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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #60 on: May 25, 2021, 08:11:58 am »
The Nazis were not socialist in ANY sense.  They just took over the word.  I refer you back to Waygo0k's point about DPRK or frankly almost any country that has "Democratic" in its name being anything but.

I refer you back to my point in my post you quoted but clearly didn't read


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #61 on: May 25, 2021, 09:59:09 am »
My memory is hazy on the topic, but I recall from my A-level history course that Nazi Germany had an extensive welfare state. So I wouldn't say they were 'not socialist in ANY sense.'


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #62 on: May 25, 2021, 10:43:50 am »
However, everything was sublimated to militarization.

That's an important point, the Nazis more or less did everything with the idea that whatever deficit they created would be offset by spoils of war and whatnot. The "socialist" part of National Socialism is more about how they took some socialist policies and twisted them for war profiteering, that plus in the early days they renamed the party that in an attempt to win over votes from Germany's left-wing (actual) socialist party(s? don't remember if there were one or multiple, its Europe so probably the latter). So I guess you could describe their "socialism" as grifting or something of the sort


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #63 on: May 25, 2021, 05:32:44 pm »
I refer you back to my point in my post you quoted but clearly didn't read

To clarify, you said the Nazis were not socialist in the "traditional" sense--I said they were not socialist in any sense.


Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #64 on: May 25, 2021, 06:14:41 pm »
It depends whether you make a case for the ethno-national-cultural component of Nazi Germany and whether that is reflected in the production undertaken and controlled. If you view Nazi Germany as an ethno-state whos raison d'etre is the German/Nordic people above all us and society is geared to uplifting their lives and the state controls the productions and systems for the betterment of the German/Nordic people, then you COULD call it socialism of a sort.

On the other hand, if you view Nazi Germany as a state that didn't take into consideration the welfare of the German people and they had no control or influence on this, and that its reason for existence is to wage war and engage in conquest, then I don't think they really qualify as socialist.

TLDR: You could make some reasonable claim that Nazi Germany was socialist, but I don't really buy it.


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2021, 01:20:42 am »


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2021, 01:21:25 am »
What if you drive a Volkswagen?


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #67 on: May 26, 2021, 07:58:28 am »
To clarify, you said the Nazis were not socialist in the "traditional" sense--I said they were not socialist in any sense.

Okay, well in that case, I disagree. They were socialist in the sense that their precursor was a worker's party and kept some of their policies, or at least the ones that were conducive towards their war efforts. You don't get to re-label them just because you don't like their brand of "socialism" lol



It depends whether you make a case for the ethno-national-cultural component of Nazi Germany and whether that is reflected in the production undertaken and controlled. If you view Nazi Germany as an ethno-state whos raison d'etre is the German/Nordic people above all us and society is geared to uplifting their lives and the state controls the productions and systems for the betterment of the German/Nordic people, then you COULD call it socialism of a sort.

On the other hand, if you view Nazi Germany as a state that didn't take into consideration the welfare of the German people and they had no control or influence on this, and that its reason for existence is to wage war and engage in conquest, then I don't think they really qualify as socialist.

TLDR: You could make some reasonable claim that Nazi Germany was socialist, but I don't really buy it.
I view Nazi Germany as the former. I mean obviously things worked out disastrously but Hitler made his intentions pretty clear.  Just because he fucked up and got a lot of his "golden race" (or whatever he called it) Germans killed doesn't change the intention

I will add that I'm sure the intention desperately shifted towards saving his skin or salvaging as much of the situation at any cost towards the end of the war, but overall his ideology was more or less a bastardized version of socialism with war as his method of obtaining the material/land/etc necessary to support it. it goes without saying that his definition of what constituted a German was extremely narrow, but I'd imagine that's where the National (and right-wing) bits come in.
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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #68 on: May 26, 2021, 12:59:07 pm »
What if you drive a Volkswagen?

The people's car


Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #69 on: May 26, 2021, 01:00:47 pm »
Folks, acknowledging the Nazis had some kind of socialism does not invalidate socialism, nor does it mean the other side "wins". Likewise, acknowledging they were also nationalist does not invalidate every nationalist movement around the globe or anything termed as "nationalist" with respect to our own domestiv politics.

You can tell who the tribalists and low-order thinkers are if they are so wound up in their "us vs. them" view that they think in such a manner. Higher-order thinkers can do something like be on the left, acknowledge the Nazis had socialist elements, and then carry on with their beliefs because they aren't dumb enough to think "Because Nazis did X, ergo you are a Nazi if you do X."


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #70 on: May 26, 2021, 01:07:54 pm »
The people's car
still sort of sad they discontinued the beetle tbh


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #71 on: May 26, 2021, 02:15:12 pm »
still sort of sad they discontinued the beetle tbh

It all went south, literally and figuratively, when they moved production to Brazil. Then the new ones just seemed to lack the grooviness of the original bugs.


Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #72 on: May 26, 2021, 05:59:14 pm »
It all went south, literally and figuratively, when they moved production to Brazil. Then the new ones just seemed to lack the grooviness of the original bugs.
They all turned into this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1l6KfrAFJw


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #73 on: May 27, 2021, 06:24:06 am »
It all went south, literally and figuratively, when they moved production to Brazil. Then the new ones just seemed to lack the grooviness of the original bugs.
I'm looking forward to the EV microbus.