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  • OnNut81
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Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« on: January 06, 2021, 08:03:26 am »
I don't care where you fall on the political spectrum you can't not be embarrassed by the U.S. Congress's latest move to be inclusive.  They actually opened with a prayer that at the end concluded with Amen and Awomen.  Officials  in the U.S. congress actually think Amen is a gender based word.  That is just humiliating and frightening.  Feel free to look it up if you need to.  The moron congressmen is actually trying to defend it now. 


  • SPQR
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2021, 08:08:20 am »
America is a dysfunctional, retrograde theocracy that will soon be
eclipsed by China and then India.  It has already been overtaken
by the EU in metrics such as life expectancy, equality and the
"pursuit of happiness".


  • 745sticky
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2021, 08:12:59 am »
It's definitely pretty cringe. Reads like a headline off Babylon Bee. Reminds me of  the time a few of them (including Pelosi) wore kente cloth and knelt for 9 minutes. Good intentions, terrible optics.



  • Liechtenstein
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2021, 08:45:57 am »
A page from Justin's playbook: Peoplekind and more!


  • Mr C
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2021, 08:49:08 am »
Um, no. 

"I concluded with a light-hearted pun in recognition of the record number of women who will be representing the American people in Congress during this term as well as in recognition of the first female Chaplain of the House of Representatives, whose service commenced this week," said Mr Cleaver in a statement.
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  • 745sticky
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2021, 08:52:23 am »
It certainly sounds like a (bad) pun - precisely why I mentioned it reads like a Babylon Bee headline, haha.


  • oglop
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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2021, 09:00:03 am »
look, we should all just stop using words that have the words "men", "lad" or "sir" in them

i will be monitoring this from now on


  • oglop
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2021, 09:00:23 am »
It certainly sounds like a (bad) pun - precisely why I mentioned it reads like a Babylon Bee headline, haha.
please do not use the word "mention". it is sexist


  • OnNut81
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2021, 09:11:38 am »
Um, no. 

"I concluded with a light-hearted pun in recognition of the record number of women who will be representing the American people in Congress during this term as well as in recognition of the first female Chaplain of the House of Representatives, whose service commenced this week," said Mr Cleaver in a statement.

He's trying to walk it back because of backlash, but just watch the video.  He clearly was being serious and no one took it as a pun.  It was hardly the atmosphere for lightheartedness.  It's obvious watching it he was delivering it with an air of gravitas.  Justin Trudeau tried the same thing when he got called out for correcting someone by saying "peoplekind".  Tried to claim it was a joke when he got mocked for it.  Video again shows he was being completely serious, just like Mr. Cleaver. 


  • Kyndo
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2021, 09:14:54 am »
A page from Justin's playbook: Peoplekind and more!

I get that this is humour, but the argument for "peoplekind" does actually have some merit.

Etymologically, "mankind" is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "mann" (person) and 'cynd" (kin/sort/kind). "Mann" was actually a gender neutral term back in the day (the male human had the prefix "wępen", which refers to exactly what is sounds like it refers to  :laugh: , while the female human had the prefix "wif" whose meaning is also pretty obvious).

Linguistic drift has done away with wępenmann, leaving mann as the only word for male-person. However, mankind, which was also present in Anglo-saxon, did not catch the (linguistic) drift, and was left behind in a kind of semantic backwater. Updating the term to "personkind" would be consistent with the etymological changes to "man".

 


  • Mr C
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2021, 09:38:34 am »
He's trying to walk it back because of backlash, but just watch the video.  He clearly was being serious and no one took it as a pun.  It was hardly the atmosphere for lightheartedness.  It's obvious watching it he was delivering it with an air of gravitas.  Justin Trudeau tried the same thing when he got called out for correcting someone by saying "peoplekind".  Tried to claim it was a joke when he got mocked for it.  Video again shows he was being completely serious, just like Mr. Cleaver. 

Well, he wasn't "joking" and he didn't say it was a joke, so you've got that wrong.   He said it was a lighthearted pun, which is not the same as "joke".  Perhaps you've got other parts of it wrong, too. 
Mr. C is not a bad person, in fact is quite a good person here. One of the best people on this forum if you really look at it
-Mr.DeMartino


  • Mr C
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2021, 09:40:53 am »
I get that this is humour, but the argument for "peoplekind" does actually have some merit.

Etymologically, "mankind" is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "mann" (person) and 'cynd" (kin/sort/kind). "Mann" was actually a gender neutral term back in the day (the male human had the prefix "wępen", which refers to exactly what is sounds like it refers to  :laugh: , while the female human had the prefix "wif" whose meaning is also pretty obvious).

Linguistic drift has done away with wępenmann, leaving mann as the only word for male-person. However, mankind, which was also present in Anglo-saxon, did not catch the (linguistic) drift, and was left behind in a kind of semantic backwater. Updating the term to "personkind" would be consistent with the etymological changes to "man".

 

Did you know "girl" used to mean just "child".  A knave-girl was  a male child, a female child was a gay-girl.

Boy meant churl or servant.
Mr. C is not a bad person, in fact is quite a good person here. One of the best people on this forum if you really look at it
-Mr.DeMartino


  • 745sticky
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2021, 09:46:46 am »
Well, he wasn't "joking" and he didn't say it was a joke, so you've got that wrong.   He said it was a lighthearted pun, which is not the same as "joke".  Perhaps you've got other parts of it wrong, too.
This is possibly the most pedantic thing I've read on this website


  • fka
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2021, 10:12:59 am »
Old man misfires with cringeworthy pun.

This is big news.


  • CO2
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2021, 10:14:20 am »
I wasn't laughing, I was having a larf, jeez.
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


  • Kyndo
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2021, 10:14:25 am »
Did you know "girl" used to mean just "child".  A knave-girl was  a male child, a female child was a gay-girl.

Boy meant churl or servant.
I thought that origin of "gay" was the Germanic "gai" which meant "joyfull / carefree"? As for the rest, no I didn't. Pretty cool!
I like etymology. And entomology too, for that matter. It doesn't ...bug... me when people mix up their... meanings.  :wink:


  • Mr C
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2021, 10:20:33 am »
This is possibly the most pedantic thing I've read on this website
I call complete BS on that!.

Mr. C is not a bad person, in fact is quite a good person here. One of the best people on this forum if you really look at it
-Mr.DeMartino


  • 745sticky
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2021, 10:27:46 am »
I call complete BS on that!.
Well, I haven't been here too long, so I'm open to the possibility that there's plenty worse I haven't seen


  • Kyndo
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2021, 10:30:27 am »
Right! Don't be so quick to hand Mr. C that trophy when you haven't even seen the many outstanding efforts (if I don't say so myself) from the rest of us!  >:(


  • OnNut81
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Re: Amen and Awomen a new low for political correctness...
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2021, 10:58:26 am »
Well, he wasn't "joking" and he didn't say it was a joke, so you've got that wrong.   He said it was a lighthearted pun, which is not the same as "joke".  Perhaps you've got other parts of it wrong, too. 

Perhaps, but considering it comes on the back of Pelosi's stated goal to make gender neutral terms the standard, I'd say at best it was a big backfire.  That's just stoking the flames and poking a bear.  You know it's the kind of comment that is going to rile people.  But, for me, watching the video and his deliver,y and holding politicians of all stripes in low regards when it comes to forthrightness, I'm not buying the pun explanation.