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  • waygo0k
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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
    • Chungnam
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2020, 04:53:12 pm »
Iraqi Resistance....Sadda m=Al-Qaeda!

The same dumb logic that people always use to tie together various ideological organizations that they disagree worth. Kevin Bacon them to the single worst example.

Keep going.

You, obviously in your infinite knowledge on the matter, know better than those actually researching said groups.

And you definitely know more about said groups than the groups themselves...taking their actions and beliefs into account.


  • gogators!
  • The Legend

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2020, 10:20:37 pm »
Actually these aren't but whatever. Lumping every vaguely right-wing group or person together as a "white nationalist" is as idiotic as lumping every Iraqi with an AK-47 together as a "terrorist."
Back to the bad analogies I see.


  • gogators!
  • The Legend

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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2020, 10:25:55 pm »
"Mr Shawn called out the sign in the broadcast stating, “We just saw a very disturbing sign, it said, 'Coming for Blacks and Indians first, welcome to the New World Order.

The footage being broadcasted was from the Million MAGA March that was held in Washington D.C. on Saturday."

Then there's Parler. Check it out for some real hate.


  • gogators!
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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2020, 12:08:28 am »
A WH official calling for insurrection:
"A White House coronavirus adviser has urged residents in the state of Michigan to "rise up" against measures introduced to curb the coronavirus as infections soar across the country.

"The only way this stops is if people rise up," Scott Atlas said on Twitter yesterday. "You get what you accept. #FreedomMatters #StepUp.""

I wonder is Scott is angling for a spot on Fox or Newsmax?

Charles Atlas would have never stood for this.


  • T_Rex
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    • April 23, 2019, 08:10:20 am
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2020, 10:14:01 am »
"The Million MAGA March took place on Saturday. On the one hand, there were tens of thousands of Trump supporters who showed up. They were cheerful, left no mess, sang, chanted 'USA,' and prayed. Many children were there with their families. On the other hand, the BLM and Antifa crowd appeared too, when many Trump supporters had gone home. Like hyenas picking off the young in a herd, the BLM and Antifa supporters brutally attacked people, including children and the elderly."
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/the_million_maga_march_showed_the_battle_lines_in_america.html

Violence and intolerance come from people who oppose Trump. His supporters are peaceful.


  • Kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2020, 10:20:40 am »
Left-wing extremists tussling with right-wing extremists the night after a political protest march. Wow, who'd've thought?


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #126 on: November 17, 2020, 11:25:27 am »
Keep going.

You, obviously in your infinite knowledge on the matter, know better than those actually researching said groups.

And you definitely know more about said groups than the groups themselves...taking their actions and beliefs into account.
Those "researching" said groups have an ideological motivation and are selective with what they report and how they present the data.

I do know that lumping broad swaths of the right-wing together is incredibly clumsy and crude.

Would you do the same with say, Middle Eastern groups? Irish Nationalist groups? Black groups?

Why is this only valid in the case of right-wing American groups?


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #127 on: November 17, 2020, 11:48:17 am »


Violence and intolerance come from people who oppose Trump. His supporters are peaceful.

Yes let's just ignore all the people murdered by the alt-right in the name of Trump during the last 4 years.

I'm sure Martin will now waddle in and claim that it was all lone wolf isolated incidents, even though it keeps happening over and over and over again.
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    Trump is a liar and a con man.
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Quote from Mr.DeMartino on June 14, 2019 at 02:28:07
Donald Trump is a lying sack of shit


  • waygo0k
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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #128 on: November 17, 2020, 01:07:15 pm »
Those "researching" said groups have an ideological motivation and are selective with what they report and how they present the data.

I do know that lumping broad swaths of the right-wing together is incredibly clumsy and crude.

Would you do the same with say, Middle Eastern groups? Irish Nationalist groups? Black groups?

Why is this only valid in the case of right-wing American groups?

Proud boys...White supremacists who want a white ethnostate

Boogaloo Bois...white supremacists who want a white ethnostate

Go on...tell us how they're "different" and actually just leftists who are confused and/or cosplaying.


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #129 on: November 17, 2020, 01:42:37 pm »
Yes let's just ignore all the people murdered by the alt-right in the name of Trump during the last 4 years.

I'm sure Martin will now waddle in and claim that it was all lone wolf isolated incidents, even though it keeps happening over and over and over again.
"In the name of Trump"???

Such as? Even then, what does that have to do with anything? Did Trump order them? No.


  • gogators!
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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #130 on: November 20, 2020, 06:23:36 am »
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President Donald Trump’s false accusations that voter fraud denied him reelection are causing escalating confrontations in swing states across the country, leading to threats of violence against officials in both parties and subverting even the most routine steps in the electoral process.

In Arizona on Wednesday, the Democratic secretary of state, Katie Hobbs, issued a statement lamenting the “consistent and systematic undermining of trust” in the elections and called on Republican officials to stop “perpetuating misinformation.” She described threats against her and her family in the aftermath of Joe Biden’s victory over Trump in her state.

In Georgia, where Biden holds a narrow lead that is expected to stand through a recount concluding Wednesday night, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, has said he, too, received menacing messages. He also said he felt pressured by Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close Trump ally and the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, to search for ways to disqualify votes.

The only thing that would satisfy some of these folks is outright civil war.


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #131 on: November 20, 2020, 05:37:17 pm »
"In the name of Trump"???

Such as? Even then, what does that have to do with anything? Did Trump order them? No.

You guys are trying to get English teachers in Korea to be deathly afraid of hypothetical "Antifa" violence.

But you don't care when white supremacists kill liberals again and again after saying that they wish violence upon liberals specifically because they hate liberals and that they love Trump because he speaks for them. If you don't want to look bad maybe don't participate in a tradition of violent, homicidal fascism.
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Quote from: Mr.DeMartino on Yesterday at 01:40:32
    Trump is a liar and a con man.
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Quote from Mr.DeMartino on June 14, 2019 at 02:28:07
Donald Trump is a lying sack of shit


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #132 on: November 20, 2020, 09:13:02 pm »
“Trump’s Attempts to Overturn the Election Are Unparalleled in U.S. History“
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/politics/trump-election.html

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President Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election are unprecedented in American history and an even more audacious use of brute political force to gain the White House than when Congress gave Rutherford B. Hayes the presidency during Reconstruction.

Mr. Trump’s chances of succeeding are somewhere between remote and impossible, and a sign of his desperation after President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. won by nearly six million popular votes and counting, as well as a clear Electoral College margin. Yet the fact that Mr. Trump is even trying has set off widespread alarms, not least in Mr. Biden’s camp.

“I’m confident he knows he hasn’t won,” Mr. Biden said at a news conference in Wilmington, Del., on Thursday, before adding, “It’s just outrageous what he’s doing.” Although Mr. Biden dismissed Mr. Trump’s behavior as embarrassing, he acknowledged that “incredibly damaging messages are being sent to the rest of the world about how democracy functions.”

Mr. Trump has only weeks to make his last-ditch effort work: Most of the states he needs to strip Mr. Biden of votes are scheduled to certify their electors by the beginning of next week. The electors cast their ballots on Dec. 14, and Congress opens them in a joint session on Jan. 6.

Even if Mr. Trump somehow pulled off his electoral vote switch, there are other safeguards in place, assuming people in power do not simply bend to the president’s will.

The first test will be Michigan, where Mr. Trump is trying to get the State Legislature to overturn Mr. Biden’s 157,000-vote margin of victory. He has taken the extraordinary step of inviting a delegation of state Republican leaders to the White House, hoping to persuade them to ignore the popular vote outcome.
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Mr. Trump has fired the federal election official who has challenged his false claims of fraud, tried to halt the vote-certification process in Detroit to disenfranchise an overwhelmingly Black electorate that voted against him, and now is misusing the powers of his office in his effort to take Michigan’s 16 electoral votes away from Mr. Biden.
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“This is a manufactured crisis. It is a president abusing his huge powers in order to stay in office after the voters clearly rejected him for re-election.”

He added: “This is what many of the founders dreaded.”

Mr. Trump telegraphed this strategy during the campaign...

And yet over 70 million people voted for this unrepentant scoundrel, and would probably do it again if given the chance. Absolute insanity.


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #133 on: November 21, 2020, 09:38:45 am »
“Wisconsin recount live: Dane County election officials reject initial attempts to throw out ballots“
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/11/20/live-updates-wisconsin-election-recount-dane-milwaukee-counties/6353846002/

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President Donald Trump’s campaign sought to throw out tens of thousands of ballots Friday in Dane County as it got its recount under way, but election officials rejected the effort.

Christ Troupis, a representative for Trump’s campaign, told the Dane County Board of Canvassers it should eliminate all in-person early votes; all mailed-in absentee ballots if written applications for them could not be tracked down; all votes submitted by those who say they are indefinitely confined; and all absentee ballots where clerks wrote in the addresses of witnesses.


  • fka
  • Expert Waygook

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    • September 05, 2019, 06:37:44 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #134 on: November 21, 2020, 10:51:47 am »
It's your fault for taking him seriously and not understanding that it's just a joke, designed to entertain his base. Lying to the public, refusing to acknowledge reality, sowing discord and undermining our electoral system are nods and winks to heartland Americans who are tired of being patronized by coastal elites.  Why is it so hard to understand that Donald Trump's worst behavioral traits are entirely harmless and inconsequential?


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #135 on: November 21, 2020, 01:42:24 pm »
It's your fault for taking him seriously

But *I was told* during the 2016 campaign to take him seriously, not literally.  :cry:

So he’s seriously trying to steal the election (“Stop the Steal!” omfg) but he’s not literally going to say so in any of his fraudulent lawsuits, because they wouldn’t get the joke?


  • gogators!
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    • Seoul
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #136 on: November 21, 2020, 11:08:38 pm »
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Brett Fryar is a middle-class Republican. A 50-year-old chiropractor in this west Texas town, he owns a small business. He has two undergraduate degrees and a master’s degree, in organic chemistry. He attends Southcrest Baptist Church in nearby Lubbock.

Fryar didn’t much like Donald Trump at first, during the U.S. president’s 2016 campaign. He voted for Texas Senator Ted Cruz in the Republican primaries.

Now, Fryar says he would go to war for Trump. He has joined the newly formed South Plains Patriots, a group of a few hundred members that includes a “reactionary” force of about three dozen - including Fryar and his son, Caleb - who conduct firearms training.

Nothing will convince Fryar and many others here in Sundown - including the town’s mayor, another Patriots member - that Democrat Joe Biden won the Nov. 3 presidential election fairly. They believe Trump’s stream of election-fraud allegations and say they’re preparing for the possibility of a “civil war” with the American political left.

"If President Trump comes out and says: 'Guys, I have irrefutable proof of fraud, the courts won't listen, and I'm now calling on Americans to take up arms,' we would go," said Fryar, wearing a button-down shirt, pressed slacks and a paisley tie during a recent interview at his office.

The unshakable trust in Trump in this town of about 1,400 residents reflects a national phenomenon among many Republicans, despite the absence of evidence in a barrage of post-election lawsuits by the president and his allies. About half of Republicans polled by Reuters/Ipsos said Trump “rightfully won” the election but had it stolen from him in systemic fraud favoring Biden, according to a survey conducted between Nov. 13 and 17. Just 29% of Republicans said Biden rightfully won. Other polls since the election have reported that an even higher proportion - up to 80% - of Republicans trust Trump’s baseless fraud narrative.

All that education and still unable to think for oneself. It's really a shame.