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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #140 on: April 06, 2021, 08:18:36 am »
Realistically, almost all public school teachers will never get to TOPIK level 3. Beginner level is the ceiling for virtually all. Why? Korean is freaking hard. Gotta study for four hours a day every day for years to have a shot at being decent. Talent means a variability in the opportunity cost, but it is large for all. And there is no guarantee of success. How many NETs do you know (who didnít grow up speaking Korean) who are conversant?


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #141 on: April 06, 2021, 08:21:18 am »
A fair number actually.
...but not surprisingly, they're mostly university teachers who a) have been and plan on being in Korea for a long period of time b) have a lot of spare time, and for some of them c) are in long term committed relationships with a native Korean speaker.


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #142 on: April 06, 2021, 08:22:46 am »
Look at the sample tests for TOPIK ii (non-beginner). Freaking hard! (Give it a look ye who doubt me.)


  • VanIslander
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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #143 on: April 06, 2021, 08:23:06 am »
The op cites 160 hours a month.

In 18 years I have never taught that many.

38 hours a week at the max, with overtime pay at the hagwon, came to a sweet 3.2 mill. But that was just a couple of months.

Most of the years, 18 to 30 hours of teaching a week was the standard, with no overtime.

If you work hard 40 hours a week prepping and teaching then either you are proud of yourself and see results in your students, or you are raking in OT pay.



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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #144 on: April 06, 2021, 08:26:40 am »
A fair number actually.

Of Western English teachers who have been in Korea more than 20 years, what percentage are above a beginner level (as defined by TOPIK)? Not many. (Anyone want to throw out a percentage? Itís very low.)


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #145 on: April 06, 2021, 08:31:05 am »
I'm... not sure I even personally know anybody who's been here for 20 years!
But I'm willing to bet that the number is fairly low.

Still, I think you might be surprised at how many people have studied Korean to a fair degree.
... or else, maybe I just run with a really smart crowd.  :wink:



Bet there are stats on this topik floating around on the net somewhere.


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #146 on: April 06, 2021, 08:40:49 am »
Of Western English teachers who have been in Korea more than 20 years, what percentage are above a beginner level (as defined by TOPIK)? Not many. (Anyone want to throw out a percentage? Itís very low.)

The types of people coming to Korea now aren't the same as 20+ years ago. The younger teachers are much more interested in Korean culture and language. I have met plenty of people who are interested in learning the language. I'm not suggesting Korean is easy to learn. I'm more than aware that it is difficult and requires time and effort. I'm only trying to make the point that the F-2 visa is attainable for people who want to put some effort into it. And for those who graduated from a top 500 university almost no effort is required until you reach 40. For most English teachers it has become more attainable with the recent changes. There is less emphasis on language now than there was previously.


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #147 on: April 06, 2021, 08:45:04 am »
More emphasis on age (younger is better), income, and having graduated from a top 500 university.

For many the visa is harder to obtain.

And now it lasts for one year rather than five, which is more expensive and a pain in the @$$.


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #148 on: April 06, 2021, 08:48:37 am »
More emphasis on age (younger is better), income, and having graduated from a top 500 university.

For many the visa is harder to obtain.

And now it lasts for one year rather than five, which is more expensive and a pain in the @$$.

I agree that the benefits of obtaining the visa aren't what they were. You were complaining about how hard the language is to learn. There has been a move away from language requirements. No language skills are required for many in their 20s and 30s. That gives a lot of time for people about to hit their 40s to learn the language or reach 40m a year.


  • VanIslander
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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #149 on: April 06, 2021, 08:57:17 am »
More emphasis on age (younger is better),...
Yes, because experience makes no diff.


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #150 on: April 06, 2021, 09:02:08 am »
You guys do realize there are 2-year E-2 visas?!

I had one 2018-2020. I signed a one-year contract in 2017, then a 2-year contract in '18 and am finishing up a 1-year contract now (my boss wanted another 2 year deal but COVID19 made me decide on 1 year only).
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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #151 on: April 06, 2021, 09:06:44 am »
You guys do realize there are 2-year E-2 visas?!

I had one 2018-2020. I signed a one-year contract in 2017, then a 2-year contract in '18 and am finishing up a 1-year contract now (my boss wanted another 2 year deal but COVID19 made me decide on 1 year only).

You do realize the reasons people want to move away from an e-2 visa are largely unrelated to the length of the visa?


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #152 on: April 06, 2021, 09:12:38 am »
Indeed.

If you marry a Korean or gun for a Korean language test, then good on ya.


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #153 on: April 06, 2021, 10:58:51 am »
안녕하세요 my dudes this is TOPIK 3 material looking at you right here. it did NOT take studying 4 hours every day like LI suggested (although i might be some kind of genius... yeah i like the sound of that) but anyway it did take a while :) definitely you can do it! i know there are teachers with way better korean than mine out there
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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #154 on: April 06, 2021, 11:23:40 am »
How many hours per day did you study and for how many years? I remember you wrote about studying it in university. Like I said talent for adult language acquisition varies person to person. Looking at the very few who succeeded is Ďsurvivorship biasí. Almost everyone who tries their hand at Korean fails. Itís a very, very small percentage who speak decently. Some people can dunk a basketball. Most canít. Could everyone reading this who tried hard enough eventually dunk. No. How about get to an intermediate level of Korean? Maybe. Weíre all uni grads. But the older  one becomes the smaller the likelihood (because of hearing loss and other factors.)


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #155 on: April 06, 2021, 11:55:07 am »
true. coincidentally im also trying to dunk these days. i took one semester in my university and one semester in korea (but they were both level 1 classes heh). i think, especially because we all live here, it's very possible to get to level 3 (low-intermediate). if we were all in our home countries i think it would be much harder and it would take serious time every single day. i don't think there are many people who are incapable of reaching level 3. there are a lot of people who don't care enough to do it (and that's fine too) but i don't really believe the "i tried my best for a three months but just couldn't figure out how to read hangle" people
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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #156 on: April 06, 2021, 12:21:53 pm »
If you date Korean women, or marry a Korean, it is expected one will learn the language well.

I have dated an American, a Malaysian, a Brit (Scottish, really), a Thai (restaurant worker), a Korean (26 year old living with furniture store owning parents in a small town) and an Australian. The Aussie came with a 9 year old and dreamt of emigrating to Israel where her grandfather (her mom's dad) had abandoned her family to go to.


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Re: Korean School pay needs a revamp
« Reply #157 on: April 06, 2021, 01:02:42 pm »
If you date Korean women, or marry a Korean, it is expected one will learn the language well.

Itís expected ... but usually doesnít happen. How many guys with Korean wives do you know who can speak the language well? Itís not the norm. The opposite is the norm.