ck all mention of the political or geopolitical issues, the failed and rash displacement of Jews to Palestinian post WW2 by the allies, particularly Britain, US funding to Israel to create
a strategic ally in the Middle-East heck, even the Six-Day war.

No, what I had the displeasure of reading were the rantings of another militant Atheist totally incapable of being objective and obsessed with everyone else embracing his beliefs of his glorified teenage rebellion... what a douche, f*ck Sam Harris and everyone who looks like him.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #97 on: May 22, 2021, 08:33:02 pm »
That was a long video of pontificating, much like many talk on here. Didn't convince me, wasn't interesting, and didn't learn anything. A waste of time.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #98 on: May 22, 2021, 08:34:06 pm »


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #99 on: May 22, 2021, 09:02:27 pm »
The Gaza Strip is ruled by Hamas.

Israel has been completely out of the Gaza Strip since 2005.

Zero Israelis live there or go there.

Instigatory first shots result in return fire.

If Hamas didn't keep firing rockets there wouldn't be civilian casualties.