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  • hangook77
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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2021, 01:59:00 pm »
This is true. Regardless of whether Trump deserves to be banned or not, America is definitely more corporatist than capitalist. Gov't has been slacking on breaking up monopolies as they should. Amazon got richer this year while continuing to kill small businesses at an accelerated rate due to covid.

How about corporations over a certain market value or capitalization (market value) move into a different tax bracket.  A higher corporate tax rate and more anti competitive regulations to follow once over a certain size nationally or internationally and perhaps a lower threshold if holding a monopoly in a small local region.  Incentivize breaking up into smaller entities.  No more of this too big to fail and no more of entire monopolies.  Perhaps excepts may still be allowed with some utilities, but everything else break up or just tax them much more to encourage volunatry break ups.  Corporations below a certain market value can pay a lower corporate tax rate.  (Though some joint ventures between smaller corporations could still be approved for a 5 or 10 year period if economies of scale are necessary to get a project off the ground.)  Also, higher tax rate for incomes over 5 million dollars, instead of proposed for 250,000 or 400,000 dollars or whatever it is nowadays.  The real rich, the millionaires and billionaires can pay a bit more since they seem to have money to spend on corruption and financing total government and corporate fascism.  Some traditional liberals and some new libertarian populists can forge a new ideology and a new party going forward.  Low taxes and simple regulations for the working guy (including upper middle class) and the small to medium sized companies.  Difficulty for too large of companies and monopolies. 

It seems big tech and big banks are conspiring together with the deep state to silence any voices of disagreement and to cancel people's lives.  It is a complete takeover and it is dangerous.  And to all the SJWs applauding this, don't be surprised once they turn on you too once your "useful idiot" status is no longer needed.  Once freedom is gone, it is hard to get it back. 

NO one should be banned including those for Trump and those against Trump. 


Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #101 on: January 12, 2021, 02:11:43 pm »
No, that's what you want the issue to be.  Most Americans don't like the idea of foreign countries poking their noses in American elections, especially if they try to sway the results, which is exactly and indisputably what Russia did.  As Republican-led Senate investigations found.  Period.
Most Americans are blissfully ignorant of the extent to which America has interfered in elections across the globe since the 1950s. They're also blissfully unaware to the extent we interfered in Russia's domestic politics. Finally they are unaware as to how ineffectual the Russian "interference" was, as are they blissfully unaware of the extent of Chinese, Saudi, and Israeli interference, which was surprisingly never addressed.

Any comments on that lack of interest in Chinese, Saudi, and Israeli interference Mr. C?

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And the fact is, as far as criminal collusion, the jury is out on that, because there was so much obstruction, the investigation could never get to the bottom of it.
Or you can just use common sense. Common sense such as-
1) The lack of serious response by our allies. If Trump truly was in league with Russia, there would have been massive sanctions against Russia, a direct attempt to remove Trump, military alerts, etc. None of that happened.
2) The fact that American companies haven't embraced Russian firms for advertising.

But I understand how the easily duped would believe it was real. "Look this FBI big wig says its real. He says they spent MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! That makes it real and effective!"

Also, it was drummed up by the same crew involved in the Iraq War and domestic spying. Definitely a trustworthy cast of characters.

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But you don't really care about trying to overturn American democracy, whether its the Russian fascists or the Trump fascists.
Wrong. I believe that not ******** myself in fear and panic and falling for propaganda only the stupid would believe is safeguarding American democracy.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2021, 08:01:12 am by Kyndo »


Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #102 on: January 12, 2021, 02:48:41 pm »
Flipped how, exactly? Like Tyler said, a lot of us on the left do have concerns about monopolistic corporate power. Conversatives aren't offering constructive solutions to that by selectively complaining about censorship. I know it might look like we approve of such censorship if we don't speak out against it every time, but as I said, I have no expectation that a private enterprise is going elevate an abstract principle like free speech above what it perceives to be its own interests. Add that to the fact that erroneous content moderation accounts for a lot of this censorship, and basically you have a problem, but not the problem that conservatives have invented for their grievance strategy.
That's fine and I do think there are principled liberals on this board and you're absolutely right in your view of them as well as your critique of conservatives.

I also think a number of so-called liberals on this board are little more than tribalists and might as well be the other side of the hangook77 coin.


Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #103 on: January 12, 2021, 05:04:25 pm »
Sounds pretty run of the mill. The kind of story we yawn a.


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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2021, 05:14:44 pm »
That's fine and I do think there are principled liberals on this board and you're absolutely right in your view of them as well as your critique of conservatives.

I also think a number of so-called liberals on this board are little more than tribalists and might as well be the other side of the hangook77 coin.
That's fine and I do think there are principled liberals on this board and you're absolutely right in your view of them as well as your critique of conservatives.



Ah yes!  What liberal amongst us  could possibly turn our backs on that well cited principle of allowing one the  freedom to incite violence and insurrection!

 :laugh:







Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #105 on: January 13, 2021, 12:16:20 am »
To Mr. C: As a stereotypically polite Canadian, we did not make any attempt to tell others what to post---do not worry! The sentence "As we started this thread on the topic of Trump permanently banned from Twitter, we will try to keep our replies to Mr. DeMartino confined to this theme" actually only uses the highly formal "we," but the pronoun "we" doesn't refer to the entire community posting on this website. We use the pronoun "we" in the royal sense, as we are the very distant cousin of a margrave. The status doesn't do anything practical for us, but when we sit at some auction house tea gathering, the host will usually allow us to sit to his/her right---even if we are dressed in horrible clothing. This situation has happened a few times, and some rich and stuck-up people get upset because of that.

Now, moving to Dr. DeMartino's reply to our last post---if Russian interference seemed ineffective, then the argument could be made that only the sheer incompetence of actors on the side of the former North American colonies made it so. It reminds us of how the worst crime (from a humorous standpoint) of the Capitol insurrectionists was their utter stupidity in getting photographed while not wearing masks (and thus becoming more easily identifiable by law enforcement agencies). Anyway, just a question from our end to yours (just so that we can honestly discern the thought processes on your side): which punishment seems more detrimental to Trump's hopes of representing his followers---the suffocation of his media megaphones (Twitter, and so forth), or the second impeachment that may come his way this week?


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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #106 on: January 13, 2021, 01:42:17 am »
I think its hilarious both conservatives and liberals have completely flipped their positions on this thanks to Trump. No principles whatsoever, just pure Team.
So it wasn't Elizabeth Warren going after Facebook?


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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #107 on: January 19, 2021, 07:33:31 am »
"The tech giants essentially blamed Parler for the sickening attack on the United States Capitol and destroyed the entire platform as punishment. But anyone with a Facebook or Twitter account could tell you that Parler — social media’s new kid on the block — could not have been the sole facilitator of communication between rioters....

"Amazon, Apple and Google have long hosted websites and apps that exploit children, give dictators a platform, and allow other harmful, criminal behavior to go unchecked while arguing it’s not their job to edit the internet.

"Yet they ripped Parler from the face of the internet for failing to meet a standard to which no one else is held. Not only is this unfair, but it won't change anything....

"The rise and fall of Parler is a chilling lesson for small businesses everywhere: Amazon, Apple, and Google control access to the internet."
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2021/01/16/opinion-big-tech-parler-trick-pretend-content-moderation-matters/4178474001/

Is this a free market? It's certainly not a fair one.


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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #108 on: January 19, 2021, 07:49:42 am »
"The tech giants essentially blamed Parler for the sickening attack on the United States Capitol and destroyed the entire platform as punishment. But anyone with a Facebook or Twitter account could tell you that Parler — social media’s new kid on the block — could not have been the sole facilitator of communication between rioters....

"Amazon, Apple and Google have long hosted websites and apps that exploit children, give dictators a platform, and allow other harmful, criminal behavior to go unchecked while arguing it’s not their job to edit the internet.

"Yet they ripped Parler from the face of the internet for failing to meet a standard to which no one else is held. Not only is this unfair, but it won't change anything....

"The rise and fall of Parler is a chilling lesson for small businesses everywhere: Amazon, Apple, and Google control access to the internet."
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2021/01/16/opinion-big-tech-parler-trick-pretend-content-moderation-matters/4178474001/

Is this a free market? It's certainly not a fair one.

Parler has re-surfaced again on Russian servers. Enjoy your freedom, comrade!


  • T_Rex
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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #109 on: January 19, 2021, 08:04:50 am »
Parler has re-surfaced again on Russian servers. Enjoy your freedom, comrade!
Will it be reappearing in the Android and Apple app stores? I don't think so. It gets discriminated against for leaning libertarian and not being on board with the left wing agenda of the Dems, the tech giants, and the msm.


  • Kyndo
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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #110 on: January 19, 2021, 08:17:36 am »
I thought it was removed from those platforms for refusing to censor its content in the same way FB et al are required to?

Could you provide a link to a reputable source that cites different reasons? Because if the above is not the case, that would be something to be genuinely upset about.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #111 on: January 19, 2021, 08:24:04 am »
I thought it was removed from those platforms for refusing to censor its content in the same way FB et al are required to?
Knowing Parler, this is pretty likely to be the case
I think the more interesting question is why are they only dropping it now, seeing as the apps always been like that



  • T_Rex
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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #112 on: March 22, 2021, 09:48:39 am »
"Trump to redefine social media as he plans his return"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_8t9l6izbQ

Wow, the decision to ban Trump could end up really backfiring on leftists. Imagine millions leaving Twitter to join Trump's social media site. I wonder what he'll call it.


  • Kyndo
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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #113 on: March 22, 2021, 10:06:12 am »
"Twitterer"


  • OnNut81
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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #114 on: March 22, 2021, 11:21:57 am »
I think it's a safe bet that it will feature the name Trump name prominently, whatever it's called.  In fact, he could just call it Trumpeting.  Perfect. 


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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #115 on: March 22, 2021, 11:40:14 am »
Best news of the day!

Can't wait, I'll be on it as soon as it goes online.
Many millions of liberal clowns will be on as well to try and troll people.

Finally, we can hear more conservative voice on big tech.
Unfortunately this could hurt Parler, but we need more voices.


  • waygo0k
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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #116 on: March 22, 2021, 12:18:07 pm »
Parler version 2.

Totally NOT a place for white supremacist terrorists to congregate and share their hateful views/terrorist plans under the guise of freeze peach...thereby totally NOT being a goldmine for the FBI, CIA, NSA and other intelligence agencies.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2021, 12:22:17 pm by waygo0k »


  • Mr C
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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #117 on: March 22, 2021, 12:20:48 pm »
My suggestions for a name:
SewerMouth or ShitSpeak - a "tweet" on either of these could be called a turd
Covfefe
RussiaIfYoureListen ing
TheWhine
FactFreeZone

But this one ... seriously, is a goer:
BullyPulpit


  • hangook77
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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #118 on: March 22, 2021, 01:14:58 pm »
That's alright.  We have seen folks true colors now and they'll be kicked out of the house soon enough.  Twitter will become a has been set of losers as other media rises up to challenge them.  I hope they lose their whole paper fortune (market capitalization).


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Re: Trump permanently banned from twitter
« Reply #119 on: March 22, 2021, 01:27:31 pm »
i figure this prediction will go about as well as your "trump will reclaim the presidency" prediction went a few months ago
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