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  • oglop
  • The Legend

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Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2020, 08:16:19 pm »
actually, thinking about it, i'd argue because of internet/porn, it's better to teach sex-ed at school than ever before. at least how the porn you watch is not (probably) a representation of normal sex etc

although we all know porn is banned here so i guess nobody has ever seen porn in this country, right?


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2020, 08:18:11 pm »
actually, thinking about it, i'd argue because of internet/porn, it's better to teach sex-ed at school than ever before. at least how the porn you watch is not (probably) a representation of normal sex etc

although we all know porn is banned here so i guess nobody has ever seen porn in this country, right?

lol, illegal? It's available on the TV movie channel for free......even young kids could figure out how to turn it on


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2020, 08:18:59 pm »
My husband may not be the best example, but he believed (after talking to a dr about it) that the HPV vaccine "protects you from all damage from sex." so he got the vaccine.....

Sounds better than “I don’t want to” when explaining away condom non-usage.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2020, 08:26:55 pm by Don Hobak »


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2020, 08:24:31 pm »
although we all know porn is banned here so i guess nobody has ever seen porn in this country, right?

Not unless you have a hip, cosmopolitan urologist.


  • oglop
  • The Legend

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Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2020, 08:39:19 am »
lol, illegal? It's available on the TV movie channel for free......even young kids could figure out how to turn it on
no way. i don't believe it


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2020, 08:41:39 am »
The stuff on TV is pretty mild here. You can't show penises or vaginas. So............... yeah. If you're learning from that you'll just frottage your partner like an insane person.  hahahaha
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2020, 11:49:22 am »
no way. i don't believe it

Sorry, can't tell if it's sarcasm but yeah...the movie channels for both lg and kt had free movies each month and one of them was always an adult movie


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2020, 12:48:40 pm »
Sounds better than “I don’t want to” when explaining away condom non-usage.
It could well be ignorance, but not understanding condoms is one of those things you'd have to be born under a rock not to get. I think ol hubby up to no good is a far more plausible explanation, especially considering his track record.

It's not like there's zero sex ed in Korean schools or a lack of info out there. And him claiming a doctor gave him such advice is dubious. However there is a track record of the guy being a manipulative controlling sack of shit and some lie about STD stuff seems in character.

If my SO ever told me such a convoluted tale I'd get myself screened for STDs, hire a PI and call my lawyer.


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Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2020, 12:52:06 pm »
"sex ed is not important" is my personal least favorite DM take
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Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2020, 12:59:47 pm »
"sex ed is not important" is my personal least favorite DM take

Of all his takes, this seems like one of the stranger ones


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #50 on: December 09, 2020, 01:10:24 pm »
"sex ed is not important" is my personal least favorite DM take

i suppose contrarianism can only get you so far


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #51 on: December 09, 2020, 01:23:22 pm »
It could well be ignorance, but not understanding condoms is one of those things you'd have to be born under a rock not to get. I think ol hubby up to no good is a far more plausible explanation, especially considering his track record.

It's not like there's zero sex ed in Korean schools or a lack of info out there. And him claiming a doctor gave him such advice is dubious. However there is a track record of the guy being a manipulative controlling sack of shit and some lie about STD stuff seems in character.

If my SO ever told me such a convoluted tale I'd get myself screened for STDs, hire a PI and call my lawyer.

Although it does seem in character, I really don't think he understood........I was once at a dr app and he happened to be there and the dr mentioned in both korean and English that it wasn't my fault, nor was there anything to be done about such a situation, it would have happened prior to birth, but he still thought that it was because I did/ didn't do something and that I could change it....I don't know that I believe that particular dr about the situation anyway because no other dr made any mention that it could exist, but that's neither here nor there......


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #52 on: December 09, 2020, 01:24:50 pm »
"sex ed is not important" is my personal least favorite DM take
More like functionally irrelevant. Aside from basic anatomy and some minimal disease awareness, its actual impact on outcomes is dubious at best. Sure it IS better than nothing, but the amount of emphasis placed on it vs. the impact it has on people's decisions is way out of whack. Both the right and left think Sex Ed is this big powerful thing and it isn't.  Media, internet and peers are wayyyyy more influential.

The left makes the classic mistake of- "If people just had more education, they'd think and behave a certain way!" while the right thinks that the school teaching 6 year olds what an ovary is will somehow turn them into sex-crazed perverts. The reason someone doesn't want to f*ck with a condom on isn't because they had bad sex ed class in high school or no sex ed in elementary school. It's because they don't give a f at the moment and it feels better without one. It's because they're f*ing horny. It's because they watch porn and sex scenes in movies and no one is wearing condoms. "Ohh gee, if we just had an extra bunch of sex ed classes and explained condoms for the 20th time and handed out more cucumbers for them to handle, this would have all been prevented!" is the dumbest take imaginable.

I mean look at the near-constant use of condoms amongst the gay population, clearly sex ed works.  :rolleyes:

In most cases, it is safe to assume ignorance instead of malice or whatever, not with sex. People are going to do what they do.

I mean, you do realize that a certain % of kids just go complete zombie and try to mentally block sex ed, right? They find the class extremely awkward and uncomfortable for whatever reason. Same as any other class. A certain % will always shut down.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2020, 01:27:04 pm by Mr.DeMartino »


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2020, 01:29:43 pm »
Although it does seem in character, I really don't think he understood........I was once at a dr app and he happened to be there and the dr mentioned in both korean and English that it wasn't my fault, nor was there anything to be done about such a situation, it would have happened prior to birth, but he still thought that it was because I did/ didn't do something and that I could change it....I don't know that I believe that particular dr about the situation anyway because no other dr made any mention that it could exist, but that's neither here nor there......
Well I don;t know your husband, but I do know manipulative pieces of shit, and I know that in that situation they'll take anything and try to twist it against someone, regardless of what science or professionals say. It's just a tool for them to emotionally rope-a-dope people with.

Anyways, glad you're leaving him. Stay strong.


  • tylerthegloob
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Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2020, 01:36:14 pm »
I mean, you do realize that a certain % of kids just go complete zombie and try to mentally block sex ed, right? They find the class extremely awkward and uncomfortable for whatever reason. Same as any other class. A certain % will always shut down.
yes lets stop teaching all the classes because a certain % will shut down. hwat does this part have to do with anything at all? and all i got from the rest of your post is that your sex ed classes were really bad
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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
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Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2020, 01:43:32 pm »
The left makes the classic mistake of- "If people just had more education, they'd think and behave a certain way!" while the right thinks that the school teaching 6 year olds what an ovary is will somehow turn them into sex-crazed perverts.

I don't think anyone in this thread is approaching sex ed through this weird political lens you've come up with, we're all (mostly) normal here.

 


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2020, 01:44:09 pm »

I guess what I meant in my original question/statement was that I feel people know little about how pregnancy works specifically (guess I could have been more specific) and of course STDs....yeah it seems pointless because people do learn a lot from others rather than from a school desk and teacher and yeah it's awkward .....and of course in the moment it would seem that most throw that out the window anyway, but I just want to do a facepalm when I hear people incorrectly describing how pregnancy happens or getting angry when their expectation of this or that timeline for it doesn't work out........ also personally like I don't want to be asked why I'm so tired all the time (especially around that time) and oh but it should only be this long and blah blah, especially coming from men.....but each person is different and it's not easy for others to really compare one woman to another on these matters, but I hear it all the time. .....oh, look at so and so they got pregnant so quickly and so did so and so....so why haven't you?

Like I mentioned somewhere else.....personally I'm not jealous or waiting for pregnancy because it's not something I want right now, but I really hate all the comparisons and misinformation I hear.....

Just today my coteacher asked if I was on birth control............ ....like wtf is that and why is it your business?


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2020, 01:52:41 pm »
yes lets stop teaching all the classes because a certain % will shut down. hwat does this part have to do with anything at all? and all i got from the rest of your post is that your sex ed classes were really bad
Not bad, just ineffective relative to the amount of attention, resources, and expectations of success placed on them. They should be little more than the equivalent of a once-a-year class you do at a workplace, strictly for liability purposes so that when your employees do f up, you can absolve yourself of liability, which is pretty much what they are. They're a way for parents to outsource their own parenting to the schools and then when their kids f up, they can lie to themselves and either blame the school or say "we did everything". They're a way for parents who are watching their kid growing up and jacking off into his socks that mom washes or daughter going down the path of rebellion and for them to emotionally cope with the whole thing and pretend what is really happening isn't happening and won't happen to them.

If it was real education it would at least try to acknowledge where kids are getting most of their information and what is actually influencing them and be realistic about what is going on. But it isn't. It's at best a well-intentioned fail with a few redeeming elements. At worst, it's a political football that is glorified theater. It's just a big fake show for appearances.

As far as I see it, sex ed should be cut down to essentially "Reproductive Cycle+Sexually Transmitted Diseases in Humans+Kids Don't Get Snatched" and left at that and not treated as a big deal. Any expectations beyond some really basic understanding of those concepts are ridiculous. Expecting class to ensure that kids will practice safe sex or whatever is beyond its purview.

But parents and teachers don't want that. They want their comfortable lie. You don't believe me? Some of you are parents. Go to a PTA meeting and talk real about sex and what kids are up to. See what kind of reaction you get. An entire room of people in fing denial about what is going on. You think much legitimate education is coming out of that?


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Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2020, 01:57:31 pm »
Not bad, just ineffective relative to the amount of attention, resources, and expectations of success placed on them. They should be little more than the equivalent of a once-a-year class you do at a workplace, strictly for liability purposes so that when your employees do f up, you can absolve yourself of liability, which is pretty much what they are. They're a way for parents to outsource their own parenting to the schools and then when their kids f up, they can lie to themselves and either blame the school or say "we did everything". They're a way for parents who are watching their kid growing up and jacking off into his socks that mom washes or daughter going down the path of rebellion and for them to emotionally cope with the whole thing and pretend what is really happening isn't happening and won't happen to them.

If it was real education it would at least try to acknowledge where kids are getting most of their information and what is actually influencing them and be realistic about what is going on. But it isn't. It's at best a well-intentioned fail with a few redeeming elements. At worst, it's a political football that is glorified theater. It's just a big fake show for appearances.

As far as I see it, sex ed should be cut down to essentially "Reproductive Cycle+Sexually Transmitted Diseases in Humans+Kids Don't Get Snatched" and left at that and not treated as a big deal. Any expectations beyond some really basic understanding of those concepts are ridiculous. Expecting class to ensure that kids will practice safe sex or whatever is beyond its purview.

But parents and teachers don't want that. They want their comfortable lie. You don't believe me? Some of you are parents. Go to a PTA meeting and talk real about sex and what kids are up to. See what kind of reaction you get. An entire room of people in fing denial about what is going on. You think much legitimate education is coming out of that?

I'd like to hear more about this. The adventures of DMart.


Re: Answers to burning questions we have about Korea
« Reply #59 on: December 09, 2020, 02:07:19 pm »
This is both what DMart’s sex ed teacher looked like, and what DMart himself looks like at PTA meetings, which is when he stops being polite, and starts getting Real.

« Last Edit: December 09, 2020, 02:10:00 pm by Don Hobak »