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  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 3680

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2020, 12:10:28 pm »
Iím right. And youíre triggered. How about you give it a rest? If you have nothing useful or insightful to say, say nothing post a John Stossel video.

FIFY


  • 745sticky
  • The Legend

    • 2243

    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
    • Korea
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2020, 12:55:16 pm »
Some who test positive for coronavirus didnít even know they had it. Commonly NOTHING will happen if you catch it. Very healthy people arenít even mildly inconvenienced by it. The infection is neutralized quickly. And the length of being contagious is drastically shortened.

Do you have any evidence to back this up, or are you just saying it?

I'm fine accepting that some people don't have severe symptoms, that's perfectly true. But I'm not sure if "Commonly NOTHING will happen if you catch it."


Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2020, 02:00:01 pm »
its not true. my friend and his gf got it and both are otherwise healthy. both had symptoms. there's tons more stories like this. LI is full of it (as usual). i'm not sure why people even respond to claims like that


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7835

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2020, 02:08:56 pm »
Loads of people who caught coronavirus are / were asymptomatic. And never knew they had it until antibodies showed up on test.



  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7835

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2020, 02:21:19 pm »
Something about human nature:

Know it alls who donít really know it all (but think they do) will often accuse others of being full of crap when in actuality it is them who doesnít know what they are talking about. (But they sincerely believe it applies to the other person rather than them.) Fools are confident. Itís the DunningĖKruger effect.

Coronavirus: Majority testing positive have no symptoms
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-53320155


Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2020, 02:25:49 pm »
Like I wrote in another thread: look at the test positivity rates. For the last 2 days it was 10,42% and 7,58% respectively in the USA. In Korea it was 2,53% and 1,99%. There are undetected cases in every country obviously. But a lower positivity rate indicates a lower number of undetected cases

Interesting. Can I ask where you got those testing figures from?

Could it be that the testing or analysis is different for various countries?


Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2020, 02:31:47 pm »
Asymptomatic transmission is definitely a thing, and a significant one at that. Thatís partly what makes this such a difficult virus to get a handle on.


Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2020, 03:04:41 pm »
LI: very healthy people arenít even mildly inconvenienced by coronavirus
me: i know a few very healthy people who were "inconvenienced" by it
LI: you're a know it all. also here's a bbc link from july showing that 22% of people didn't have symptoms on the day of their swab test

uhhh okay dude..? also from the source in that article, 33% (95% confidence interval 25% to 43%, 115 person sample) reported evidence of symptoms before or after their swab test. there are healthy people who are "inconvenienced" by coronavirus and it's thoughtless (perhaps disrespectful? possibly insensitive?) to suggest otherwise


  • Lazio
  • Expert Waygook

    • 987

    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2020, 03:05:21 pm »
Interesting. Can I ask where you got those testing figures from?

Could it be that the testing or analysis is different for various countries?

Sure:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
''Jealous of those who make more, have a 2 bedroom apartment to live in, ride a GIANT mountain bike, and drive a car that gets them around?  Well, I can't help myself.  It's too bad you are jealous of me for you having less. I am at least able to say I am living better than most ESLers '' hangook77


  • 745sticky
  • The Legend

    • 2243

    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
    • Korea
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2020, 03:09:35 pm »
Something about human nature:

Know it alls who donít really know it all (but think they do) will often accuse others of being full of crap when in actuality it is them who doesnít know what they are talking about. (But they sincerely believe it applies to the other person rather than them.) Fools are confident. Itís the DunningĖKruger effect.

Well, I'm glad you're at least a little self-aware.


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  • Waygook Lord

    • 7835

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2020, 03:20:45 pm »
How ironic. The ďThatís you, not meĒ line. You think  youíre correct, but youíre not.

ďCommonly NOTHING will happen if you catch it." is in fact true. 

22% of people didn't have symptoms

22% had symptoms and 78% were asymptotic.

That means for most people who get coronavirus, nothing happens.

Should I take your word your two friends who experienced symptoms were very healthy? What does that mean? The assessment is subjective. They exercised daily? Didnít drink alcohol?


  • 745sticky
  • The Legend

    • 2243

    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
    • Korea
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2020, 03:31:34 pm »
How ironic. The ďThatís you, not meĒ line. You think  youíre correct, but youíre not.

How ironic. The ďThatís you, not meĒ line. You think  youíre correct, but youíre not.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7835

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2020, 03:35:39 pm »
Your ability to articulate a cogent thought is amazing! Weíre learning so much from this exchange! Thank you for your wisdom and knowledge! So many good statistics!


  • hippo
  • Super Waygook

    • 405

    • July 16, 2011, 11:28:36 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2020, 04:01:42 pm »
Something about human nature:

Know it alls who donít really know it all (but think they do) will often accuse others of being full of crap when in actuality it is them who doesnít know what they are talking about. (But they sincerely believe it applies to the other person rather than them.) Fools are confident. Itís the DunningĖKruger effect.

Coronavirus: Majority testing positive have no symptoms
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-53320155


Please explain the long-term consequences from COVID-19 using peer-reviewed articles without referring to videos. 

Insofar as I can tell, virologists, medical professionals, and other scientists do not fully understand the longterm consequences of the disease, so I am certainly not going to claim I know a lot about it.  As far as I can understand, scientists do not even fully understand the full impact of "regular" viruses in terms of their impact decades later because of possible DNA mutations and the like.

I congratulate you on your upcoming Nobel Prize.


  • oglop
  • The Legend

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2020, 05:10:55 pm »
It takes a special kind of sociopath to read an artlicle about the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission and think, "It's fine. Nothing will happen to me because I'm not fat."
guys just don't be fat, drink alcohol, eat any unhealthy food ever, be old, be sick, have any underlying health conditions, or catch covid and you won't die of covid. it's really pretty simple


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 3680

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2020, 09:36:58 pm »
It takes a special kind of sociopath to read an artlicle about the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission and think, "It's fine. Nothing will happen to me because I'm not fat."
I won't go so far as "sociopath" but he lacks any kind of empathy we expect of people in the humanistic professions, like, say, teaching. 


Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2020, 07:37:00 am »
22% had symptoms and 78% were asymptotic.

22% had (self-reported) symptoms on that specific day. 25-43% had (self-reported) symptoms before or after their test. the data may have been affected by false positives (who wouldn't have symptoms) and people not reporting/not being aware of their own symptoms. but uhhh yeah hug that number because it proves your point... sort of?


Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2020, 08:48:22 am »
Itís estimated that about 20% of people who contract coronavirus are completely asymptomatic.


Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2020, 04:00:20 pm »
It takes a special kind of sociopath to read an artlicle about the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission and think, "It's fine. Nothing will happen to me because I'm not fat."

Funny enough, this morningís episode of GoGo Dino taught my daughter how to fat-shame a pudgy allosaurus  :undecided:


  • hippo
  • Super Waygook

    • 405

    • July 16, 2011, 11:28:36 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Is it insane to leave Korea right now?
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2020, 05:54:14 pm »
Itís estimated that about 20% of people who contract coronavirus are completely asymptomatic.

I am curious about that statistic.  Asymptomatic just means they donít recognize any symptoms, right? 

One of the things I am curious about is potential long-term effects of disease that are not immediately apparent.  There is already so much focus on the deaths and severe illnesses (and denial or downplaying of them).  But there isófor I think good reasonómore focus on the more severe cases.  I am curious to find out if there are any long term symptoms in people who had no symptoms or thought the symptoms were something else because they were so mild.

It is perhaps the least most concerning result of the pandemic for the time being, but the past year has made me more curious about the long term effects of diseases.  Just curious about this more than extremely concerned to be clear.

RIP Aaron Swartz who tried to liberate journal articles from publishers who donít pay their authors.