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Re: Good Points
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2021, 09:40:43 pm »
you literally endorsed white genocide conspiracy theories

I'd be a bit more careful in how you express this, since we know that certain people are lying in wait to call you out on a technicality, and like to play coy when it comes to white supremacy. Technically, T_Rex promoted and praised the work of a white genocide conspiracy theorist.

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Re: Good Points
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2021, 12:26:10 am »
I'd be a bit more careful in how you express this, since we know that certain people are lying in wait to call you out on a technicality, and like to play coy when it comes to white supremacy. Technically, T_Rex promoted and praised the work of a white genocide conspiracy theorist.
Southern never claimed that genocide is going on in South Africa. Here's a direct quote from Farmlands:

"Does this amount to genocide? Not yet. But according to organizations like Genocide Watch and taking into account everything I've seen and heard on the ground, South Africa is stepping closer to that reality every single day."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk&t=4141
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Re: Good Points
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2021, 12:37:52 am »

This argument would probably be a lot more convincing if illegal immigrants could vote.
Children born to them in the US will be able to vote. Furthermore, Biden wants to provide them with a path to citizenship. Don't be disingenuous.


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Re: Good Points
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2021, 05:28:34 am »
Children born to them in the US will be able to vote.
If republicans have their way, the only people who will be able to vote are white males who can prove their ancestry reaches back to the Mayflower.


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Re: Good Points
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2021, 05:47:46 am »
If republicans have their way, the only people who will be able to vote are white males who can prove their ancestry reaches back to the Mayflower.
That would exclude Donald Trump. His father was the son of German immigrants. His mother was a Scottish immigrant.


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Re: Good Points
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2021, 08:44:32 am »
Southern never claimed that genocide is going on in South Africa. Here's a direct quote from Farmlands:

"Does this amount to genocide? Not yet. But according to organizations like Genocide Watch and taking into account everything I've seen and heard on the ground, South Africa is stepping closer to that reality every single day."


Um, yes, she's a white genocide conspiracy theorist. Thank you for confirming this. Conspiracy theorists don't trade in falsifiable claims, for obvious reasons. They infuse their claims with enough ambiguity to avoid accountability when the facts don't match their speculations, while maintaining a sense of imminent threat.

Alex Jones doesn't say that we are living under a tyrannical government that has turned us all into disarmed worker zombies for the benefit of globalists. He says that we're stepping closer to that reality every day.

The QAnon cult doesn't claim that Hillary Clinton is prison on child sexual abuse charges. It claims that we're stepping closer to that reality every day.

Survivalist militias don't claim that the government came to their house yesterday and seized all their guns. They claim that we're stepping closer to that reality every day.


It's interesting that you provided a quote that mentions Genocide Watch. Since 2012 that organization has categorized South Africa as Stage 5 (Polarization) in their "Ten Stages of Genocide." [Farmlands was released in 2018.] You know what other country occupies Stage 5? The United States of America. Two of the main factors are

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Growing white supremacist activity & speech against women, people of color and minority religious groups

Growing hostility towards undocumented and immigrant populations

https://www.genocidewatch.com/united-states-of-america

Is it presumptuous of me to suggest that you don't agree that The United States of America is stepping closer to genocide every single day?

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Re: Good Points
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2021, 11:29:23 am »
That would exclude Donald Trump. His father was the son of German immigrants. His mother was a Scottish immigrant.
And yet he claimed his father was Swedish.


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Re: Good Points
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2021, 11:30:18 am »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/04/16/border_surge_is_prelude_to_voter_registration_boost_for_the_left_145597.html


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Border Surge Is Prelude to Voter Registration Boost for the Left
COMMENTARY
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By Ken Cuccinelli


The “Biden Effect” brought us the worst month of illegal activity on our southern border in decades – perhaps the worst ever – with over 171,000 illegal aliens invading our country at the invitation of President Biden.  And while the border crisis festers with no steps being taken by this administration to slow the flow of illegal aliens, it is important to take a step back and ask why the administration is doing this. 

Why sideline law enforcement and attempt to halt deportations? Why resume the practice of “catch-and-release” whereby illegal aliens are set free in the U.S. with a “promise” to appear in court? Why strip away humanitarian safeguards that open the floodgates to mass migration and cede control of our border back to the cartels’ human trafficking, child smuggling, and drug operations, virtually overnight?   

Spoiler alert – the radical left already knows the answer! 

At the same time that President Biden and the radical left have invited a rush of illegal aliens across our border, they are also pushing not one, but two amnesty bills through the House of Representatives: H.R. 6 and H.R. 1603. 

But that’s not all. 

The same left-wing coalition has made H.R. 1 its highest priority -- a radical rewrite of our election laws to throw the door wide open to fraud in every state in America under the guise of “voting rights.”  One might reasonably ask: What is the connection between the illegal alien invasion at our border and an election bill? 

There are several dangerous provisions of H.R. 1 – and its Senate counterpart, S. 1 – that will force states to register many of the illegal aliens now crossing our border to vote. Under H.R. 1, the federal government would require every state to automatically register to vote every adult that comes into contact with a state agency.  That requirement would hold whether it’s the DMV giving out driver’s licenses or I.D.s, the public health department delivering vaccines, or the local government delivering a zoning permit or welfare benefits. 

The leftists pushing H.R. 1 would say that the bill does not legalize non-citizens voting, and while that is technically true, H.R. 1 sets up an entire system that virtually ensures that millions of illegal aliens will be registered to vote.  And once they are registered to vote, it is virtually impossible to stop them from voting illegally, especially when H.R. 1 also eliminates voter I.D. requirements! 

You see, when conservatives advance legislation and policy, the choir on the left predictably sings that their bills contain nuances intentionally suppressed from the public eye. But when the leftists advance their own radical changes under the guise of “reforms,” the pesky nuances don’t seem to matter anymore – and you’re not allowed to question them either. 

To ensure that illegal aliens get registered to vote through state agencies, H.R. 1 includes a new federal criminal felony. Specifically, H.R. 1 would make it a felony to impede in any way a person registering to vote or voting.  While this provision might make sense in concept, it is intended to intimidate state officials from questioning whether a particular person – for example, a person who does not speak English – is legally qualified to register to vote. 

If you work at your state’s DMV and a new customer comes to your desk who is not in your system, and you know they get registered to vote automatically by engaging in a transaction with the DMV, are you going to risk being charged with a felony just to ensure that this one person is actually legally qualified to vote?  I think we all know the answer to that question, and so do the radicals who drafted H.R. 1.  That’s why that provision is in H.R. 1 in the first place. 

This is how their voter registration scheme works. It’s all part of the plan, and in the end, the voices of millions of legal American voters get diluted. Some of those Americans might reasonably ask, “Why should I bother voting at all?”   

Sweeping in everyone that comes in contact with a state agency, while also threatening a huge federal criminal penalty for state and local government officials if they dare to clarify someone’s status as part of the registration process, will guarantee that millions of non-citizens, including illegal aliens, are placed on our voter rolls. 

When one looks at what this administration is doing to open the door to illegal immigration, to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, and to sweep millions of illegal aliens onto our voter rolls all over America, it is impossible to conclude that this is all just a coincidence.  




Re: Good Points
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2021, 01:59:19 pm »


Is it presumptuous of me to suggest that you don't agree that The United States of America is stepping closer to genocide every single day?
Genocide of African-Americans? No. Of Native-Americans? Kinda sorta yeah, still ongoing.


Re: Good Points
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2021, 02:01:19 pm »
If republicans have their way, the only people who will be able to vote are white males who can prove their ancestry reaches back to the Mayflower.
The fact that you actually believe this says more about you than Republicans.


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Re: Good Points
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2021, 09:14:55 pm »
The fact that you actually believe this says more about you than Republicans.
Prove that republicans aren't dead set on voter suppression.


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Re: Good Points
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2021, 09:16:15 pm »
What part of this do you think Ken really disagrees with?

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H.R. 1 FACT SHEET
 
CLEAN AND FAIR ELECTIONS
 
Improve Access – H.R. 1 expands access to the ballot box by taking aim at institutional barriers to voting, including cumbersome voter registration systems, disenfranchisement and limited voting hours. H.R. 1 will create automatic voter registration across the country, ensure that individuals who have completed felony sentences have their full voting rights restored, expand early voting and enhance absentee voting, simplify voting by mail, reduce long lines and wait times for voters and modernize America’s voting system.
 
Promote Integrity – H.R. 1 commits Congress to build the record necessary to restore the Voting Rights Act, as embodied by the House-passed H.R. 4. It also commits Congress to deliver full congressional voting rights and self-government for the residents of the District of Columbia, which only statehood can provide, prohibits voter roll purges like those seen in Ohio, Georgia and elsewhere and ends partisan gerrymandering to prevent politicians from picking their voters.
 
Ensure Security – H.R. 1 ensures that American elections are decided by American voters, without interference, by enhancing federal support for voting system security, particularly with paper ballots and also by increasing oversight of election system vendors and by requiring the development of a national strategy to protect U.S. democratic institutions.
 
END THE DOMINANCE OF BIG MONEY IN OUR POLITICS
 
Guarantee Disclosure – H.R. 1 shines a light on dark money in politics by upgrading online political ad disclosure and requiring all organizations involved in political activity to disclose their large donors. H.R. 1 also breaks the so-called ‘nesting-doll’ sham that allows big-money contributors and special interests to hide the true funding source of their political spending.
 
Empower Citizens – H.R. 1 strengthens the political power of hardworking Americans by creating a multiple matching system for small donations. This innovative, 21st-century system of citizen-owned elections will break the stranglehold of special interests on Congress and lay the groundwork for an agenda that meets the needs of the American people. The voluntary multiple matching system will be completely paid for by a new surcharge on corporate law breakers and wealthy tax cheats. That way, the individuals and corporations who break the public trust – like Wells Fargo, which created fake bank accounts for unwitting customers, or Volkswagen, which lied about harmful carbon emissions from its vehicles, or Facebook, which violates Americans’ privacy, or Purdue Pharma, which fueled the opioid crisis – bear the cost of building a more just and equitable democracy. H.R. 1 also reaffirms Congress’ authority to regulate money in politics, pushing back on the Supreme Court’s wrong-headed Citizens United decision.
 
Strengthen Oversight – H.R. 1 ensures that there are cops on the campaign finance beat that will enforce the laws on the books. H.R. 1 tightens rules on super PACs and restructures the Federal Election Commission to break the gridlock and enhance its enforcement mechanisms. It also repeals Mitch McConnell’s riders that prevent government agencies from requiring commonsense disclosure of political spending.
 
ENSURE PUBLIC SERVANTS WORK FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST
 
Fortify Ethics Law – H.R. 1 breaks the influence economy in Washington and increases accountability by expanding conflict of interest law and divestment requirements, slowing the revolving door, preventing Members of Congress from serving on corporate boards and requiring presidents to disclose their tax returns.
 
Impose Greater Ethics Enforcement – H.R. 1 gives teeth to federal ethics oversight by overhauling the Office of Government Ethics, closing loopholes for lobbyists and foreign agents, ensuring watchdogs have sufficient resources to enforce the law and creating a code of ethics for the Supreme Court.
 


Re: Good Points
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2021, 09:58:56 am »
Prove that republicans aren't dead set on voter suppression.
Requiring ID does not equal "Only white male Mayflower descendants"

Argue the actual policy, not the made up extreme fantasy in your head.


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Re: Good Points
« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2021, 12:36:06 am »
Requiring ID does not equal "Only white male Mayflower descendants"

Argue the actual policy, not the made up extreme fantasy in your head.
I'll argue whatever I like. You can take your over the top literalism and
Oh, oh, oh I really don't care.