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Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #80 on: July 30, 2021, 01:59:07 pm »
I'm sorry, the definition of terrorism, AS STATED BY YOU, is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

There is nothing in there about "overturning an election result".

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/us/portland-ice-building-demonstration/index.html
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/crowd-becomes-destructive-outside-federal-courthouse-in-downtown-portland-officers-deploy-tear-gas/283-7338ea54-532a-496d-a3b2-8195d9e9a698
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2021/02/price-tag-so-far-for-protest-related-damage-to-federal-buildings-in-portland-23-million.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhRUyS9LjRY

By YOUR definition, this should be terrorism. But we all know you won't be consistent. However, by MY definition, neither one is terrorism.

You can't throw the book at one group of people because you don't like/disagree with them and not do so for another because you like/agree with them. That's not how the law works. Everyone gets treated equally and fairly under the law.
Damaging a police car after driving into a mob? Is that your idea of terror? Wasn't that just a riot Marti?  :laugh:
I didn't see any looks of terror from police officers there. I did see some Police restraint though. 
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Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #81 on: July 30, 2021, 08:30:23 pm »
That poll didn't release its full results. It would be interesting to see if they asked similarly worded questions as "There may be a time where the workers of this country will have to take the means of production into their own hands" or similar questions.

If they didn't then it's not a good poll, especially with putting the word "patriotic" in the question, which is code for "right-wing" as opposed to a question which could leave it open to interpretation whether such a revolution would be right or left-wing.
If...enuf said.


Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #82 on: July 31, 2021, 08:01:02 am »
Asian Americans across the US are looking over their shoulders as they go about their daily pursuits.

The explosion of hatred in America, and the whole world, is a direct result of the U.S. government’s propaganda campaign against 1.5 billion Chinese people. Trump, Pompey, VOA, think tanks, corporate media (WSJ/NYT), tech (TWTR, FB), etc—we’ve seen an ongoing coordinated campaign to stir up yet another “Yellow Peril.” And the “we don’t allow hate speech” platforms all allow any “bat soup” bigotry you want to post. It’s open season on Chinese. Then they cry about their little population of Asians getting hit as collateral damage? Cause only they have rights, not the billions of Asians outside America? It’s just sick.

Same old America and Britain. And they won’t look this in the eye. Lots of pretending not to see, or quietly agreeing with, what their governments are doing.


Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #83 on: July 31, 2021, 08:09:59 am »
The explosion of hatred in America
This "explosion" is still microscopic. The only reason it seems "big" is because everything is on camera now. It's like people who claim cop shootings are rampant when they're really a very low number.

That's not to diminish hate crimes or bad cop shootings, but at the same time it's completely out of line to characterize such things as "rampant" or "exploding". High-profile? Certainly. But intensity/visibility is not the same as frequency.
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Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #84 on: July 31, 2021, 08:29:37 am »
This "explosion" is still microscopic. The only reason it seems "big" is because everything is on camera now.

And so all the prior episodes of Yellow Peril, Red Scare, and McCarthyism, were never a big thing (back when they were not “all on camera”), and this isn’t a new episode of the same old bigoted drama?

Actually, now with the internet we can use statistics to better quantify these sinophobic outbursts. And it ain’t small. It’s absolutely seismic. Really, if it were not material, all that money spent on the racist propaganda would not have been invested.


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Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #85 on: August 01, 2021, 06:07:28 am »
This "explosion" is still microscopic. The only reason it seems "big" is because everything is on camera now. It's like people who claim cop shootings are rampant when they're really a very low number.

That's not to diminish hate crimes or bad cop shootings, but at the same time it's completely out of line to characterize such things as "rampant" or "exploding". High-profile? Certainly. But intensity/visibility is not the same as frequency.
It's not microscopic and it continues to grow.


Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #86 on: August 01, 2021, 10:10:24 am »
It's not microscopic and it continues to grow.
Your chances of dying in a hate crime are incredibly small.

The biggest killer in America is bad diet and lack of exercise and 50% of the country doesn't give a shit about that. 25% pretends they do. But those people get more scared of shark attacks and hate crimes.
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Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #87 on: August 01, 2021, 10:57:27 am »
Your chances of dying in a hate crime are incredibly small.

So what? 
No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less for it
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.


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Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #88 on: August 02, 2021, 02:07:06 am »
Your chances of dying in a hate crime are incredibly small.

The biggest killer in America is bad diet and lack of exercise and 50% of the country doesn't give a shit about that. 25% pretends they do. But those people get more scared of shark attacks and hate crimes.
That people are in bad health and doing nothing about it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with hate crimes.


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Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #89 on: August 02, 2021, 04:45:48 am »
Stossel: Fear vs. Risk (Why We Worry About the Wrong Things)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQMaZObn88

Life in America is safer than ever.
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TL;DW- “The big risks in America today are eating too much, drinking too much, smoking, and driving recklessly.”


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Re: Violence has passed the potential stage
« Reply #90 on: August 03, 2021, 06:47:36 pm »
It ain't over yet?

"The cumulative result of Trump’s incessant lying about the election and the GOP’s distortion of the insurrection is the absurd belief among many of Trump’s supporters that he really won – which leads us to our current concerns. As we think about upcoming elections, we are worried about the movement in several states to strip election administration from experienced and honest officials, and put the final word in the hands of partisan legislators.

Take Georgia, as just one example. An “investigation” of Fulton County election administrators is under way by Republican state legislators. Fulton, home to Atlanta, has a huge Democratic electorate. Is it possible that in the next presidential or gubernatorial election, the state election board, whose members are now appointed by the Republican legislature, will simply cry fraud and overturn the totals in that county? Post-2020 legislation appears to give them the authority to do so.

We’re also nervous that Jan. 6 was but a prelude to 2024. There is no reason to think domestic terrorists will not attempt to steal the next election by, for example, attacking various state capitols as Electoral College votes are being counted. Remember that the Capitol assault was presaged by armed action in the halls of the Michigan Legislature by very similar mobs several months earlier. As difficult as Jan. 6 was, multiple insurrections in various states could upend the next presidential election.

Under the circumstances, the prospect of future free, fair and democratic elections in the United States is not assured. Although we are not by nature alarmists, the seriousness of this ongoing threat to the republic must be acknowledged. Of course, we hope we are wrong, just as we had hoped we were in our original article two years ago. But let’s not rely on apple-pie idealism. Rigorous political analysis and legal guardrails, as well as an alert citizenry, are essential if we are to preserve our democracy."