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  • Kyndo
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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2021, 01:13:54 pm »

We defeated this vile ideology [Marxism] in World War 2.
The defeat of Nazi Germany opened the doors to Marxism. We [the West] were literally on the same side as the Marxists.


Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2021, 01:18:36 pm »
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/
That survey was just far too binary. Basically all of the questions I'm like "Why not both?" and that it depends on the situation.

It seemed like it was a survey designed to force me into one category rather than trying to best capture what my political sentiments are. They really should use a 7 point Likert scale for each individual statement.
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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2021, 01:20:45 pm »
The defeat of Nazi Germany opened the doors to Marxism. We [the West] were literally on the same side as the Marxists.

Nationalist SOCIALISM. Two sides of the same coin.


  • hangook77
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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2021, 01:29:32 pm »
The defeat of Nazi Germany opened the doors to Marxism. We [the West] were literally on the same side as the Marxists.

I hate both extremes, though I can't get kids today who think Communism is not that bad and that all the Communist and Marxist governments are not real Communism.  Kind of like saying Mussolini and Hitler weren't real fascists and fascism isn't so bad.  Pretty ludicrous, right? 


  • Kyndo
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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2021, 01:32:44 pm »
Nazi ideology wasn't terribly similar to Marxism. Very different brands of socialism.
The same currency, sure, but not the same coin.
...although that's kind of a vague quantifier. Let's just say they're no more similar thanAmerican Free-market capitalism is to and Scandinavian mixed-market capitalism.

Not all socialism is the same, despite the memes that elderly Americans like to post whenever people talk about subsidized medical care etc.  :wink:

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  • hangook77
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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2021, 01:42:22 pm »
Lean?

More like SWAY, depending on the issue.

The gov't has a role to help the sick, poor and old (sway left) but the gov't is pretty incompetent, wasteful and corrupt at times (sway right).

The Left says trust the gov't and science.
The Right says trust corporations and self-interest.

Both are full of **** and a lot of people know it.

But a lot of people are tribal in their thinking and affiliations, and so both have a legion of relentless supporters.

Politics sucks. Neither a king nor the masses nor an elite few nor a majority can rule perfectly.

But some forms of gov't are worse than others, not in abstract (like Plato's three forms argument for democracy as the worst ideally run but least worst when corrupted), but depending on the particulars of a time and place and society (given the situational needs and excesses).

Except, Trump is willing to tariff companies that outsource and wants to change bad trade deals.  (Traditional Republicans want companies to be free to outsource and do as they wish.)  Corporations are going over to the Democrats because they are caring more about stupid woke politics and getting government money (contracts, welfare, etc).  What may have been Democratic positions in many areas minus the big government spending seems to be going over to Republicans.  What was once the domain of Republicans with corporate interests seem to be going more Democratic.  Many Republicans such as Marco Rubio even expressed support for some Amazon workers trying to unionize in Alabama or Mississippi.  (I forget which state.)  So, the politics are realigning.   I think Republicans will be in favor of free enterprise where it relates to small and medium size business while being less inclined to large corporations in the future.  Steve Bannon once said in an interview after he left the Trump White House that he wanted to push for the top rate on incomes over 5 million dollars a year to be slightly higher and incomes under that to get a tax cut as opposed to the tax cut bill that did go through.  So, there is a shifting going on.  (I personally believe the rich making 4 or 5 million or more can afford to pay slightly more maybe an extra point or two percentage wise.  But keep them low for others below that amount.  Also I believe keeping corporate taxes too low is not necessary either.  Don't raise too high either.  But a couple of percentage points is fine while keeping low for small business and maybe for corporations with a low market capitalization. )


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2021, 11:59:09 pm »
It's absolutely crazy to me that Marxism is coming back.

We defeated this vile ideology in World War 2. We defeated this accursed politcal stance in the Korean War. In the Cold War, we defeated this ideology a third and final time. And yet now it returns in America.

Who specifically was defeated during the Korean War? The only reason the war ended was Russia ordered Mao, who was willing to sacrifice millions of Chines soldiers just to kill American ones, to stand down.

If it was defeated a "final time," how could it return?

American workers haven't done all that well since the end of the Cold War. Makes one wonder what "ideology" you subscribe to.


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2021, 10:19:50 am »
That survey was just far too binary. Basically all of the questions I'm like "Why not both?" and that it depends on the situation.

It seemed like it was a survey designed to force me into one category rather than trying to best capture what my political sentiments are. They really should use a 7 point Likert scale for each individual statement.

Yes, there were tons of questions in that survey that were impossible to answer because most reasonable responses would be context-dependent. I took it a few weeks ago and can't remember the exact way that most questions were expressed, but one was asking you to agree or disagree with the statement that corporations should be subject to more tax. Well, which corporations? How much more tax? In the US, there are at least 6 types of business structures that fall under the legal definition of a corporation. How am I supposed to answer a question like that?


Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2021, 10:56:24 am »
If it was defeated a "final time," how could it return?

This is the question I'm asking myself every day when I say AOC on television. How?! How are we back here.

American workers haven't done all that well since the end of the Cold War. Makes one wonder what "ideology" you subscribe to.

"classic" style Liberal, as I mentioned before. But I definitely lean to more republican than wacky SJW democrat.


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2021, 04:43:01 pm »
Nationalist SOCIALISM. Two sides of the same coin.

Someone literally fell for the branding trick...80+ years on.

Amazing!

Ps: DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of Korea.
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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2021, 06:21:03 pm »
This is the question I'm asking myself every day when I say AOC on television. How?! How are we back here.

"classic" style Liberal, as I mentioned before. But I definitely lean to more republican than wacky SJW democrat.

Can you give us some examples of AOC's television quotes that you consider Marxist?

I'd also like to know which Marxist countries we defeated in World War II. Your first attempt at an answer failed, given a) the Nazis' persecution of Marxists, b) Hitler's published condemnations of Marxism and c) Allied powers' temporary alliance with Marxist countries.

I'm rolling the dice on you having no idea what Marxism actually means, but I'll reserve judgment until you answer these questions. 


Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2021, 10:01:51 pm »
Ps: DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of Korea.

You actually think 'Rocket Man' Kim Jong Un is a DEMOCRATIC leader? Don't make me laugh. Now I've seen it all.

Can you give us some examples of AOC's television quotes that you consider Marxist?

I'd also like to know which Marxist countries we defeated in World War II. Your first attempt at an answer failed, given a) the Nazis' persecution of Marxists, b) Hitler's published condemnations of Marxism and c) Allied powers' temporary alliance with Marxist countries.

I'm rolling the dice on you having no idea what Marxism actually means, but I'll reserve judgment until you answer these questions. 

She praises Russia. She praises the Soviet Union, for Christ's sake. She stand against the free market, the very thing America was built on. What more do you need?

Oh, and nationalist SOCIALISM. I've said it before and I've said it again. B-but it wasn't real Marxism, right? Real marxism could never fail... Don't make me laugh. NOW I've seen it all!


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2021, 02:17:10 am »
You actually think 'Rocket Man' Kim Jong Un is a DEMOCRATIC leader? Don't make me laugh. Now I've seen it all.

She praises Russia. She praises the Soviet Union, for Christ's sake. She stand against the free market, the very thing America was built on. What more do you need?

Oh, and nationalist SOCIALISM. I've said it before and I've said it again. B-but it wasn't real Marxism, right? Real marxism could never fail... Don't make me laugh. NOW I've seen it all!
For facts' sakes, how about some direct quotations or links?

For someone "who's seen it all," your posts are sure bombastic.


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2021, 09:49:04 am »
Nationalist SOCIALISM. Two sides of the same coin.

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You actually think 'Rocket Man' Kim Jong Un is a DEMOCRATIC leader? Don't make me laugh. Now I've seen it all.



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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2021, 10:20:32 am »

She praises Russia. She praises the Soviet Union, for Christ's sake. She stand against the free market, the very thing America was built on. What more do you need?


Um, are you aware that the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991? Does AOC praise modern-day, capitalist Russia or the old communist Soviet Union? The implications are quite different depending on which one. You still need to provide evidence. So far we have no clips, no links, nothing...


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2021, 11:20:45 am »
You actually think 'Rocket Man' Kim Jong Un is a DEMOCRATIC leader? Don't make me laugh. Now I've seen it all.


https://youtu.be/Wv_JTjYYaQI
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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #56 on: May 23, 2021, 12:58:31 pm »
Modern American conservatives:

"Kids these days are getting indoctrinated into Marxist ideology by their teachers, the media and Democrat politicians. It's scary. They don't learn anything about about the horrors of Stalinism. A few more years of this and they'll turn America into North Korea. They need to learn about the realities of Marxism"

Can you explain your understanding of Marxism?

"Cancelling Dr. Seuss, Black Lives Matter, public health care, trans women in sports, de-platorming Milo, Twitter's content moderation policies, Nancy Pelosi, criticisms of Jordan Peterson, a math textbook with racially diverse stock photos, energy saving lightbulbs, Antifa, the WAP video... You know, all the Marxist stuff."
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  • Kyndo
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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2021, 07:15:10 am »
You actually think 'Rocket Man' Kim Jong Un is a DEMOCRATIC leader? Don't make me laugh. Now I've seen it all.
I believe that you may have missed the point.

The official name for North Korea is the DPROK (the Democratic People's Republic of Korea). The previous poster mentioned this to illustrate that just because a country or party calls itself something doesn't necessarily make it true (just as describing the Nazi party as Nationalist socialism would be... uh... a bit of a misnomer).


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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2021, 08:23:44 am »
Modern American conservatives:

"Kids these days are getting indoctrinated into Marxist ideology by their teachers, the media and Democrat politicians. It's scary. They don't learn anything about about the horrors of Stalinism. A few more years of this and they'll turn America into North Korea. They need to learn about the realities of Marxism"

Can you explain your understanding of Marxism?

"Cancelling Dr. Seuss, Black Lives Matter, public health care, trans women in sports, de-platorming Milo, Twitter's content moderation policies, Nancy Pelosi, criticisms of Jordan Peterson, a math textbook with racially diverse stock photos, energy saving lightbulbs, Antifa, the WAP video... You know, all the Marxist stuff."

Par the course for the leftist crazies.  The extremists are out in full force.  Better get Trump back in there soon.  (Once they find the fraud.)

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Re: Do your politics lean left or right?
« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2021, 08:28:18 am »
Better get Trump back in there soon.  (Once they find the fraud.)
holy shit he still thinks trump is getting back into office
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