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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2021, 02:31:15 pm »
Isn't it more risky to not get vaccinated? And only the AstraZeneca has that risk, one so small to not be worth worrying about in my opinion. Living in Korea, we don't have a choice really; might have to settle for the AstraZeneca. Get the vaccination to keep your job and be able to travel. It's worth it.


Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2021, 02:58:39 pm »
It still seems much safer than taking the COVID.  I'll have the vaccine thank you.

Also, as far as I've heard it's 1 in 250K that are getting blood clots from AZ.


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2021, 08:17:10 am »
COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people:
United Kingdom: 59.08
United States: 57.49
Canada: 22.79
Ireland: 21.8
Australia: 4.84
South Korea: 2.53
New Zealand: 1.87
South Africa: 0.49
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?time=latest

Yet the number of cases is on the rise in the US currently. And not only that but the number of deaths are also near 1000 every day.
About 10% of the population already had the virus and in reality it could be 30-40%. They are not fully immune, especially if they had it a year ago, but still.
And another 30 something percent is fully vaccinated and even more got at least one shot. Of course the vaccinated ones and those that already had the virus overlap.
I would say over 50% of the population should be ''armed'' against the virus (also including those under 20. They aren't ending up in hospitals. And the more vulnerable older generations have already been vaccinated)
So why are the numbers going up? Genuine question.


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2021, 08:30:57 am »
There’s been a big decline in cases corresponding with vaccination. Yes, there have been upticks here and there but the overall trajectory has been down.  Look at a graph showing the entirety of 2021.


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2021, 08:38:42 am »
There’s been a big decline in cases corresponding with vaccination. Yes, there have been upticks here and there but the overall trajectory has been down.  Look at a graph showing the entirety of 2021.

There were ups and downs in every country, way before the vaccination started. The decline in the US in January was not because of the vaccination. It just barely started back then.
The numbers should be going down but instead they are climbing. The trend is clear. The more people vaccinated the faster it should be going down. But it's moving in the other direction.


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2021, 09:11:15 am »
Post a graph showing the number of coronavirus cases and/or deaths from the start of the pandemic until now.


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2021, 09:36:54 am »
Post a graph showing the number of coronavirus cases and/or deaths from the start of the pandemic until now.

You deleted your question: ''How can that be?''

That is exactly what I'm asking. I'm not against vaccines at all. But looking at the numbers it just doesn't make much sense. In other countries ( Israel, the UK) the vaccination shows good results. No matter what graphs you want to look at from 6 months or a year ago, in the USA it's not showing yet. That is hard to argue with. And I'm just wondering what is the reason.


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2021, 11:41:27 am »


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2021, 11:44:14 am »
Recent upticks can be attributed to the easing of social distancing rules. Americans are packing into stadiums to watch sporting events. Not wearing masks as much as before. (No longer mandatory in some places.)


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2021, 12:38:14 pm »
South Korea said on Monday it plans to begin local production of Novavax Inc's COVID-19 vaccine

And...

South Korean consortium to produce 100 million doses a month of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine
https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-korean-consortium-produce-100-024538352.html



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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2021, 12:46:16 pm »
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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2021, 02:10:41 pm »
Factor in the rise of drug overdoses, the future impact of weight gain to heart health, the impact of alcohol to organs, all in all we'll end up with a higher death toll than if we had just continued status quo and let herd immunity run the course.  Instead the world stifled businesses and ruined families by imposing lockdowns and mandatory requirements.  We would have had a higher elderly death toll, instead will have a higher death toll throughout the age groups.


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2021, 02:46:47 pm »
Bill Maher argues that people should fight the coronavirus by strengthening their immune systems, rather than by sanitizing the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28I5WyLp15o






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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2021, 04:48:47 pm »
Look the graph; there’s been a massive decline:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/24/covid-live-updates.html



If you checked a graph that was actually up to date, you could see that the numbers now and two months ago are the same.

The vaccines had not much to do with that decline. The first doses were administered in mid. Dec.
By Jan. 13th, there were 10 million doses given. That is 3% of the population.
Most, if not all of these were the first doses, therefore didn't provide the desired protection that time. Also, it takes 7-10 days from receiving the vaccine untill your immune system is prepared to fight the virus.

The number of daily cases started to decline exactly around this time (Jan 10th or so).

So thinking that because 3% of the population got one shot, the cases immediately started to decline is rather silly. 

Like I said, there were ups and downs in most countries when there was no vaccine whatsoever. Korea went from 800 cases to single digits without vaccines.


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2021, 05:51:17 pm »
In other countries ( Israel, the UK) the vaccination shows good results. No matter what graphs you want to look at from 6 months or a year ago, in the USA it's not showing yet.

There's been a huge decline in American coronavirus deaths. Check out this graph. It's clear as day.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936



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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2021, 05:55:57 pm »
Most, if not all of these were the first doses, therefore didn't provide the desired protection that time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnJBfJx17A

"The first dose is already incredibly effective."


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2021, 06:33:55 pm »
There's been a huge decline in American coronavirus deaths. Check out this graph. It's clear as day.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936

The number of new cases dropped to a third of what they were, so naturally the number of deaths also went down. This doesn't support your case. Proportionally, the deaths went down somewhat but still very high considering the vaccination rate. 


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2021, 06:36:33 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnJBfJx17A

"The first dose is already incredibly effective."

So incredible that if one person gets a shot then suddenly their entire nuclear family is protected? 

Even if 3% was fully immune, that is very far from enough to stop the spread of the virus. It is very obvious that the January decrease was going to happen with or without the vaccines. 

Perhaps the numbers wouldn't have gone down this much without vaccines and perhaps it wouldn't have stayed lower for this long. But you give waaaay too much credit to that 3%.


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Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2021, 12:18:34 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3gy_CLXho

Bill calls on the medical establishment, media, and politicians to cut the spin and stick to the facts about public health threats.