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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2021, 09:03:59 am »
What flavour Kool-Aid did you have?

Facts don't care about your feelings.  Learn a little history son.  Most people don't learn it.  That's why they're so gullible to slick posters or campaigns with fake information in it.  Propaganda tricks people that never learned about history. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

Jews have been attacked and scapegoated in all the lands they have lived since being expelled by the Romans from their own lands.  Sometimes local rules treated them well, but others did not.  They were treated as second class citizens as they were barred from owning land and going into many trades.  Hence many became great at finance.  But that's besides the point.  They finally returned home after their lands were occupied for centuries.  These are historical facts.

This is what started their journey in exile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70_CE)


So, what flavor of kool aid are serving in your propaganda camp?


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2021, 09:08:34 am »
Could this be equated in the slightest way to Jews and the holocaust?

Do Jewish kids hate German kids and want to kill them for what their ancestors who are not them did? The answer is no.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2021, 09:13:18 am »
Do Jewish kids hate German kids and want to kill them for what their ancestors who are not them did? The answer is no.

I wouldn't bet on that.


Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2021, 09:14:30 am »
Facts don't care about your feelings.  Learn a little history son.  Most people don't learn it.  That's why they're so gullible to slick posters or campaigns with fake information in it.  Propaganda tricks people that never learned about history. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

Jews have been attacked and scapegoated in all the lands they have lived since being expelled by the Romans from their own lands.  Sometimes local rules treated them well, but others did not.  They were treated as second class citizens as they were barred from owning land and going into many trades.  Hence many became great at finance.  But that's besides the point.  They finally returned home after their lands were occupied for centuries.  These are historical facts.

This is what started their journey in exile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70_CE)


So, what flavor of kool aid are serving in your propaganda camp?

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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2021, 09:15:55 am »
Facts don't care about your feelings.  Learn a little history son.  Most people don't learn it.  That's why they're so gullible to slick posters or campaigns with fake information in it.  Propaganda tricks people that never learned about history. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

Jews have been attacked and scapegoated in all the lands they have lived since being expelled by the Romans from their own lands.  Sometimes local rules treated them well, but others did not.  They were treated as second class citizens as they were barred from owning land and going into many trades.  Hence many became great at finance.  But that's besides the point.  They finally returned home after their lands were occupied for centuries.  These are historical facts.

This is what started their journey in exile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70_CE)


So, what flavor of kool aid are serving in your propaganda camp?

Ask yourself the hard question. Why have the Jewish people been attacked, scapegoated and expelled throughout history?


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2021, 09:18:39 am »
I wouldn't bet on that.
Having grown up with a lot of Israeli kids* (my mom and her best friend lived in Israel for quite a few years), I definitely would.
Most bear German people no particular ill will. Heck, from what I understand, most don't even dislike Germany the country for it's past. Germany has done *a lot* to put the Holocaust behind it, and has been pretty sincere in it's apologies, reparations, and general shame of its past.
If only Japan had done the same.  :sad:


*Although I'll concede that "Israeli" and "Jewish" aren't 100% the same.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2021, 09:19:14 am »
I wouldn't bet on that.

Well, how often does that happen? Almost never?

Israel isnít going to fire rockets into Germany.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2021, 09:20:32 am »
Ask yourself the hard question. Why have the Jewish people been attacked, scapegoated and expelled throughout history?

They had successful businesses. People were jealous / wanted their wealth.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2021, 09:22:08 am »
They had successful businesses. People were jealous / wanted their wealth.

That seems rather facile. There's a deeper meaning. Look at many immigrant cultures who are successful today who aren't constantly under attack.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2021, 09:30:04 am »
Ok, so whatís the reason in your opinion?


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2021, 10:15:58 am »
Ask yourself the hard question. Why have the Jewish people been attacked, scapegoated and expelled throughout history?

So, you are implying they deserve it?  Seems you're implying something about Jews. 


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2021, 10:17:14 am »
Ask yourself the hard question. Why have the Jewish people been attacked, scapegoated and expelled throughout history?
큰yikes


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2021, 10:17:58 am »


Whether it is or isn't, there are plenty of other history sources recording the same events long before there was a Wikipedia.  But since I can't link History books and other info, wiki was the goto in this regard.  But you can check their sources if you wish and dissect from there.   


Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2021, 10:49:25 am »
Why am I not surprised that it's Hangook and the guy who thinks most Muslims are extremists because of a Twitter post by a Muslim MMA fighter criticising the French president?

Ok, so whatís the reason in your opinion?

Multiple reasons:

- They were the first group of people to believe in one God and challenge the status quo of worshipping pharaohs and idols.
- They were blamed for the death of Prophet Isa/Jesus Christ.
- They have a strong communal bond which makes others distrust them
- They're not any better or worse at making money than anyone else, but when you have a strong communal bond you tend to support those within your community making business a lot easier.

Either way, Religion has got diddly-squat to do with going on in Palestine. It's a perfect storm of a political mess and Britain (having conveniently taken 10 steps back) is one of the biggest architects.

Palestine is a Holy land for ALL 3 Abrahamic faiths.
In a similar way that the extremism of national socialism took hold of Germany, Zionism has infected the mindset of Israelis and other Jews and Zionism is a VERY new political movement that argues that The Holy Land is the exclusive home of Jewish people and everyone else can f*ck off... Sorry, that's not how it works. There's nothing in the Torah that says anything about the Jews being the sole inhabitants of The Holy Land, that's some made up Zionist BS. There're a hell of a lot of Jews opposed to the state of Israel because, guess what, they understand their Torah and their Faith. Do you two Atheists claim to understand their Faith better than them?

The Jews were oppressed, Zionism was born. Palestinians were oppressed, Hamas was born. Hate breeds hate.

Israel is and apartheid regime, end of story.
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2021, 11:36:09 am »
My list of bad and/or impossible solutions

1) Ottomans or Mamluks get the claim.
2) Let the Zoroastrians have it. No one is happy.
3) Entire area should be run by the UN as a demilitarized open free state/territory.

FYI #3 has also basically been my stance on Dokdo- Turn it into a UN nature preserve OR Japan and Korea turn it into a mutual offshore tax haven+casino
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  • hangook77
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2021, 11:39:39 am »
Why am I not surprised that it's Hangook and the guy who thinks most Muslims are extremists because of a Twitter post by a Muslim MMA fighter criticising the French president?

Multiple reasons:

- They were the first group of people to believe in one God and challenge the status quo of worshipping pharaohs and idols.
- They were blamed for the death of Prophet Isa/Jesus Christ.
- They have a strong communal bond which makes others distrust them
- They're not any better or worse at making money than anyone else, but when you have a strong communal bond you tend to support those within your community making business a lot easier.

Either way, Religion has got diddly-squat to do with going on in Palestine. It's a perfect storm of a political mess and Britain (having conveniently taken 10 steps back) is one of the biggest architects.

Palestine is a Holy land for ALL 3 Abrahamic faiths.
In a similar way that the extremism of national socialism took hold of Germany, Zionism has infected the mindset of Israelis and other Jews and Zionism is a VERY new political movement that argues that The Holy Land is the exclusive home of Jewish people and everyone else can f*ck off... Sorry, that's not how it works. There's nothing in the Torah that says anything about the Jews being the sole inhabitants of The Holy Land, that's some made up Zionist BS. There're a hell of a lot of Jews opposed to the state of Israel because, guess what, they understand their Torah and their Faith. Do you two Atheists claim to understand their Faith better than them?

The Jews were oppressed, Zionism was born. Palestinians were oppressed, Hamas was born. Hate breeds hate.

Israel is and apartheid regime, end of story.

I like Muslims fine the ones who aren't blowing things up and being extremist or cramming their opinions down your throat.  Plenty just mind their own business and I like them fine.  As for Israel being called an apartheid regime, hardly.  But when folks are constantly attacking you, well you have to keep them separate and  contained for security reasons.  Maybe if they weren't firing rockets or picking up chunks of stone or pavement to throw at people, then maybe they wouldn't have to be kept separate.  It's a big difference from the former South African regimes.  Most Palestinians should just migrate to other nearby Muslim Arab countries.  If water can be desalinated and soil in any areas are decent or can be made decent, it would be better than this. 


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #56 on: May 21, 2021, 11:48:34 am »
I like Israelis fine the ones who aren't committing war crimes and being extremist or cramming their opinions down your throat.  Plenty just mind their own business and I like them fine.  As for Israel being called an apartheid regime, definitely.  When folks are constantly attacking you, well you definitely don't have to expand your territory and commit a few war crimes.  Maybe if they weren't killing children and journalists, then maybe no one would fire rockets at them.  It's a not all unlike the South African regimes.  Most Israelis should just stop supporting people like Netanyahu who are way too hawkish.  If pigs can fly and Jesus returns, it would be better than this.
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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #57 on: May 21, 2021, 12:02:19 pm »
Which side is committing more war crimes?

Itís the side indiscriminately firing rockets into population centers to kill civilians. Purposefully which is different from accidentally.

Itís the side using human shields.

Itís the side using child soldiers.

Itís the side using suicide bombers, teaching kids they will go to heaven as a martyr if they die in combat.


Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #58 on: May 21, 2021, 12:13:32 pm »
I like Muslims fine the ones who aren't blowing things up and being extremist or cramming their opinions down your throat.  Plenty just mind their own business and I like them fine.  As for Israel being called an apartheid regime, hardly.  But when folks are constantly attacking you, well you have to keep them separate and  contained for security reasons.  Maybe if they weren't firing rockets or picking up chunks of stone or pavement to throw at people, then maybe they wouldn't have to be kept separate.  It's a big difference from the former South African regimes.  Most Palestinians should just migrate to other nearby Muslim Arab countries.  If water can be desalinated and soil in any areas are decent or can be made decent, it would be better than this. 

You clearly have a very rudimentary understanding of what's going on, don't you? If you didn't you'd understand how ridiculous it is to expect Palestinians to abandon masjid Al-Aqsa, the 3rd holiest site in Islam. Despite Zionists invading their homeland and claiming it as theirs, Palestinians are willing to compromise and allow the Zionists to keep what they took as long as they leave the Palestinians alone and allow them to form their own state in the West Bank and Gaza.

Cramming opinions down others throats? This from the guy who must've made about 15 threads of why teaching in China is better.

Are you South African? Were your grandparents kicked out of the home they built? Was your dad put in jail for trying to take his son to the beach? Are you Muslim or Religious at all? Can you appreciate the significance of masjid Al-Aqsa to ALL Muslims around the world who go there for Umrah?

Stick to what you know, which doesn't sound like much.


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Re: China speak out against Israeli / Palestinian conflict.
« Reply #59 on: May 21, 2021, 12:14:05 pm »
I like Israelis fine the ones who aren't committing war crimes and being extremist or cramming their opinions down your throat.  Plenty just mind their own business and I like them fine.  As for Israel being called an apartheid regime, definitely.  When folks are constantly attacking you, well you definitely don't have to expand your territory and commit a few war crimes.  Maybe if they weren't killing children and journalists, then maybe no one would fire rockets at them.  It's a not all unlike the South African regimes.  Most Israelis should just stop supporting people like Netanyahu who are way too hawkish.  If pigs can fly and Jesus returns, it would be better than this.


Expand what territory?  Their borders have been the same since 1967 which happened when the others attacked them and invaded them.  Israel won after being attacked.  Did Japan and Germany have to get back their territory after they were the aggressors in WW II?  Hardly.  Yet Israel who was the winner has to give back all their land now.  They invaded Israel not the other way around.  Gaza was a part of Egypt and the West Bank was a part of Jordan.  Maybe, folks should move back to their original countries if they don't like it.  They attacked Israel, not the other way around.  If you fire at my home, I will fire back at you.  No apartheid going on here, but keeping security barriers due to attacks becomes necessary.