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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #120 on: July 28, 2021, 12:25:44 pm »
Where are you teaching now?  I thought you were in Korea.

I was in Korea for a year in 2005-06 then again for 5 years 2011-16. All 6 years were good I gotta say, but I lived in small rural towns which is what I like. I could never have lasted working in Seoul - Busan - Changwon etc. In 2005 I came to SE Asia on vacation, fell in love with a girl and the area and moved here after my contract was done. Life is quiet and peaceful.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #121 on: July 28, 2021, 12:28:31 pm »
Odd turn of phrase there.
1) Many Koreans DO show appreciation. There still exists a strong bond between Korea and Turkey, for example due to the war.
2) Question- Do you have this same view and expectation of Europeans and their appreciation towards Americans?
3) Interesting that you say "westerners." I mean really, it should be Americans because they did all the heavy lifting. Are somehow the Germans part of this now?
4) Which leads to the next point- Why are YOU so bothered by this? You aren't American, right? Did you have some relative who fought in the small British contingent? Or is there no connection, but somehow you think you deserve appreciation by extension?
5) Should this gratitude be eternal and for all things in every case? Should Koreans prostrate themselves every time a Westerner passes by? What are you getting at here?
6) Since you seem to be advocating some sort of eternal group credit, surely you believe in eternal group blame, yes? Thus it would be fair for someone to scorn you/Westerners for say, slavery and colonialism, yes? There should be an eternal grudge?



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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #122 on: July 28, 2021, 12:49:47 pm »
And we are off with the apologist in residence, Mr. Hyperbole himself: B.M. oops sorry....DM
Care to address the point raised- what you exactly meant with this sentence

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I'm not counting the war, when westerners saved Korea from communism (with pretty much zero appreciation).
What should this "appreciation" look like? How long should it last? Should this apply only to Korea or should it apply to other countries as well? And most importantly- Does "grudge" apply as well? Is it okay for people in say, India, Malaysia, Vietnam, the USA to treat westerners like shit because westerners in the past colonized them/their ancestors and invaded their countries and gunned down their people?
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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #123 on: July 28, 2021, 01:02:58 pm »
Is it good for Koreans to dislike Japanese? For blacks to dislike whites? No. What happened before we were born should have no bearing. We should neither be credited nor punished for the deeds of our ancestors. Those people arenít us. Judge each person individually. Not based on what piece of land they happened to be born on.


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  • Expert Waygook

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    • March 08, 2018, 07:04:54 pm
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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #124 on: July 28, 2021, 01:27:30 pm »
Itís pretty accurate. Korean brothels donít want foreigners to be seen going in / going out because it could cause them to lose business. Korean Johns could see the Korean women as ďruinedĒ; foreigners are perceived to be more likely to be carrying STDs. So theyíre not going to receive a warm welcome stepping into a brothel in Korea. Might get turned away. Pretty common from what Iíve heard.

Is this your theory, or have you any experience. It sounds like the former to me.
There are many different venues with many different services and levels of
worker in Korea.


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #125 on: July 28, 2021, 01:44:38 pm »
I read a lot. I read about the experiences of others. You? You have first hand experience in Korean brothels?


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  • Expert Waygook

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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #126 on: July 28, 2021, 01:47:46 pm »
I read a lot. I read about the experiences of others. You? You have first hand experience in Korean brothels?

That's what I figured.


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #127 on: July 28, 2021, 01:52:08 pm »
Um, OK, whatís the real situation on the ground then since you have first hand going into many Korean brothels? Enlighten us.


Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #128 on: July 28, 2021, 02:14:26 pm »
I read a lot. I read about the experiences of others. You? You have first hand experience in Korean brothels?

What's all this reading material on Korean brothels you've got experience of? Can you enlighten us?


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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #129 on: July 28, 2021, 02:25:52 pm »
Was googling for stats. Found a forum of johns discussing their mongering experiences around the world. Read about Korea. Read about Thailand. You have better info?


Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #130 on: July 28, 2021, 02:34:22 pm »
Is it good for Koreans to dislike Japanese? For blacks to dislike whites? No. What happened before we were born should have no bearing. We should neither be credited nor punished for the deeds of our ancestors. Those people arenít us. Judge each person individually. Not based on what piece of land they happened to be born on.
I agree with this. I just think it's odd that someone is bothered by Koreans "not showing Westerners appreciation" and am trying to figure out exactly what he means by that. Usually people who toss this around are at some level, a bit of a bigot. Now, it's not the worst bigotry in the world and everyone has some sort of bigotry in them to some degree. It's not the kind you end a friendship or throw someone out of the club for, but it is the kind that deserves to be examined, and in my view, needled. Not in a really malicious way, but the way a friend deserves when they say something stupid and you get in a good rip on them. So with that in mind, time to rant...

Like what is such a person expecting? Do they think that the second they step off the plane Koreans should be thanking them? For being a westerner? "Hey guy that wasn't even alive during the Korean War and has done f all to help the country, we think you're a superstar because someone with the same complexion/nationality as you fought over here 70 years ago as part of a global struggle to determine hegemony!"

And how long is this supposed to last? Are they just supposed to mindlessly agree with the U.S. and love Westerners unconditionally or something for what, 100 years? 200 years? Until they save a Western country? Is there any way this debt gets canceled? Like if that's true, shouldn't we all be thanking the Russians for saving us from Hitler? I mean, they did pretty much destroy the power of the Nazi army. Should we be showing them constant appreciation? As Americans should we still be kissing French ass all these centuries later because they helped us get our independence?

Question- do you by any chance apply this standard to the people of Europe? Do you go around France and Belgium expecting the locals to show appreciation? Do you shit on Euros and Canadians and Aussies who are ungrateful at the fact that America spent the last 80 years saving the world from one evil after another and ensuring that they all had plenty of cheap energy and didn't all have to build nuclear weapons and spend years in the army? Do you think people from those countries should stfu and bow down to America to show gratitude and never criticize the U.S. whenever it does something stupid? Or is it only the yellow and brown people of the world that should be showing this appreciation?

Like seriously, what gun did you pick up? What fighting did you do? Were you there on the beaches of Normandy or Inchon or the Philippines? Were you sitting in frozen mud in some foxhole that you'd been shitting in for the past 72 hours because if you dared to pop up your head some sniper would blow it off? Were you watching your best friend bleed out on some hospital bed? What fing appreciation are you wanting? This is like some lame version of stolen valor. "Hey, I didn't fight at Omaha Beach, but some guy who looks like me in a photo did, so you all should start listening to me and do as I say and shower me with gifts!" I don't know about you, but I'd be fing embarrassed to pull that or even think it.

And you gotta love how these assholes that go around thinking that other people should worship them (sorry, "appreciate") because of some shit someone from their country or with their same complexion did 70-500 years ago as some sort of group credit are always the first person to bitch, whine and moan the second that they all get blamed for something. "Westerners gave the people of the world the telephone and all this shit, why don't you show us (me) some gratitude? We deserve some credit." "Wait, what's that? Slavery? Colonialism? Jim Crow? Hey, that wasn't me buddy. We're all individuals. That's one of the central beliefs of Western philosophy is that we're individuals and you don't hold someone accountable for something they didn't have anything to do with. That wasn't me. Why should I pay for something that happened in the past? Can't blame me. We've moved on. That's over." In other words, the person is a fing child who wants all of the privileges but none of the responsibility. If you're going to take credit and demand appreciation, then don't whine like bitch when people give you blame and assess collective guilt.

So do I do that?

Of course I do. I fing do it all the time- I constantly shit on Euros who bitch about the U.S. and say that we should have left them to be invaded by Stalin and that shit. Hey you stupid Frenchies, thank America for saving your ass from Hitler and Stalin and shut up about our gun crime and politics. Go fly your stupid shittier version of the airplane and enjoy your crappy French cars and all that smack talk.

But I do think there is a line at touching down Charles de Gaulle Airport and expecting the locals to be "appreciative" because what, my dad was in the Army in the 70s and one grandfather was an aircraft engineer during WWII and the other was in the Merchant Marine in WWI? Do I think America should just bully it's way with the French and the locals have no right to gripe? Should they be throwing America a parade every year? No. Should they be picking up the tab because I'm American? No.

Seriously, some people need to get a clue with this whole "appreciation" stuff.
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  • The Legend

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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #131 on: July 28, 2021, 03:08:08 pm »
How did this chat go off the rails?  Almost time to check out of this crap and go on vacation. 


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #132 on: July 28, 2021, 03:10:19 pm »
Where are you going for vacation?


  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Are you a lifer?
« Reply #133 on: July 28, 2021, 10:03:11 pm »
Where are you going for vacation?

Given the Corona situation, I will be staying home.  I hit Pohang last year.  But this year, I will do nothing special.