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This only applies to teachers that have been around since pre-2011 and taught public school.

Nowadays, the songs are either lame ones made by whatever company made the song or people just using famous stuff.

The old ones had a strange charm to them. Same with the characters.  Well, except for them butchering Peter.


Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2020, 04:59:19 pm »
I still remember the lesson where one or two of the kids are on the swings at the playground and some guy comes up to them and asks directions. I remember because one of my kids yelled out "Byuntae!!!!" when that happened and I had to use every ounce of my composure not to laugh.


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Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2020, 06:14:04 pm »
korean public school ESL books are the worst ESL books ever made

change my mind


Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2020, 08:47:14 am »
korean public school ESL books are the worst ESL books ever made

change my mind
What would you do to make them better?

Not saying you're wholly wrong. While I'm nostalgic about the songs and unintentionally hilarious vids, I'm not so about the lessons.


Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2020, 08:51:57 am »
More than them I miss the Zeeto songs from 3rd and 4th. When I meet some of my old students they still remember "Oh no don't do that." Brings back good memories  :laugh:


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Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2020, 09:10:07 am »
This guy is a legend for making his own dance moves as an alternative to the ones in the CD-rom. I still use some of his other videos to this day. The kids throughout the years loved this guy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpMFl55nt5w&ab_channel=ArirangPodArirangPod


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Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2020, 09:17:15 am »
What would you do to make them better?

Not saying you're wholly wrong. While I'm nostalgic about the songs and unintentionally hilarious vids, I'm not so about the lessons.
focus on grammatical structures (form and function) or collocations or something actually useful rather than weird, set expressions.

there's barely any controlled practice activities in the books

there's barely any production activities in the books

there's barely any writing or reading to do in the books. actually, there's barely ANYTHING to do in the books. most is just wasted space

there isn't enough material in the books to fill a 40-minute class

why is there so much korean written in the books?

the vocabulary they use seems to repeat an incredible amount from grade  3-6

so much of the vocabulary they use doesn't even make sense or is wrong

get someone to proof-read the books before publication

if you are going to make a teacher guide, put activities or ideas that are actually useful and don't write activity (20 minutes) when, in fact, you can probably only stretch it to 3 minutes, tops

don't write how to pronounce the english sentences using hangeul sentences. 라이크 디스.

(this is just off the top of my head)


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Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2020, 09:40:17 am »
focus on grammatical structures (form and function) or collocations or something actually useful rather than weird, set expressions.

there's barely any controlled practice activities in the books

there's barely any production activities in the books

there's barely any writing or reading to do in the books. actually, there's barely ANYTHING to do in the books. most is just wasted space

there isn't enough material in the books to fill a 40-minute class

why is there so much korean written in the books?

the vocabulary they use seems to repeat an incredible amount from grade  3-6

so much of the vocabulary they use doesn't even make sense or is wrong

get someone to proof-read the books before publication

if you are going to make a teacher guide, put activities or ideas that are actually useful and don't write activity (20 minutes) when, in fact, you can probably only stretch it to 3 minutes, tops

don't write how to pronounce the english sentences using hangeul sentences. 라이크 디스.

(this is just off the top of my head)
ALL. OF. THIS.
I'm not sure how to stretch this material out to 40 , or even 30 minutes. I have my ways but man, it's getting old.
I am fresh out of ideas on how to keep the info interesting for 3rd and 4th grade. I mean we are on week 4 of who's she? she's my mom. don't get me started on the she's pretty stuff.
some, or a lot of the wording is just so unnatural to native speakers. "the sports day"?? what? it's just 'sports day'
"I took many pictures." WHAT? I took a lot of pictures.
the only thing the mask has helped my with is hiding my cringe when we have to say this stuff.


Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2020, 10:14:53 am »
focus on grammatical structures (form and function) or collocations or something actually useful rather than weird, set expressions.

there's barely any controlled practice activities in the books

there's barely any production activities in the books

there's barely any writing or reading to do in the books. actually, there's barely ANYTHING to do in the books. most is just wasted space

there isn't enough material in the books to fill a 40-minute class

why is there so much korean written in the books?

the vocabulary they use seems to repeat an incredible amount from grade  3-6

so much of the vocabulary they use doesn't even make sense or is wrong

get someone to proof-read the books before publication

if you are going to make a teacher guide, put activities or ideas that are actually useful and don't write activity (20 minutes) when, in fact, you can probably only stretch it to 3 minutes, tops

don't write how to pronounce the english sentences using hangeul sentences. 라이크 디스.

(this is just off the top of my head)
Bear in mind this is for every 3rd-6th grader in the nation of all abilities and aptitudes, 3rd and 4th grade being taught by a non-native homeroom teacher of limited English aptitude in Nowhere, Gangwon-do.

As for repetitive vocab, you kind of need that with students of wildly varying aptitude and interest

I do agree it's a little thin at times. I always managed but it wasn't always easy. The activities weren't 3 minutes, but they certainly weren't 20 either.

From what I gather, and this is just my impression, the goal was to teach the kids some basic phrases they might need to know if Korea again became a war zone/armed camp. They seem disproportionately concerned with directions, commerce, and sustenance. Obviously there's some lighter fare, but you definitely see the 1960-1980s mentality present.

Sort of like how Sports Day and the various exercises look designed, at least in part, for military purposes and a way to keep kids calm while marching them off to evacuation trucks.

The books needed a substantial overhaul for the modern era. This isn't the Cold War anymore and tech has leveled things out tremendously. But I think one also has to take into consideration the context involved in the books.


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Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2020, 11:15:45 am »
Bear in mind this is for every 3rd-6th grader in the nation of all abilities and aptitudes, 3rd and 4th grade being taught by a non-native homeroom teacher of limited English aptitude in Nowhere, Gangwon-do.
doesn't mean you can't have books with simple but effective content
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As for repetitive vocab, you kind of need that with students of wildly varying aptitude and interest
teaching words like "ball" or "doll" for 4 years in a row isn't necessary
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I do agree it's a little thin at times. I always managed but it wasn't always easy. The activities weren't 3 minutes, but they certainly weren't 20 either.
i generally never used these activity ideas because they weren't very useful or effective, anyway

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From what I gather, and this is just my impression, the goal was to teach the kids some basic phrases they might need to know if Korea again became a war zone/armed camp. They seem disproportionately concerned with directions, commerce, and sustenance. Obviously there's some lighter fare, but you definitely see the 1960-1980s mentality present.

Sort of like how Sports Day and the various exercises look designed, at least in part, for military purposes and a way to keep kids calm while marching them off to evacuation trucks.

The books needed a substantial overhaul for the modern era. This isn't the Cold War anymore and tech has leveled things out tremendously. But I think one also has to take into consideration the context involved in the books.
right. so they are 50 years out of date and full of useless information

the publishers for the cheonjae book even came to my old school. we (several native teachers and the korean english teachers) sat down with them for an hour and explained what we though they could improve. when the new version came out next year....nothing had changed. in fact, it was somehow worse.


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Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2020, 12:21:36 pm »
the publishers for the cheonjae book even came to my old school. we (several native teachers and the korean english teachers) sat down with them for an hour and explained what we though they could improve. when the new version came out next year....nothing had changed. in fact, it was somehow worse.
why am I NOT surprised. we truly live in the upside down.


Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2020, 11:12:07 am »
the publishers for the cheonjae book even came to my old school. we (several native teachers and the korean english teachers) sat down with them for an hour and explained what we though they could improve. when the new version came out next year....nothing had changed. in fact, it was somehow worse.
This assumes you were the only group they hot input from or that any other group they talked to said the same thing.

Somewhat more likely is after they met you, they went to other schools and someone said something completely different. Maybe not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Also, wasn't Cheonjae considered superior to YBM and one of the other ones? I never used it so it might well be a hot mess, but it could well have been comparatively better.

If that's the case and they were getting good sales and schools switching to them, then it makes sense business wise to stick with what they have, especially considering costs.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2020, 11:15:09 am by Mr.DeMartino »


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Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2020, 11:46:21 am »
Thank god they mostly took the songs out of the middle school books. The second they step through the doors of their middle schools the "I'm too cool for songs." switches on for them.


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Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2020, 04:29:15 pm »
This assumes you were the only group they hot input from or that any other group they talked to said the same thing.

Somewhat more likely is after they met you, they went to other schools and someone said something completely different. Maybe not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Also, wasn't Cheonjae considered superior to YBM and one of the other ones? I never used it so it might well be a hot mess, but it could well have been comparatively better.

If that's the case and they were getting good sales and schools switching to them, then it makes sense business wise to stick with what they have, especially considering costs.
of course. but if they talked to anyone with any sense, other groups would have said the same thing. i just cannot believe that at the point of publication they said "yes. this is a great final product"

the ybm book was equally bad. they all are. that's my point


Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2020, 01:13:12 pm »
of course. but if they talked to anyone with any sense, other groups would have said the same thing. i just cannot believe that at the point of publication they said "yes. this is a great final product"

the ybm book was equally bad. they all are. that's my point
YBM was a special hell.

I don't know if other groups would have said the same thing or not. If another school is seeing good results, they might not be as critical of the content. And again, it sounds like an easy thing to do in theory- Make a general education English book, but it is not that easy in practice. You will always be making tradeoffs. That's not to say the books couldn't have been improved, but I think you have to remember that this is for teaching ALL kids of ALL ability levels. This includes kids who cannot read English and have zero grasp of the Roman alphabet. I think you may be underestimating how overwhelming this can be for some rural 3rd grader of average to below-average intelligence. Heck, even intelligent kids who aren't great at language can have trouble.

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right. so they are 50 years out of date and full of useless information
Yes, but well, given the erratic behavior of their neighbor to the North and various economic swings, it is not surprising they kept the undercurrent of emphasis on certain English situations.

I think the big flaw with the books is not the main books, but a lack of a supplementary workbook. I think that could have alleviated a lot of the problems while still allowing for it to be taught to the entirety of the elementary school population.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2020, 01:16:55 pm by Mr.DeMartino »


Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2020, 01:54:38 pm »
Yes, I too miss Zeeto.  But I find Jello (in Cheonjae books) is fine. 

I didn't like the TomTom and Bandi (in Daekyo a few years ago) as they taught it is OK to bully or be mean to someone who is naughty! ie laugh when TomTom (the fly) has bad things happen to him - I cringed inwardly whenever that happened.  I even brought it up once with the students asking if it is OK to laugh at TomTom when something bad happened to him.  (Some teachers didn't want me to do that.)  With Zeeto and Jello everyone laughed/laughs along together - much friendlier.

I mostly enjoy the songs and chants for these books (Cheonjae grade 3 and 4) and the students do too.  When the students know the tune it makes it easier for them to learn the songs.  With the grades 5 and 6 (YBM) is is harder with some chants and songs but others are OK - a bit more 'hit and miss'


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Re: Anyone kinda bummed the Nami, Kevin, Peter, and Jinho songs are gone?
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2020, 10:55:24 am »
YBM was a special hell.

I don't know if other groups would have said the same thing or not. If another school is seeing good results, they might not be as critical of the content. And again, it sounds like an easy thing to do in theory- Make a general education English book, but it is not that easy in practice. You will always be making tradeoffs. That's not to say the books couldn't have been improved, but I think you have to remember that this is for teaching ALL kids of ALL ability levels. This includes kids who cannot read English and have zero grasp of the Roman alphabet. I think you may be underestimating how overwhelming this can be for some rural 3rd grader of average to below-average intelligence. Heck, even intelligent kids who aren't great at language can have trouble.
Yes, but well, given the erratic behavior of their neighbor to the North and various economic swings, it is not surprising they kept the undercurrent of emphasis on certain English situations.

I think the big flaw with the books is not the main books, but a lack of a supplementary workbook. I think that could have alleviated a lot of the problems while still allowing for it to be taught to the entirety of the elementary school population.
a lot of problems would be fixed it they could make a good english book. this would be good for korean teachers who aren't confident in their ability, too. a workbook would certainly solve these issues. however, the govt seems to have an idea that young kids shouldn't do much reading or writing in english, which is of course utter nonsense.

there's no point having these weird set phrases like "where are you going?" "i'm going to buy ice cream" if the students don't understand its usage and aren't taught how to make their own sentences. the books seem to teach that there's always an answer to a question, rather than teaching communication. that's why you have kids saying "i'm fine thank you, and you?" every single time after being asked "how are you?", even if they are quite clearly crying or upset.

the Oxford Discover books are an example about how to make a decent book for young learners. they aren't perfect, but they are well-structured and USEFUL to learning.