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  • Super Waygook

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    • March 22, 2013, 11:53:06 am
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I was asked to purchase all of the English books for our school library. Guess what books I'm going to get? Dr. Seuss of course. I am going to spend as much as I can on them. All thanks to American cancel culture. Take that SJWs!  :laugh:

Man, we should all put in orders for Dr. Seuss books! We need to end this draconian cancel culture. :P


  • waygo0k
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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
    • Chungnam
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2021, 11:03:33 am »
I was asked to purchase all of the English books for our school library. Guess what books I'm going to get? Dr. Seuss of course. I am going to spend as much as I can on them. All thanks to American cancel culture. Take that SJWs!  :laugh:

Man, we should all put in orders for Dr. Seuss books! We need to end this draconian cancel culture. :P

"That study, published in 2019, examined 50 books by Dr. Seuss and found 43 out of the 45 characters of color have "characteristics aligning with the definition of Orientalism," or the stereotypical, offensive portrayal of Asia. The two "African" characters, the study says, both have anti-Black characteristics."


https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr-seuss-books-cease-publication-trnd/index.html

The owners of the book looked at their property and decided to make changes...the owners, not any SJWs like you hoped.

But go on and keep showing your students here in Asia racist imagery because "muh freeze peach!"


  • plan b
  • Super Waygook

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    • March 22, 2013, 11:53:06 am
    • Korea
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2021, 11:09:46 am »
"That study, published in 2019, examined 50 books by Dr. Seuss and found 43 out of the 45 characters of color have "characteristics aligning with the definition of Orientalism," or the stereotypical, offensive portrayal of Asia. The two "African" characters, the study says, both have anti-Black characteristics."


https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr-seuss-books-cease-publication-trnd/index.html

The owners of the book looked at their property and decided to make changes...the owners, not any SJWs like you hoped.

But go on and keep showing your students here in Asia racist imagery because "muh freeze peach!"

Hopefully those changes will take time to make and months or years to implement. In the meantime, I'll get the current ones and spend hours going over them with the kids...winning


  • OnNut81
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    • April 01, 2011, 03:01:41 pm
    • Anyang
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2021, 11:12:40 am »
"That study, published in 2019, examined 50 books by Dr. Seuss and found 43 out of the 45 characters of color have "characteristics aligning with the definition of Orientalism," or the stereotypical, offensive portrayal of Asia. The two "African" characters, the study says, both have anti-Black characteristics."


https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr-seuss-books-cease-publication-trnd/index.html

The owners of the book looked at their property and decided to make changes...the owners, not any SJWs like you hoped.

But go on and keep showing your students here in Asia racist imagery because "muh freeze peach!"

There was an SJW librarian at some school in Massachusetts that got the ball rolling by saying they were racist and she wouldn't accept them as a gift.  A white woman, no surprise, who anointed herself the spokeswoman for the minority communities that hadn't complained.  The owners of the Dr. Seuss estate just caved immediately as is to be expected when one white SJW tweets.  So, you're wrong.  Good on you PlanB.  Make sure to include "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street."  If children see those images and find that offensive it would be a productive conversation.  It seems that these SJWs want to erase anything that could initiate a thought provoking dialogue. 


  • fka
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 05, 2019, 06:37:44 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2021, 11:15:41 am »
Brilliant, you're actually going to support the company that made the decision to discontinue some of its own products. Literally rewarding the very people you're trying to punish.

Genius. The kind of stuff that satire can't even compete with.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2021, 11:17:41 am by fka »


  • Kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
    • Gyeongsangbuk-do
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2021, 11:16:58 am »
Aside from the unfortunate characterization of racial minorities in his book, I think there is a lot to admire in Dr. Seuss' works.
He was a very active political cartoonist, and many of his anti-fascist, anti-bigot views carried over into his children books.

   That there is material in some of them that are racist is a product of our change in our society: the good Dr. was actually quite progressive. That parts of his books are considered unacceptable today just shows how far we've progressed from a time when that very same material was considered too liberal by many!

   That said, I feel that his estate made the correct choice both ethically and financially: by removing several of his less known books, they can continue to make money on all the rest. In fact, as OP has clearly demonstrated, this whole situation has benefitted his estate greatly. Dr. Seuss has never been more popular (especially with those who hear "cancel culture" and immediately rush to oppose it without doing any sort of due diligence)!


  • fka
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 05, 2019, 06:37:44 pm
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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2021, 11:19:45 am »
UC Berkeley cancelled an Ann Coulter speech. How can I make a donation to Berkeley to fight cancel culture?


  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2021, 11:41:06 am »
Cancel culture and political correctness will only accelerate.  It will grow to the point that in 10 years time, you will be sent to jail or subject to heavy fines.  Maybe even gulags and re education through labor.  You slip up and say or do one wrong thing, you're done.  If you supported or said something at 15 and get caught when you are 50 or 60 for something you said in the past, you could be sent away for re education. 

It is not that way today.  But everything progresses incrementaly then reaches a point of snowball effect.  Use this and correct speaking to enforce tyranny over people.  Pit people against each other to divide and rule.  The Bolshevieks used class warfare.  Today's Marxists use race warefare instead. 

Either way the new woke left is dangerous and very extremist.  Biden and Harris will not stand up to it or stare it down let alone take it on.  They ignore it publically while their underlings and appointees fan the flames and spread it.  When theses people stole the election last year through fraud, they had a very clear plan of control. 

But those of you who did support this had better start asking yourself some serious questions.  On the chance that some of these cases still going through the courts (and the media is not talking about) do overturn things, you'd better realize how close we came to tyranny.  Cancelling today is jailing tomorrow.  (Lin Wood, Syndney Powell, and Mike Lindell haven't gone anywhere.) 


  • hangook77
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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2021, 11:42:30 am »
"That study, published in 2019, examined 50 books by Dr. Seuss and found 43 out of the 45 characters of color have "characteristics aligning with the definition of Orientalism," or the stereotypical, offensive portrayal of Asia. The two "African" characters, the study says, both have anti-Black characteristics."


https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr-seuss-books-cease-publication-trnd/index.html

The owners of the book looked at their property and decided to make changes...the owners, not any SJWs like you hoped.

But go on and keep showing your students here in Asia racist imagery because "muh freeze peach!"

CNN!!!  Ha ha ha ha....  Of course.....
« Last Edit: March 22, 2021, 11:54:54 am by hangook77 »


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2021, 11:54:31 am »
Yeah, the picture of the "Chinaman" isn't inherently offensive. It needs to be viewed as a product of its time. It's just a Chinese guy running eating some rice from a bowl. There's no opinion on it. He's just there.

It's like Jonathon Pie says, "Which is worse a) I bloody love the fa**ots in this bar! This night is a riot! OR "Let's kill all the homosexuals? CLEARLY one is worse."

You can leave the "Chinaman" in the book and still have a discussion with kids about how Chinaman is out of fashion the same way Ni**er Jim shouldn't be erased. That was how people talked back then. No one is saying ni**er in City Council meetings and then justifying it by saying that Twain wrote it 150 years ago.

That's how it was. We progress. Progress must acknowledge that's it's a change over time and recognise what we've added and changed/modified. But don't erase it.


  • waygo0k
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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
    • Chungnam
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2021, 12:13:02 pm »
There was an SJW librarian at some school in Massachusetts that got the ball rolling by saying they were racist and she wouldn't accept them as a gift.  A white woman, no surprise, who anointed herself the spokeswoman for the minority communities that hadn't complained.  The owners of the Dr. Seuss estate just caved immediately as is to be expected when one white SJW tweets.  So, you're wrong.  Good on you PlanB.  Make sure to include "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street."  If children see those images and find that offensive it would be a productive conversation.  It seems that these SJWs want to erase anything that could initiate a thought provoking dialogue. 

In an open letter to the first lady posted on a book blog Thursday, Liz Phipps Soeiro,a library media specialist at the Cambridgeport School in Cambridge, Mass., said that while she was grateful for the books, she would not be accepting them. Why?  Because she says her Boston-area school doesn't lack for resources and because she takes issue with "racist" imagery in some of the author's books.

...

She also criticized the Trump administration's policies on funding schools and libraries, suggested Trump consult the Librarian of Congress, Carla Hayden, for a list of diverse books, and called out Trump's education secretary by name. 

"Why not go out of your way to gift books to underfunded and underprivileged communities that continue to be marginalized and maligned by policies put in place by Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos?" she proposed.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2017/09/29/melania-trump-school-librarian-turned-dr-seuss-book-donation-into-something-divisive/716114001/

It's not exactly like she was the first to call out Seuss's racist imagery...people have been calling it out for decades...but in your uninformed and fantastical view, this white woman suddenly realised something nobody had ever realised up until that point!

https://www.businessinsider.com/before-dr-seuss-was-famous-he-drew-these-sad-racist-ads-2012-3#-4


  • waygo0k
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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2021, 12:15:39 pm »
CNN!!!  Ha ha ha ha....  Of course.....

As opposed to your daddy/master promising to make you great again!



  • Kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2021, 12:17:16 pm »
Cancel culture and political correctness will only accelerate.  It will grow to the point that in 10 years time, you will be sent to jail or subject to heavy fines.  Maybe even gulags and re education through labor.  You slip up and say or do one wrong thing, you're done.  If you supported or said something at 15 and get caught when you are 50 or 60 for something you said in the past, you could be sent away for re education. 

Cancel culture has been around forever and will be around forever.
Christianity was spread via cancel culture, Abolitionism was spread through cancel culture, Prohibition was spread by cancel culture. Think of the ruckuss made over DnD, Heavy Metal, Ouija boards: all of that was a form of cancel culture.

Not surprising, the same rhetoric that you used in the quoted bit was used in each case by those opposing social change. Thankfully, Orwell's 1984 never came to pass, I sincerely hope that it remains that way.

   In todays world, mass media and social media have become excellent platforms for cancel culture, which is why it seems so much pervasive now than back before FB et al. It would be interesting to see if there could be some objective study done comparing the incidence of cancellations between then and now. I suspect that there won't be a huge difference.

Welcome to the brave new world, boss... same as the old one.  :undecided:


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2021, 12:19:35 pm »
Welcome to the brave new world, boss... same as the old one.  :undecided:
I don't need to fight to prove I'm right. No, I don't need to be forgiven.


  • OnNut81
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    • April 01, 2011, 03:01:41 pm
    • Anyang
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2021, 12:21:44 pm »


It's not exactly like she was the first to call out Seuss's racist imagery...people have been calling it out for decades...but in your uninformed and fantastical view, this white woman suddenly realised something nobody had ever realised up until that point!


Never made that claim, but she's the one who made a big deal of it to get the ball rolling this time around.  You tried to claim that the estate of Dr. Seuss initiated this.  That was a lie. 

Did the point that a lot of white women seem to be the ones anointing themselves as protectors of the minorities that are fully capable of speaking up for themselves strike a nerve?


  • OnNut81
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    • April 01, 2011, 03:01:41 pm
    • Anyang
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2021, 12:23:43 pm »
Brilliant, you're actually going to support the company that made the decision to discontinue some of its own products. Literally rewarding the very people you're trying to punish.

Genius. The kind of stuff that satire can't even compete with.

Good point.  That's food for thought.  They caved, so why should they profit?


  • waygo0k
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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
    • Chungnam
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2021, 12:29:15 pm »
Never made that claim, but she's the one who made a big deal of it to get the ball rolling this time around.  You tried to claim that the estate of Dr. Seuss initiated this.  That was a lie. 

Did the point that a lot of white women seem to be the ones anointing themselves as protectors of the minorities that are fully capable of speaking up for themselves strike a nerve?

People have been making a "big deal" of it for decades.

You just either didn't know, didn't care enough to know...or knew and still didn't give a shit regardless.

Do  you really think "minorities" haven't been voicing their criticisms of the racist caricature? Or is it more of a "how dare this white woman side with the 'Minorities'?!?!" schtick you're aiming for?


  • fka
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1140

    • September 05, 2019, 06:37:44 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2021, 12:37:38 pm »
Good point.  That's food for thought.  They caved, so why should they profit?

I'm guessing they're going to make a lot of profit from people who just heard the word "cancel" and exploded into some kind unconsidered reaction like the OP's.


  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2021, 12:41:20 pm »
Cancel culture has been around forever and will be around forever.
Christianity was spread via cancel culture, Abolitionism was spread through cancel culture, Prohibition was spread by cancel culture. Think of the ruckuss made over DnD, Heavy Metal, Ouija boards: all of that was a form of cancel culture.

Not surprising, the same rhetoric that you used in the quoted bit was used in each case by those opposing social change. Thankfully, Orwell's 1984 never came to pass, I sincerely hope that it remains that way.

   In todays world, mass media and social media have become excellent platforms for cancel culture, which is why it seems so much pervasive now than back before FB et al. It would be interesting to see if there could be some objective study done comparing the incidence of cancellations between then and now. I suspect that there won't be a huge difference.

Welcome to the brave new world, boss... same as the old one.  :undecided:

Old one never meant losing your job and having people show up at your doorstep with a mob trying to kill you.  Those old Christians from the 1960's era never killed you or sent you to jail.  It's not the same at all.  Saying the slightest thing even if it's not what you actually said but was misunderstood or words twisted against you to be, then you're gone.  Today cancel, losing job, being doxxed by the mob, violently attakced.  Tomorrow laws passed due to their pressure and you are off to prison and re education (I want to say 10 to 15 years away but could arrive sooner).  State survelence is not that far off and 1984 is not just going to be fiction.  This near form of facism is very real and very scary.  Flush the Constitution and freedom down the toilet.  It will be a memory.  Already history is trying to be rewritten.  George Washington is a facist now and Abraham Lincoln is being cancelled (IE He doesn't exist anymore).  If you really can't see the danger and the snowball effect here, heaven help you.  Heaven help us all.  It will take a miracle to get out of this. 


  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Purchasing Dr. Seuss books for school library-fighting cancel culture
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2021, 12:43:56 pm »
As opposed to your daddy/master promising to make you great again!



Economy was trash under Obama.  Slowest recovery on record with lots of people falling behind.  Biden is off to an even worse start.  Trump economy had the best economic growth in years where folks actually felt it in their wallets (until covid was released onto the world).  Either way, it's all a money printing fake fiat bubble that will burst anyways.  Most folks will be screwed anyhow.