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  • VanIslander
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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2021, 01:39:09 pm »
Scientists widely claim the likelihood of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

The odds that life ONLY developed on this one planet in the billions of galaxies is absurd (unless you take a religious view).

Now, thinking other intelligent life forms found their way to earth and are hiding from us is... like lizard talk.

As for vaccines, the safety of ones developed decades ago has nothing to do with the RISKS/safety of a rushed vaccine by competing pharmaceutical companies under time pressure to rush to market a product worth billions of dollars in sales to governments. The SHORT-TERM side effects may have been assessed, but the LONG-TERM effects haven't.

 A product that didn't exist six months ago is NOT being injected into my bloodstream.

I will wait one year at least and see what subsequent studies show in terms of efficacy and effects.

In the meantime, get into the sunshine more often. The link between VITAMIN D and COVID-19 recovery rates is strengthening. Google it.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2021, 01:46:42 pm by VanIslander »


  • raycar
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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2021, 07:12:54 am »
yep
« Last Edit: March 05, 2021, 10:28:03 am by raycar »


  • Kyndo
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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2021, 08:16:42 am »
    It's often because the people pushing conspiracy theories either don't understand the science behind something, or because they deliberately misconstrue it to push their own agendas.
    A big problem with things like vaccines is that the science behind them is very complicated. People who don't specialize in that particular field don't want complicated: they want information that they can easily parse, which is occasionally just not possible.
 
   An additional problem is that often scientific results become politicized. The vast majority of people who specialize in the field will all agree that anthropogenic climate change is a very real phenomenon. This has been a pretty uncontroversial scientific consensus for decades. However, governments (and industries with considerable lobbying power) didn't like this, as it would put pressure on them to actually do something about the situation, which would negatively affect their economic or political bottom line. A lot of money and influence was poured into manufacturing doubt and the result is the idiocy we still see today.
   
  Skepticism is healthy, and absolutely necessary to the scientific process, but when the skeptics are peddling their theories via youtube, blogs, and tabloids, one needs to be skeptical of the skeptics.


Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2021, 04:00:09 pm »
In a reasonable world, no one would have a problem with the measles vaccine but would understand why people are leery of a vaccine hastily developed by the same people who have given us various failed medications such as Vioxx.


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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2021, 05:43:53 pm »
The vaccines work,

https://www.ft.com/content/20576254-422b-4545-91ab-20b4d005bbf3

As the percentage of Americans vaccinated has been growing, the number of new COVID infections there has been falling.


  • VanIslander
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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2021, 06:14:15 pm »
The vaccines work,

https://www.ft.com/content/20576254-422b-4545-91ab-20b4d005bbf3

As the percentage of Americans vaccinated has been growing, the number of new COVID infections there has been falling.
NEWSFLASH: Correlation is now causation!


Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2021, 07:18:38 pm »
The vaccines work,

https://www.ft.com/content/20576254-422b-4545-91ab-20b4d005bbf3

As the percentage of Americans vaccinated has been growing, the number of new COVID infections there has been falling.
And your explanation for infections falling in Korea, which hasn't had the same number of vaccinations, is...?

I mean, I don't doubt that the vaccines work or that they have contributed, but this is bad data interpretation.


  • raycar
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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2021, 07:46:37 pm »
ok




« Last Edit: March 05, 2021, 10:28:20 am by raycar »


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2021, 07:19:44 am »
Big payouts each time = a rare event. Not common at all.


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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2021, 08:53:28 am »
Correlation is now causation!

Correlation is now causation?

I agree!


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2021, 09:23:00 am »
And your explanation for infections falling in Korea, which hasn't had the same number of vaccinations, is...?

I mean, I don't doubt that the vaccines work or that they have contributed, but this is bad data interpretation.

In Korea:

New virus cases still rising

http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210225000167

“the current virus situation is not improving”

(Korea has had zero vaccinations thus far. United States, over 65 million.)


  • VanIslander
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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2021, 10:16:34 am »
If A, then B.
Not B.
Therefore A.

LI, that ain't logic.
It's fallacious.


  • tylerthegloob
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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2021, 10:24:39 am »
my mans messed up his modus tollens
more gg more skill


Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2021, 10:29:27 am »
In Korea:

New virus cases still rising

http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210225000167

“the current virus situation is not improving”

(Korea has had zero vaccinations thus far. United States, over 65 million.)

Quote
Thursday's daily caseload marks a slight drop from 440 posted the previous day. The figures hovered above 600 last week before falling below 500 over the weekend and under 400 earlier this week on fewer tests.


  • Lazio
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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2021, 10:30:11 am »
In Korea:

New virus cases still rising

http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210225000167

“the current virus situation is not improving”

(Korea has had zero vaccinations thus far. United States, over 65 million.)

USA, late December daily new infections:  around 220.000. These days around 75.000. So roughly 34% of the cases compared to two months ago.

Korea, late December: 1000-1100.
Now around 400. So roughly 38% of the cases compared to 2 months ago.

34% vs. 38%
That is not a significant difference at all.


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2021, 10:53:03 am »
Vaccinations undoubtedly reduced the number of infections. So did Korea’s ban on more than 5 people together nationwide and Seoul closing everything at 9. Korea has a lot more mask wearing than the U.S. Well, the United States is gonna be rid of the coronavirus long before Korea, and that’s because of the head start on vaccinations. Vaccinations do in fact work. Living with restrictions for years is tiresome.


Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2021, 11:43:12 am »
Vaccinations undoubtedly reduced the number of infections. So did Korea’s ban on more than 5 people together nationwide and Seoul closing everything at 9. Korea has a lot more mask wearing than the U.S. Well, the United States is gonna be rid of the coronavirus long before Korea, and that’s because of the head start on vaccinations. Vaccinations do in fact work. Living with restrictions for years is tiresome.
No one is denying they do. What we are saying is that you can't simply declare the drop in cases to be because of vaccinations when there are drops in the same time period around the world, even in places there aren't vaccinations. You have to control for various factors and input more data to draw that conclusion.

I have no doubt that vaccines will show a substantial decrease in cases either for this period or in the future, but you didn't prove that and you relied on an abysmal interpretation of data to draw your conclusion.

It's the way you made your argument, not your argument itself. Try again and this time do a better job.


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2021, 01:37:07 pm »
No one is denying they do.

There was an anti-vaxxer post (which has been deleted) denying vaccinations reduce infection. (That is what I responded to.)


  • hangook77
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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2021, 08:49:03 pm »
I believe in vaccines, but these were developed quickly.  I would be curious to wait and see what the effects are and which one works best with minimal or no side effects. 


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Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2021, 01:39:39 am »
Millions of Israelis and millions of Americans already got the (American) vaccine. Virtually all had no side effects. No need to worry. No need to wait and see. It’ll be a long *** time before you’ll be able to get it in Korea anyways. By that time hundreds of millions of people around the world - maybe even a billion - will have gotten it.