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Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« on: April 12, 2021, 10:22:39 am »
I recently purchased a scooter here in Taiwan (I think I was the only person in Taiwan who didn't have one) and I have realised more and more just how poorly Taiwanese drive which is disappointing for a first world (or aspiring to be) country. Their driving isn't even close to a third world county, it is way, way worse.

The problem here is a total lack of respect for the rules of the road, a me, me first attitude and a total lack of law enforcement (Taiwan has a non-confrontational society) so the police just don't give a flying fig and so the carnage continues.

China is pretty much the same as is the Philippines and in Korea I didn't drive on the roads other than to ride my bicycle where there no cycle paths and the driving I experienced there was pretty poor too.

My home country is pretty well-known for carnage on the roads though I think the law enforcement is better, albeit about parking infringements a lot of the time but they do nail you for speeding and jumping red traffic lights etc. via cameras.

So, is this the trend in all countries? Are we humans just self-centered, pathetic drivers or are drivers in your country good?

Be interested to hear.
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  • fka
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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2021, 10:48:11 am »
The worst driving I've seen while actually behind the wheel was in Crete and southern Italy, but both of those places, despite their reputations, seem sensible and considerate compared to Korea. Yes, you witness reckless speeds, sudden lane changes and a bit of aggressive tailgating. Yet the actual handling of vehicles seems to be on a completely different level of competence from Korea, where at least 50% of drivers seem to have absolutely no idea what they're doing at any time. The physical maneuvering of cars seems to be no different to what you'd get if you put a drunk, blindfolded 7-year-old behind the wheel. I'm sure that Koreans' zeal for absurdly impractical cars doesn't help much. "Let's dust off Mrs. Kim's cupboard license and stick her in an enormous SUV so she can drive around the narrow lanes of Sinsa-dong while yakking on the phone for her biannual vehicular adventure. Will she surpass her previous record of driving in reverse for 72% of the journey? Can she enter a parking lot without performing a 33-point-turn?"

The only place that in the US that I noticed a major decline in the quality of driving was south Florida. Much more of a third-world style than anywhere else in the States. Unsurprisingly, Florida is the most dangerous place in the US to be a pedestrian:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2021-03-10/these-are-the-most-dangerous-states-for-pedestrians
« Last Edit: April 12, 2021, 12:01:36 pm by fka »


Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2021, 11:55:48 am »
Ah, this kind of thread again... oh well, it helps vent the frustration.


Bali
The place I'd never want to drive has got to be Bali. I have a special hatred for driving amongst a horde of scooters and that's what Bali is.

South Africa
The driving varies greatly depending on the city, but also the area. In Cape Town, minibus taxis are similar in many ways to the Korean taxi drivers in their etiquette and respect for the rules of the road. The SA Taxi drivers are more of a hazard as they're cramming in at least 15 passengers and putting in people beyond capacity is pretty normal. The other hazard on CT roads are the 'dicers' (street racers). Your average Cape Town dicer drives a piece of sh*t jalopy, has a massive ego and is constantly trying to get from A to B as fast as possible. That said, I believe Saffa drivers have a relatively high level of skill they're also rather courteous, people wave a quick thanks to the person who'll leave them a gap so they can merge in.

South Korea

- Lack of enforcement, never have I seen so many people yapping on their phones or texting while driving
- Lack of respect for the rules of the road. I'm curious as to how many Koreans know how a damn roundabout or 4-way stop works. No, it's NOT whoever forces their way.
- Supreme selfishness, particularly when parking and parking in handicapped zones... f*ck you.
- Nobody "gives a show" (slows down or leaves space to allow another driver to merge in move ahead of you)
- Koreans are generally very unskilled at driving; a terrible sense of spacial awareness, tendency to panic, complete obliviousness
  and THE INABILITY TO MAINTAIN A CONSTANT BLOODY SPEED! It's hard break or full accelerate, nothing else. I swear, Mrs Kim's
  little size 5 feet turn into a damn elephant's foot when she gets behind the wheel.

That's my opinion. While Bali is the place I wouldn't want to drive, Korea has the worst drivers since Koreans generally have the lowest level of driving skill I've witnessed.


  • fka
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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2021, 12:12:57 pm »
Quote
- Supreme selfishness, particularly when parking and parking in handicapped zones... f*ck you.

I used to live across the street from a little park that had a recreation center for older people, and there was a concrete wheelchair ramp built onto the curb. There was a church next to the park and every Sunday, without fail, one of the pious, holy lambs of God, carriers of Jesus' flame in the night, would park across the ramp and block access. I probably wouldn't have noticed had I not actually seen, on more than one occasion, a guy stuck in wheelchair in the middle of street, calling into the park for someone to help him get up the curb.


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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2021, 12:17:02 pm »
I hear Rome is one of the worst cities to drive in.

'Car accident' is the #1 cause of tourist deaths.


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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2021, 12:42:41 pm »
I hear Rome is one of the worst cities to drive in.

'Car accident' is the #1 cause of tourist deaths.

My sister said the same, she said it is horrific.
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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2021, 12:49:34 pm »
Ah, this kind of thread again... oh well, it helps vent the frustration.

It was not meant to be a Korea bashing thread, I am genuinely interested. I have lived in 6 countries and all of the driving sucked (except perhaps Namibia, I was only in Grade 8 when I lived there and in a tiny town without much traffic but I remember my cousins always driving at 160 plus between towns because it is so wide open and the only real and present danger was having a kudu jump in front of your car).

I really get the feeling that humans suck as drivers because we are all basically selfish and it is worse in some countries because of the lack of spatial awareness and particular to Taiwan, they seem to have no concept of danger. They will run a red light with impunity, enter a main road without so much as a glance to check oncoming traffic, not adjusting their speed to weather conditions, raining, no problem let's drive faster and more recklessly.
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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2021, 01:53:10 pm »
I guess the thing saving North American drivers are how wide the roads are. You make a mistake, there's a lot of road left to correct it. Didn't realize most of the world didn't really have shoulders on the road until I came to Korea.


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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2021, 02:03:50 pm »
I think what pkjh said is relevant too. Road conditions in Asia are quite different from the West. Just one example here and elsewhere in Asia is the lack of loading bays. The result trucks are parked in the right traffic lane making it really dangerous for particularly scooter riders here in Taiwan because that lane is often a dedicated scooter lane and with the amount of scooters on the road here it become a real hazard and they  change lanes without warning or as you approach the truck they open the door in your face without bothering to check if there is oncoming traffic.
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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2021, 02:24:35 pm »
I'd also say that at least parts of Korea can be really visually distracting for driving. I remember one time I was driving and I damn near blew through an intersection thanks to a traffic light I couldn't see because it basically blended into the building behind it. With all the lights and signs and random clutter everywhere, it's a lot different than back home, even in big cities. Like driving in the Korean countryside is pretty chill and the drivers there are more chill. There isn't a bunch of crap going on. Your navigation app isn't spazzing out because it keeps switching between you being on the freeway overpass and you being on the road below. Usually in the countryside you're driving with yourself or everyone else is relaxed. In the city you have 3 other people in the car yelling about stuff and asking to charge their phone and crap.

Also, it depends on what part you're driving in. Sangam is pretty easy for driving- big roads, orderly designed streets. Not much crap to distract you. Go to another part of Seoul? Oof.
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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2021, 03:08:46 pm »
The scariest place I remember driving was in Malta, they drive on the same side of the road as the UK, the condition of the roads were good, I was lulled into a false sense of security and then boom. crazy island driving. 

I don't think driving in Korea is that bad, you just have to remember that drivers here are very aggressive, leave a gap and someone will be in it without any use of their signal.  Busan however, Busan is hell for driving, I don't know why it is so much worse than anywhere else in the country.

I do however hate being a passenger in a car here, The lead footed-ness of it all, 100% accelerate or 100% break, makes me quite car sick.  Is this a symptom of learning how to drive with automatics?  it's like go-karting.


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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2021, 03:22:26 pm »
drunkin a taxi driving through thick fog late at night in busan is a ******

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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2021, 03:24:07 pm »
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The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2021, 03:41:54 pm »
Most of the time drivers just do what they see other drivers in the same area do. I've seen Koreans get off the plane in Japan, get into a car and drive perfectly. Back home they'd be doing the usual nonsense because they know they can get away with it, and they see everyone else doing it. When I was in Korea I'd definitely do shit that I'd never do anywhere else, like inch my bumper in front of another car to "stake my claim" to merging into their lane when the light turned green or the gridlocked traffic started moving.

Here in New Zealand people can drive pretty annoyingly. The "highways" here are basically two-lane regional roads which are very windy, yet most drivers insist on going as fast as possible. Constant tailgating and unsafe passing on the right. It's not as bad driving in town but a lot of people still drive like jerks.

Kind of surprised to hear about Taiwan, I visited Taipei a few years ago and found the drivers to be really courteous. They'd always stop for crossing pedestrians and drive at a sensible speed. The scooters were a bit bonkers but seemed to follow some kind of predictable routine.


Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2021, 03:45:04 pm »
I hear Rome is one of the worst cities to drive in.

'Car accident' is the #1 cause of tourist deaths.

Everyone drives like 100kph on tiny one-way medieval streets. To cross the street you basically have to run out into the road and hope the drivers are paying attention and brake in time.


Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2021, 03:57:49 pm »
Everyone drives like 100kph on tiny one-way medieval streets. To cross the street you basically have to run out into the road and hope the drivers are paying attention and brake in time.
Dude you're full of sh*t. Everyone knows that they drive 10kph while utterly befuddled on those streets and completely fill up the space as another car comes the other way and you can't squeeze inbetween and then they honk at you.

Come on now...


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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2021, 05:57:28 pm »
Kind of surprised to hear about Taiwan, I visited Taipei a few years ago and found the drivers to be really courteous. They'd always stop for crossing pedestrians and drive at a sensible speed. The scooters were a bit bonkers but seemed to follow some kind of predictable routine.

In Taipei mostly they are courteous but here in the provinces not so much. Mostly in the bigger cities they are stricter except for Kaohsuing where I hear lots of complaints. I live in a small city and the drivers are mentally deranged especially the food delivery guys that drive like complete morons. 99% of the problems are scooter riders and truck drivers, the cars aren't too bad.

My wife visited me from Philippines where the driving is similar and after one day she looked at me and said they are insane. So, it must be pretty bad if a Filipino complains.   ;D
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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2021, 07:12:39 pm »
Dude you're full of sh*t. Everyone knows that they drive 10kph while utterly befuddled on those streets and completely fill up the space as another car comes the other way and you can't squeeze inbetween and then they honk at you.

Come on now...

Maybe they don't go 100kph but it's definitely pretty terrifying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfLW7G-93-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u9RxqBsM_Q


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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2021, 07:49:19 am »
scooters everywhere are nuts. idk about the cars, but vespa drivers in italy are total psychopaths


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Re: Driving throughout the world, how does it compare?
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2021, 03:53:34 pm »
[laughs like an Egyptian]

Seriously. I work for a huge multinational engineering company. They just donít let foreigners drive in Egypt.  They gave me a car in Saudi (which was crazy, but not as unpredictable as Cairo.)