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  • OnNut81
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1822

    • April 01, 2011, 03:01:41 pm
    • Anyang
Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2021, 09:47:10 am »
Well I must admit it wouldn't be a very inspiring management decision.

'Now we need someone with patience and understanding to babysit all the Waygooks in the office who can't speak Korean or use the latest phone aps. How about Martin?'

Does Martino even speak Korean?  I mean he'll probably come along now and claim he's fluent, but in truth world, I don't think he speaks the tongue of those he defends so tirelessly. 


Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2021, 11:33:26 am »
Doesn't make it right, especially when that teacher is assigned the duty to help the foreign teacher. It's part of the job they're being paid to do. If those handlers can't be bothered to make a phone call on their NETs behalf, then they're literally not doing their job.
   
   It's something like a shift manager not bothering to tell the new employee how to operate the deep fryer. Not only is it lazy and unprofessional, it's also counterproductive.
   I was a regional coordinator for a couple years in Japan, and there were a *lot* of dumb questions, but answering them was part of the job.
  Understanding that they're not necessarily dumb questions/problems to the person asking was definitely key to becoming a better coordinator! (I mean, I was still sarcastic and snarky, but I was *sympathetically* sarcastic and snarky :smiley: ).
Of course you help but at some point you gave to take off the training wheels and the cubs have to learn how to figure things out for themselves.

Long-term people need to learn not to be dependent. If you ask for help as a last, rather than a first resort, you will develop the ability to use things.

Heck, just look on here when someone was told about John Cook deli meat and they got frustrated and just gave up after 30 seconds. Obviously they had trouble developing the skill of patiently working through a difficult problem on their own. The better thing for this person wouldn't be to help them, but to tell them "Get it done. Do it yourself. You WILL accomplish this task and I expect it to be accomplished."


Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2021, 11:35:12 am »
I like how you assume the worst of us while giving everyone else massive benefit of the doubt
Didn't people do that here, just the other way around? Also, I put in qualifiers to make it clear I wasn't talking about everyone.


Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2021, 11:37:38 am »
Agreed. If it's just some random guy in the office who's unhelpful  fine you won't ask them for help again. If it's someone's specific role in their job description, that's a different matter. I guess problems arise when someone with an attitude problem, like DM,  gets assigned a role to help people unofficially or against their will and ends up resenting it.  Makes you wonder what these people are like as teachers though, considering virtually their entire job day in day out is to help people with stuff they probably should have spent more of their own time trying to get the hang of .
Giving people the answer rather than making it clear when they should be able to solve the problem on their own and not accepting whining or laziness or using others to make your life easier at the expense of theirs are boundaries teachers should set.


Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2021, 11:44:07 am »
Come on, do you actually believe DMart had that role?  Not for a second do I buy that.  Just trying to bolster his argument with his usual horsesh*t.  He was king of that on Dave's Cafe.  Whatever the discussion topic was he either had personal experience in the field or had a close relative that was a pilot, banker, union activist, bookie, CEO, male escort etc.  It's why he can be so entertaining and never gets the boot.  Truth is no barrier for him to hold court on any given topic. 
That role in ESL? No, but I can empathize with those that have because I see them deal with it. In other jobs? Yes, I have.

You know both Captain Corea and recently Mr. C made the same claim that I was bsing about knowing X or having done Y. CC was given my facebook deets in PM, never made the claim again after that. Likewise with Mr. C (on that issue- He still thinks I'm full of it on plenty else! :smiley:)

Just because your upbringing and life events were a certain way, doesnt mean others were.


Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2021, 11:45:02 am »
Does Martino even speak Korean?  I mean he'll probably come along now and claim he's fluent, but in truth world, I don't think he speaks the tongue of those he defends so tirelessly. 
My Korean is shit. Never claimed otherwise.


Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2021, 11:46:08 am »
Well I must admit it wouldn't be a very inspiring management decision.

'Now we need someone with patience and understanding to babysit all the Waygooks in the office who can't speak Korean or use the latest phone aps. How about Martin?'
What? As opposed to your scintillating personality which has drawn rave reviews here on waygook.org?


  • Kyndo
  • Moderator LVL 1

    • 1972

    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
    • Gyeongsangbuk-do
Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2021, 12:02:34 pm »
Of course you help but at some point you gave to take off the training wheels and the cubs have to learn how to figure things out for themselves.

Long-term people need to learn not to be dependent. If you ask for help as a last, rather than a first resort, you will develop the ability to use things.

True, but keep in mind that the majority of NETs in Korea are first-timers, turn-over being what it is. Most aren't here long enough to have their training wheels torn off. Which means that the same problems keep coming up over and over and over again.   :undecided:


  • stoat
  • The Legend

    • 2087

    • March 05, 2019, 06:36:13 pm
    • seoul
Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2021, 12:18:28 pm »
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Of course you help but at some point you gave to take off the training wheels and the cubs have to learn how to figure things out for themselves

Depends whether it's part of their job description or not and whether they've been trained to do it. An IT guy responsible for troubleshooting can't tell an employee they should have learned how to install a new printer in their free time so he doesn't have to do it for them. Unless it's in their job description or they've had training. Similarly a KET can't turn round and tell a NET their Korean should be good enough to phone immigration or whatever if they've had no Korean lessons provided by the school and it wasn't part of their job requirements. 


  • stoat
  • The Legend

    • 2087

    • March 05, 2019, 06:36:13 pm
    • seoul
Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2021, 01:14:25 pm »
What? As opposed to your scintillating personality which has drawn rave reviews here on waygook.org?

Is there a review section on here, must have missed that. Is it a bit like this?

DeMartino's treatment of the sensitive statue issue was particularly insightful, can't wait for the next installment.

****

Has Mayorhaggar's White Supremacist series finally jumped the shark? 

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Aristocrat's new gym ramble splendidly re-defines egocentricity.   

*****


  • tylerthegloob
  • The Legend

    • 2061

    • September 28, 2016, 10:46:24 am
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Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2021, 01:56:46 pm »
ooooh do one for gloob @stoat
more gg more skill


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 2498

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2021, 02:10:41 pm »
Is there a review section on here, must have missed that. Is it a bit like this?

DeMartino's treatment of the sensitive statue issue was particularly insightful, can't wait for the next installment.

****

Has Mayorhaggar's White Supremacist series finally jumped the shark? 

*

Aristocrat's new gym ramble splendidly re-defines egocentricity.   

*****

*cough*

Mr. C is not a bad person, in fact is quite a good person here. One of the best people on this forum if you really look at it


  • stoat
  • The Legend

    • 2087

    • March 05, 2019, 06:36:13 pm
    • seoul
Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2021, 02:14:51 pm »
ooooh do one for gloob @stoat

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hey man dont forget to worry about the things that could go wrong ON thursday. did u see that flight over colorado where the engine caught fire? so don't worry mister t, there's always something to worry about

Here's one from the daily Mail  :laugh:

Is woke education responsible for the way young people write today?

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Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2021, 02:47:51 pm »
*cough*

Mr. C is not a bad person, in fact is quite a good person here. One of the best people on this forum if you really look at it

Pay no heed to being snubbed by the Rotten Kimchi peanut gallery. The ratings of Top Critics such as myself are all that count and I stand by my accolades. 


Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2021, 03:02:42 pm »
I've never been the type to ask people for help, so, I can't draw from too many personal experiences. I can only comment on culture. get-vidmate.com instasave.onl
 
« Last Edit: February 24, 2021, 01:50:19 pm by feedtaletwo »


  • Kyndo
  • Moderator LVL 1

    • 1972

    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
    • Gyeongsangbuk-do
Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #75 on: February 24, 2021, 08:04:44 am »
I've never been the type to ask people for help, so, I can't draw from too many personal experiences. I can only comment on culture.
I know, right?
My tried and true tactic is to make such a huge mess of things that it's clear to everybody around me that if somebody doesn't quickly step in and volunteer assistance, the whole darn boat will sink.  :smiley:


  • 745sticky
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1226

    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
    • Korea
Re: People reacting rudely when you ask for help
« Reply #76 on: February 24, 2021, 08:24:51 am »
Didn't people do that here, just the other way around? Also, I put in qualifiers to make it clear I wasn't talking about everyone.
i disagree with them too, but other posters have already given them a reasonable enough refutation