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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #100 on: May 13, 2021, 01:36:05 pm »
BTS has been added to the performer lineup at the 2021 Billboard Music Awards, where they will give the debut television performance of their upcoming English-language single "Butter" on May 23.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/awards/9570490/bts-performing-butter-2021-billboard-music-awards/




Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #101 on: May 13, 2021, 01:55:22 pm »
I don't buy the majority come over here to meet bts or super junior.  Like maybe .02%.  That's a bunch of propoganda.
You know, when I think of "People who are clued into what the Age 18-30 demographic are into", the first name that pops into my head is hangook77.

We all know what a social butterfly you are and how plugged into the world of the 20 somethings you are, so obviously we should take your claim at face value.


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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #102 on: May 13, 2021, 02:28:09 pm »
yeah a big reason i ever came to korea (or perhaps even THE reason) was starcraft. not exactly BTS *squeeee* but, close enough. .02%er reporting in!
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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #103 on: May 13, 2021, 03:09:05 pm »
You know, when I think of "People who are clued into what the Age 18-30 demographic are into", the first name that pops into my head is hangook77.

We all know what a social butterfly you are and how plugged into the world of the 20 somethings you are, so obviously we should take your claim at face value.

If you're 30 and screming BTS, you have a serious mental problem.  I know a lot of Koreans in their 20's (former students) and none of them scream and jump up and down about BTS.  They did that shit when they were elementary and middle school age.  They outgrew that by mid 20's if not sooner for sure.  If some 28 year old foreign chick is hanging out at a BTS concert with Middle School girls, that is lame as shit. 

I've also dated Korean women late 20's and early 30's (and attracted attention from some working at Starbucks or where ever early to mid 20's too).  None of them friek out over BTS.  If anything, they think they look too girly.  Trust me, the majority of folks are not into this stuff.  They travel for a gap year or they believe the outdated lines recruiters tell from 10 or 15 years ago that they can make a lot of money to pay off their loans.


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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #104 on: May 13, 2021, 03:09:52 pm »
How did a posting about how to send money out of China turn into a multipage arguement over Korea?  This is getting lame. 


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #105 on: May 13, 2021, 03:28:03 pm »
If you're 30 and screming BTS, you have a serious mental problem.  I know a lot of Koreans in their 20's (former students) and none of them scream and jump up and down about BTS.  They did that shit when they were elementary and middle school age.  They outgrew that by mid 20's if not sooner for sure.  If some 28 year old foreign chick is hanging out at a BTS concert with Middle School girls, that is lame as shit. 

I've also dated Korean women late 20's and early 30's (and attracted attention from some working at Starbucks or where ever early to mid 20's too).  None of them friek out over BTS.  If anything, they think they look too girly.  Trust me, the majority of folks are not into this stuff.  They travel for a gap year or they believe the outdated lines recruiters tell from 10 or 15 years ago that they can make a lot of money to pay off their loans.

maybe i missed something but im genuinely confused here, what do koreans in their 20s have to do with anything at all? i'm assuming this is in response to the discussion on why people move over here... are korean girls moving from korea to korea to teach ESL?

anyways, the k-pop craze is a lot bigger than you make it out to be (well, in the states at least, idk how into it people in SA or what have you are, so ill plead ignorance on that). sure it isnt a massive cultural movement or anything but i had at least 1 or 2 k-pop crazies in most of my college courses, and BTS has sold out pretty much every concert they've had in the states (almost immediately most of the time. hell hangook if you really need money you could take up scalping tickets as a side hustle lol)
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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #106 on: May 13, 2021, 04:58:25 pm »
If you're 30 and screming BTS, you have a serious mental problem.  I know a lot of Koreans in their 20's (former students) and none of them scream and jump up and down about BTS.  They did that shit when they were elementary and middle school age.  They outgrew that by mid 20's if not sooner for sure.  If some 28 year old foreign chick is hanging out at a BTS concert with Middle School girls, that is lame as shit. 
What? As opposed to grown ass men yelling, screaming and fighting over 22 people chasing a ball? Slamming a bunch of beers at some rock concert and banging your head for two hours and trying to dodge security to spark a j? Who gives a shit? Most people have at least one childish hobby. For some its Star Wars or video games. For others its BTS. Big Fing Deal.

Anyways, interest in Kpop groups usually go until about 25 or whenever undergrad is over, but I've seen BTS fans into their 30s even 40s. They aren't part of any mafia, but they like to feel young and enjoy the whole thing. Why the F do you think they appeared on Ellen anyways? That's not exactly the 13-25 demographic there?

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Trust me, the majority of folks are not into this stuff
Majority? No. More than like .02%? Sure.

Just because YOU aren't into something, doesn't make it lame, stupid, or not popular.
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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #107 on: May 13, 2021, 05:00:22 pm »
I've also dated Korean women late 20's and early 30's (and attracted attention from some working at Starbucks or where ever early to mid 20's too).  None of them friek out over BTS.  If anything, they think they look too girly.
BTS being a topic of conversation during your dates or while getting a latte at Starbucks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator


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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #108 on: May 14, 2021, 07:49:14 am »
BTS being a topic of conversation during your dates or while getting a latte at Starbucks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator

They've never brought it up to me.  They have no interest in it whatsoever.  They outgrew it.  Elementary school girls and middle schools like them here and apparently a small minority of 25 year old white chicks.  I may have asked a couple if they liked them but they didn't really care about them.  I also said in another thread that I knew of some 20 something women who saw a really skinny guy the way most Koreans use to be and she kept commenting to me how gross it was being too skinny.  They hated it.   So BTS skinny feminine doesn't turn the adult women on here. 


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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #109 on: May 14, 2021, 07:49:53 am »
How does a thread on sending money of China turn into a love on for BTS by DeMartino?


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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #110 on: May 14, 2021, 07:51:32 am »
They've never brought it up to me.  They have no interest in it whatsoever.  They outgrew it.  Elementary school girls and middle schools like them here and apparently a small minority of 25 year old white chicks.  I may have asked a couple if they liked them but they didn't really care about them.  I also said in another thread that I knew of some 20 something women who saw a really skinny guy the way most Koreans use to be and she kept commenting to me how gross it was being too skinny.  They hated it.   So BTS skinny feminine doesn't turn the adult women on here.

How does a thread on sending money of China turn into a love on for BTS by DeMartino?

I'm not sure whether I hate this because of what a dumpster fire it is / will cause or whether I love this because of how incredibly ironic and entertaining it is / will prove to be


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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #111 on: May 14, 2021, 08:12:07 am »
BTS has some absolute bangers.

"Shoes on, get up in the morn'
Cup of milk, let's rock and roll"


also, for what its worth, BTS isn't the only cultural export. look at all the k-dramas on netflix (a few of which are actually good). look at 420BONG blazeitJOON-HO collecting awards like a kid collecting candy on halloween. any kid who plays any kind of competitive video game is aware of how good the koreans are.
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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #112 on: May 14, 2021, 08:27:01 am »
BTS has some absolute bangers.

"Shoes on, get up in the morn'
Cup of milk, let's rock and roll"


Come on, now. Share the whole verse.

Shoes on, get up in the morn'
Cup of milk, let's rock and roll
King Kong, kick the drum
Rolling on like a Rolling Stone
Sing song when I'm walkin' home
Jump up to the top, LeBron
Ding-dong, call me on my phone
Ice tea and a game of ping pong

I don't need my lyrics to make sense (It's Alright, Ma is one of my fave songs of all time) but this?

Ugh. It's honestly like Friday by Rebecca Black.
ETA 2day 4hour 45min to next reboot.
DO NOT UNPLUG


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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #113 on: May 14, 2021, 09:08:01 am »
I'm not sure whether I hate this because of what a dumpster fire it is / will cause or whether I love this because of how incredibly ironic and entertaining it is / will prove to be

If any slight perceived criticism of Korea is detected by some, the hairs on their back get raised and they leap into action.  I still say BTS sucks though.  (I pretend to be interested in them in class due to my elementary kids liking them in Gr 6.) 

As someone else said, some dramas are good.  My folks currently living in America, liked Mr. Sunshine on Netflix.  One of my friend's moms said she watched a couple of dramas on Netflix in Canada. 


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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #114 on: May 14, 2021, 09:28:01 am »

K-pop megaband BTS will cover the June issue of U.S. pop culture magazine Rolling Stone for the first time "after years of asking for it," the magazine announced Thursday night.

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/05/14/entertainment/kpop/BTS-Rolling-Stone-cover/20210514094102214.html

Rolling Stone also posted an article titled "The Triumph of BTS," which explained how "seven young superstars rewrote music-biz rules and became the biggest band in the world."



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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #115 on: May 14, 2021, 09:56:40 am »
If any slight perceived criticism of Korea is detected by some, the hairs on their back get raised and they leap into action.  I still say BTS sucks though.  (I pretend to be interested in them in class due to my elementary kids liking them in Gr 6.) 

As someone else said, some dramas are good.  My folks currently living in America, liked Mr. Sunshine on Netflix.  One of my friend's moms said she watched a couple of dramas on Netflix in Canada.

I mean don't get me wrong I'm not a huge fan of BTS myself, but that's less to do with any particular fault of theirs and more that I just don't really like k-pop/pop in general (i dont really mind it if I hear it walking around or in a store or whatever, its just not something i specifically choose to listen to in my free time)


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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #116 on: May 14, 2021, 09:59:36 am »
Given the lousy manufactured pop that has taken over music charts the last 10 years, this is hardly a leap.  There was a time when Rolling Stone actually covered bands that wrote their own music and made their own contracts.  They haven't been relevant in years.  Still some great rock bands out there that still put out stuff but charts ignore them all now mostly. 

Of course, it's not to say I don't mind some poppy songs.  Exes listening to that music makes you more use to it and not minding certain songs.  Some are hybrid songs between rock and pop.  Still I have a lot more respect for those that write their music and play their own instruments.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #117 on: May 14, 2021, 10:05:43 am »
i mean theyre almost two different mediums with two different skillsets, pop/kpop can def be more "manufactured" but it also requires a lot more work on the image side of things (costumes/makeup, dancing, etc).

also what takes up the music charts only really matters if you pay attention to the music charts. there are a lot better ways to find good music these days than radio top 100 or whatever.


Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #118 on: May 14, 2021, 11:19:24 am »
They've never brought it up to me. 
Wait, so you claim to have attracted some attention from a girl working at Starbucks, and because in your at most two minute interaction while ordering a Venti latte, she didn't mention BTS, therefore BTS is not popular? Seriously? Is that really how your thought process works?

Did they bring up how they wipe their ass? No? Well, then they must not do it.
1) Just because someone doesn't mention something doesn't mean they aren't into it.
2) Korean women dating foreigners are probably disproportionately likely not to be into Kpop. Like white women dating black guys might be disproportionately not into rock music.

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Elementary school girls and middle schools like them here and apparently a small minority of 25 year old white chicks.
This is based on research? Now, I'm not privy to numbers here, but I do notice that abroad the fact that BTS is appearing on Ellen and Rolling Stone, not exactly the biggest hits with the 13-25 demo, and that back home one of the biggest demos (at the time) for pop radio stations was soccer moms, it stands to reason that there is at least a significant number of women aged 25+ who are into them.

I'm pretty sure that if one of the members of BTS were to walk into a room of single women aged 25-40, they'd be doing better than any of us, whether people knew they were in BTS or not.

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I may have asked a couple if they liked them but they didn't really care about them.
Impressive sample size.

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I knew of some 20 something women who saw a really skinny guy the way most Koreans use to be and she kept commenting to me how gross it was being too skinny.  They hated it.   So BTS skinny feminine doesn't turn the adult women on here.
I believe it was a 'woman', singular, and she is a sample size of one. Because this singular individual doesn't like some way skinny guy, it is clearly enough to draw conclusions over for ALL adult women in Korea. Also, not all BTS members are rail skinny or feminine looking.

Also, I forgot this-
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to meet bts or super junior
Yeah, you're definitely up to date.


Re: The ease of sending money out of China.
« Reply #119 on: May 14, 2021, 11:19:57 am »

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How does a thread on sending money of China turn into a love on for BTS by DeMartino?
Because we were debating why people come to Korea. You asserted that it was some tiny sliver of the NETs that came for cultural reasons. You disagreed despite everyone else telling you, you were wrong. You then went on to assert that anyone who was above a certain age that liked them had a mental problem (Newsflash, if that's your response to things and how you perceive the world, YOU are the one with the mental problem). The pushback is on whether you have your finger on the pulse of Korea and what Koreans are into (as well as NETs) and basically everyone is saying that we think you probably aren't the most reliable or accurate source of information on that.

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If any slight perceived criticism of Korea is detected by some, the hairs on their back get raised and they leap into action.
It's not slight perceived criticism, it's bad criticism. And you made one of the most common bad criticisms that people do-

"I saw something happen involving one or a handful of people, therefore I am going to draw conclusions about it and apply them to the entire country."

And this isn't the first time. This has been done with clothes as well. It seems to be a common method of "thinking" (it's not really thinking, because it is more akin to evolutionary instinct). To take one incident applying TO YOU and apply it to every "other" and assume that's the reality of the situation.

Question- Why do you take these and conclude that they're the norm rather than treating them as individual anecdotes? Are you aware of small sample size bias and confirmation bias and think you've corrected for those? Or do you just settle on the first reaction you have?