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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2021, 12:17:02 pm »
Which side is committing more war crimes?
so if one country commits war crimes then the other country gets a free pass to commit war crimes too?
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2021, 12:18:10 pm »
Maybe, folks should move back to their original countries if they don't like it.
So, most of the Israelis should go back to Europe?


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2021, 12:18:22 pm »
The military wing of Hamas interprets the use of children as a legitimate tool in its fight against the state of Israel. The radicalisation of young people occurs through a process known as dawa (invitation or call to Islam), which is also used in jihadist indoctrination and which in its higher stages leads to the commission of terrorist attacks.

The indoctrination of child soldiers of Hamas, a terrorist organisation according to the United States and the European Union, begins in primary and pre-school. At various camps, commemorations and graduation ceremonies, children have been seen wearing toy rifles and pretending to get Israeli blood on their hands.  The Hamasist campaign has focused in recent years on increasing its 'pedagogical' material through the dawa. This process has been adapted to the Palestinian cause by emphasising the threat posed by Zionism, as well as the duty to avenge martyrs and engage in resistance and intifada.

Anti-Israeli radicalisation starts in schools, homes and the media where Hamas political elites have great influence. Once radicalised, children acquire the status of soldiers when they are recruited as part of the military section, from where they are incited and ordered to commit terrorist attacks.

Studies by the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Center have shown how Hamas has recruited, enlisted and involved children as combatants in hostilities, subsequently providing a falsified casualty count to the Gaza authorities and in complete violation of the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

https://atalayar.com/en/content/israeli-palestinian-conflict-and-hamas-child-soldiers



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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #63 on: May 21, 2021, 12:19:26 pm »
Expand what territory?
since you love wikipedia, do a bit of reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #64 on: May 21, 2021, 12:23:56 pm »
Which side is committing more war crimes?

Israel and it's not a war, it's genocide.

It’s the side indiscriminately firing rockets into population centers to kill civilians. Purposefully which is different from accidentally.

Kind of difficult to be accurate when you're making homemade rockets. Funny that, despite having the most sophisticated weapons on Earth the IDF still manages to kill FAR more civilians than Hamas.

It’s the side using human shields.

Evidence, please.

It’s the side using child soldiers.

You're 14 and your dad and older brother has been detained without trial. IDF soldiers/thugs mock and harass your mom at checkpoints on a daily basis. The IDF have just thrown you out the house that's been in your family since your great grandfather so a Jewish guy from Brooklyn can get a free home and citizenship.

It’s the side using suicide bombers, teaching kids they will go to heaven as a martyr if they die in combat.

Nice try


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #65 on: May 21, 2021, 12:27:40 pm »
since you love wikipedia, do a bit of reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement

Israel was invaded in the 1967 war and not the other way around.  They kept some of their territory as a buffer.  Losing sides that initiate wars do have to give up territory sometimes.  Ask Germany and Japan.  Did they get their land back after wars they started?  Don't think so.  Jordan belonged to the West Bank and Gaza belonged to Egypt.  When they invaded, Israel kept it as a buffer against future invasion.  The Israeli military wasn't what it is today.  They were quite vulnerable to invasion from well armed neighbors due to Soviet military aid.  When Israel won these territories, they should have sent their citizens back to their countries.  When Russia took over parts of Germany after WW2, they expelled the Germans living there.  Germany invaded Russia, so they brought it on itself. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #66 on: May 21, 2021, 12:34:38 pm »
They are firing missiles from schools, hospitals, and mosques.

Then when the place from which they are firing from gets hit, they use that as evidence of how ‘evil’ Israel is.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #67 on: May 21, 2021, 12:36:56 pm »
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been going on for decades, and internet flame wars on that topic have been ongoing for nearly the same length of time.

Neither side has especially clean hands, and the situation, sadly, doesn't currently appear to have any kind of solution that is acceptable to both parties.

Rather than argue about who's to blame/more to blame/etc, it would be cool if we could get back to the topic of China's involvement.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #68 on: May 21, 2021, 12:46:54 pm »
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been going on for decades, and internet flame wars on that topic have been ongoing for nearly the same length of time.
Just nitpicking here, it's ,more like since the mid-90s. Most people didn't have access to the internet before then. Heck, most people didn't have computers at home before then.


Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #69 on: May 21, 2021, 12:48:16 pm »
Just nitpicking here, it's ,more like since the mid-90s. Most people didn't have access to the internet before then. Heck, most people didn't have computers at home before then.


You were born in the 90's huh?


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #70 on: May 21, 2021, 12:49:17 pm »
Oh, sure. But but saying ".... for nearly half that length of time." wouldn't really convey what I was trying to get across.


Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #71 on: May 21, 2021, 01:37:57 pm »
Don't think so.  Jordan belonged to the West Bank and Gaza belonged to Egypt.  When they invaded, Israel kept it as a buffer against future invasion. 
You should read up on Jordanian participation in the various Middle Eastern wars of the 60s and 70s. There are some, uh, questions about how much they really were fighting the Israelis. Not to mention, I think the units they threw in first coincidentally happened to be filled with people the regime didn't care for.

Put it this way
King Hussein: "Oh no, woe is me. I have lost the West Bank and with it a bunch of Palestinian refugees who might one day go after my royal family. "

Mideast politics makes Game of Thrones look simple in comparison.


Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #72 on: May 21, 2021, 01:42:12 pm »
Just nitpicking here, it's ,more like since the mid-90s. Most people didn't have access to the internet before then. Heck, most people didn't have computers at home before then.
I had internet back in 1988. My family were early adapters. That being said, through the mid-90s people were optimistic because of Arafat and Rabin and Camp David. Plus the fall of Communism made people think we were on the verge of a peaceful age. Nowhere near as bad as now. But yeah, people still did flame back then.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #73 on: May 21, 2021, 01:50:30 pm »
So, most of the Israelis should go back to Europe?

No, they should go back to their ancestral lands which are Israel before they were expelled centuries ago.  Gaza was a part of Egypt and the West Bank was a part of Jordan.  The Golan Height were a part of Syria.  They all attacked Israel and came back for seconds and thirds in the 1970's.  Israel was a much weaker country then and did not have full support of the US unlike today.  They had to fight for their survival. 



But if you must know, Europe has anti semetism problems even today in Europe.  So, Jews often feel the need to return to their traditional and historical homeland.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/world/europe/france-holocaust-survivor-murder.html

She Survived the Holocaust, to Die in a 2018 Hate Crime

PARIS — An 85-year-old woman who as a child narrowly escaped France’s most notorious wartime roundup of Jews has been murdered in Paris, and the authorities are calling it a hate crime.

"""""The body of the woman, Mireille Knoll, was found on Friday in her apartment in the city’s working-class 11th Arrondissement. She had been stabbed to death, and her body was partly burned after her attackers apparently tried to set fire to the apartment.

The Paris prosecutor’s office said on Monday that Ms. Knoll had been killed because of the “membership, real or supposed, of the victim of a particular religion” — a roundabout way of saying she was killed because she was Jewish.

Ms. Knoll was a child in Paris when, in the summer of 1942, the French police, cooperating with the Germans, rounded up thousands of the city’s Jews, stuffing them into a cycling stadium, the Vélodrome d’Hiver. Virtually all were subsequently murdered at Auschwitz."""""


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #74 on: May 21, 2021, 01:52:04 pm »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56845041



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46150677


Kristallnacht anniversary: France warns of steep rise in anti-Semitism



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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #75 on: May 21, 2021, 02:05:13 pm »
You were born in the 90's huh?
I wish...lol

I had internet back in 1988. My family were early adapters. That being said, through the mid-90s people were optimistic because of Arafat and Rabin and Camp David. Plus the fall of Communism made people think we were on the verge of a peaceful age. Nowhere near as bad as now. But yeah, people still did flame back then.
Where your parents university professors? Because none of the telcos offered internet service until the mid-90s, maybe like 1993 at the earliest. It wasn't made public until 1993-ish.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2021, 02:18:35 pm »
Israel was invaded in the 1967 war and not the other way around.  They kept some of their territory as a buffer.  Losing sides that initiate wars do have to give up territory sometimes.
i guess you didnt bother reading. it has nothing to do with 1967. the expansion has continued in recent years. it's even been denounced by the US (at least it until trump)
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2021, 02:23:32 pm »
The 1949, 1967, and 2021 borders look the same.