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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #200 on: February 09, 2022, 12:16:09 am »
that story of the guy who went to the book burning and threw the bible in is hilarious.

I do not believe in banning books except in extreme cases (e.g. something not even in these discussions: child pornography), but if you are going to go that route, the texts of the Abrahamic religions would be the place to start.  They have got extreme violence and genocide, and authoritarianism far greater than any North Korean leader or Stalinist ever had (e.g. reading thoughts - Iron Age thought crimes).  Thatís just covering the main composite character who is supposed to be the good guy.

On another note, when they ban these books, they tend to sell well as has been the cause with *Maus,* so at least that is good; itís a silver lining. 

I especially do not care for the banning of books because many of the books I enjoyed growing up had been either banned or made difficult to publish because of Cold War politics or puritanism.  I did not like the idea of David Irving, an actual neo-Nazi being criminally prosecuted because I fear the same power to punish writers might be used against those I have learned from.  And I strongly personally dislike  David Irving if that isnít clear.
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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #201 on: February 09, 2022, 03:34:00 am »
Are you saying you are unaware of far right (now the standard model of US conservatism) antisemitism?  The fundamentalist Christian stance in America of loving the State of Israel but despising the Jews because "they killed Jesus"?  The "replacement theory" regularly espoused by key conservatives like, say, Tucker Carlson? Or Marjorie Greene who blamed wildfires on Jewish space lasers? The January 6 insurrectionists wearing Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE shirts?  Trump supporting Nazi flag wavers in Canada and calling (some of) them "good people" in Virginia?  Unfamiliar with John Fitzgerald, who won the GOP candidacy for Congress in California, or Arthur Jones, the official GOP candidate for Illinois' statehouse?  Or, even say, Paul Gosar, for Heaven's sake?

Are you saying you didn't know about this long association?  And don't give me Jessie Jackson's "Hymie" comment, he was thoroughly denounced by all Dems for that disgusting slur, but today's Republican leaders have done nothing about Greene, Gosar, QAnon (which takes a page from Protocols of the Elders of Zion) spouter Lauren Bobert, etc. 
Did you not know that a key means of advancing antisemitic views is Holocaust denial/revisionism?  Have you not heard folks like Bobert--an actual, s(h)itting US Representative--compare vaccination cards to the yellow star?  Wearing a mask is equivalent to Nazi treatment in the Holocaust?  Vaccines as Mengele-style medical experimentaton? 

No?  Didn't know about all of that?  Or just unable to see how how it relates to these people and their followers not wanting their children to learn about the Holocaust?

Does this describe all modern conservatives?  Of course not; many are still devoted to the policies of small government, fiscal responsibility, "traditional moral values" and national strength.  But the sad fact is that those conservatives either sat back over the last 20+ years because their party had the power, or were afraid to speak out, or whatever, and the "movement" has moved on without them.  There seems to be no countering force in the modern GOP, and it is now a "bowel movement".

That's a short answer to your question.

All right, don't get your panties in a twist, we're not all experts on US politics here. Where I'm from it's the left (Labour party) who are always being accused of anti semitism


Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #202 on: February 09, 2022, 03:38:30 am »
Republicans: Cancel culture is bad which is why we should only teach Republican values and nothing more. Screw all those other viewpoints because we are right and we need to keep the people stupid,

Maybe some people need another lesson on the difference between cancel culture and parents trying to dictate what their kids are taught in schools


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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #203 on: February 09, 2022, 08:10:30 am »
Maybe some people need another lesson on the difference between cancel culture and parents trying to dictate what their kids are taught in schools

Cancel culture is too broad a stroke. You mean parents trying to dictate what their kids are NOT being taught in school i.e. CRT in Virginia but let's say that they are being taught CRT, make it a big election issue, and then further expand it to other things that maybe kids shouldn't be hearing and reading because it may give them a more broader viewpoint of the world.


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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #204 on: February 09, 2022, 08:18:59 am »
All right, don't get your panties in a twist, we're not all experts on US politics here.

Huh.  I just looked at your last 20 posts, and they were almost all about US politics, some of them quite opinionated. 

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Where I'm from it's the left (Labour party) who are always being accused of anti semitism

The party? I thought it was mostly Jeremy Corbyn.  But we're not all experts on British politics here.


Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #205 on: February 09, 2022, 08:26:24 am »
Cancel culture is when one person says or does something controversial and people on social media put pressure on those in power to fire from their jobs and not employ them again. Or putting pressure on institutions not to allow controversial people to speak. It doesn't include discussions or protests about what gets taught in schools. . I think protesting about Maus being taught is ridiculous, I've read it and it's an easy way to get kids to learn about the Hollocaust, I also think banning To Kill a Mocking Bird because it has the n word is daft. But neither of these are cancel culture issues.


Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #206 on: February 09, 2022, 08:31:39 am »
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Huh.  I just looked at your last 20 posts, and they were almost all about US politics, some of them quite opinionated.     

Sorry but I don't even know what GOP means. I have heard of Tucker Carlson, but only from people on here. And Jessie Jackson. Not really interested in US party politics but I am concerned about the culture wars. Since all that CRT crap is probably making its way across the pond as we speak. I'm impressed you've heard of Jetemy Corbyn
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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #207 on: February 09, 2022, 09:15:04 am »
STOAT WATCHES THE VIEW AND CARES ABOUT JOY BEHAR'S OPINION.



TOTALLY AWESOME!!!
Who let the dogs out?

- Mitt Romney


Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #208 on: February 09, 2022, 10:31:29 am »
There were 2,000 brownshirts in 1920.
And how many Nazis/Neo-Nazis in 1946? 1947? 1948? 1958? 1968? 1978? 1988? 1998? 2008?

Your view of this is a fail of logical thinking.

Again, calm down and stop letting fear dominate your thinking. Control your emotions.


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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #209 on: February 09, 2022, 10:55:49 am »
Sorry but I don't even know what GOP means.
"Grand Old Party", which is the venerable self-referencing nickname of the Republican Party in the US.


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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #210 on: February 09, 2022, 11:38:29 am »
Cancel culture is when one person says or does something controversial and people on social media put pressure on those in power to fire from their jobs and not employ them again. Or putting pressure on institutions not to allow controversial people to speak. It doesn't include discussions or protests about what gets taught in schools. . I think protesting about Maus being taught is ridiculous, I've read it and it's an easy way to get kids to learn about the Hollocaust, I also think banning To Kill a Mocking Bird because it has the n word is daft. But neither of these are cancel culture issues.

Cancel culture exists on both sides. The far-left wants to cancel anything that might potentially hurt someone's feelings aka "snowflakes" or "wokeness"; the far right wants to cancel anyone speaking out and pointing at their flaws aka "petals" [or the far right equivalent].
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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #211 on: February 09, 2022, 11:39:52 am »
And how many Nazis/Neo-Nazis in 1946? 1947? 1948? 1958? 1968? 1978? 1988? 1998? 2008?

Your view of this is a fail of logical thinking.

Again, calm down and stop letting fear dominate your thinking. Control your emotions.

What the hell are you talking about?  How many neo-Nazis were there in 1968?

You need a rest-cure, old thing.


Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #212 on: February 09, 2022, 11:50:33 am »
What the hell are you talking about?  How many neo-Nazis were there in 1968?

You need a rest-cure, old thing.
The point is, that you saying "There were 2,000 Briwnshirts in 1920", as though that is some sort of point with meaning, is in fact, faulty reasoning.

Your selection of the year 1920 is completely arbitrary. Why don't you choose a different year? The reason is, of course, that it becomes laughable to assert doom and gloom when you look at the number of Neo-Nazis in any year post-WWII or at least post Civil Rights, and claim some mass-Nazi movement is about to break out and the country is on the verge of fascism.

Do you know what the main difference is between Nazism/Fascism then and now? Back then it hadn't been tried and racial attitudes were far different than now.

I know you desperately want there to be some mass fascist wave so you can feel vindicated in your dire predictions and demonization of the other, but sadly, that's not coming.

Calm down.


Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #213 on: February 09, 2022, 12:13:25 pm »
If there truly were tens of millions of Nazis/Fascists in America, then you you would see, prominently and gaining vast political power, someone calling for these things-
1) A hierarchy of races centered around Nordic people and an ideological manifestation of this in mass consumed and taught material.
2) The creation of a white ethno-nation allied in particular with Anglo-Germanic nations.
3) The enslavement or extermination or expulsion of all non-whites and seizure of their property en masse and without appeal.
4) The territorial expansion of the country via conquest.
5) The mass-mobilization of the armed forces, conscription and massive spending on the armaments industry


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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #214 on: February 09, 2022, 12:19:18 pm »
I don't think that anybody would argue that there are tens of millions of neo-nazis in the USA, (or anywhere in the world, thankfully!).
I think the point that was trying to be made was that a very small group of extremists can rapidly become disproportionately powerful and bring about changes that a more complacent majority would never dream of making.


Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #215 on: February 09, 2022, 12:45:08 pm »
I don't think that anybody would argue that there are tens of millions of neo-nazis in the USA, (or anywhere in the world, thankfully!).
I think the point that was trying to be made was that a very small group of extremists can rapidly become disproportionately powerful and bring about changes that a more complacent majority would never dream of making.
There's 2,000 radical Vegans out there. They have about as good of a chance of taking over the U.S. as the Neo-Nazis and I worry about them just as much.

It's like worrying about shark attacks. Yes, they CAN happen and if you get a spate of them, the media absolutely loses its mind, but the odds are vanishingly small. Hate crimes aren't quite at that level, but they are pretty close.

But I think we can all agree that the notion that Neo-Nazis are emboldening suburban moms in Virginia and Iowa to ban books that have graphic depictions of sexual content is quite the stretch. That's serious Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs territory. A mom freaking out over sexual content affecting her kids. Must be the Nazis!


Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #216 on: February 09, 2022, 12:48:01 pm »
Have you not heard folks like Bobert--an actual, s(h)itting US Representative--compare vaccination cards to the yellow star?  Wearing a mask is equivalent to Nazi treatment in the Holocaust?  Vaccines as Mengele-style medical experimentaton? 
That's a bold strategy for the Nazis to denounce the Nazis Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

You know, instead of your batshit conspiracy theory connect the dots and cherry-picking examples, you could go with the far easier explanation- "Publicity-seeking politician makes hyperbolic comparison to Nazi Germany."

Because we know NO ONE does that except the far right. Right?


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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #217 on: February 09, 2022, 12:51:10 pm »
There's 2,000 radical Vegans out there. They have about as good of a chance of taking over the U.S. as the Neo-Nazis and I worry about them just as much.


I wonder how many radical Vegans are under law enforcement surveillance?

All those vegan rallies with angry vegans with guns demanding meat eaters be shot.

This must be in your Top 5 of idiotic comments.


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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #218 on: February 09, 2022, 01:20:59 pm »
its radical christians who are leading the charge to ban books and limit what can be taught in schools. Not nazis.  not all christians are nazis, but (almost) all nazis are christian. 


Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #219 on: February 09, 2022, 01:23:26 pm »
I wonder how many radical Vegans are under law enforcement surveillance?

All those vegan rallies with angry vegans with guns demanding meat eaters be shot.

This must be in your Top 5 of idiotic comments.
There's probably a few dozen that are part of radical eco-terrorist movements, mainly because agra companies have put pressure on the FBI. The point is a handful of radicals is not indicative per se of any catastrophic threat.