Potential for Violence

Ah, I misunderstood, then. I'd tried to take your advice and look at the situation with nuance and complexity. Therefore I didn't realize that Mr C, gogators!, waygo0k and Mayor Haggar were literally angry at statues and blamed them for society's ills. I assumed - foolishly, it would appear - that they took issue with what the statues represented, and what implications their continued public display had for regions marked by centuries of cruelty to black people.

But the issue isn't with their representation or their display, I assume it has to be because they have some sort of effect.

If they aren't having an effect, then why get so worked up?

I assume, then, that your mental illness diagnosis also applies to the removal of Stalin statues in the former Soviet Union, Saddam Hussein statues in Iraq, monuments to segregationists in South Africa and Pinochet statues in Chile.

These were all immediately following the fall of the regime, by people living under the regime, and in the cases of some, while the person was still alive or people that opposed them were still alive. Saddam's statue was toppled while literally remnants of Saddam's forces were still fighting and vying for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people and still claiming to be some sort of organized, official regime.

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1) Do the U.S. intelligence/law enforcement agencies have the ability to find out who QAnon is and their identity?
2) Why don't we know their identity?
3) Shouldn't this be priority #1 if QAnon truly is responsible for a serious threat to our nation and encouraging an insurrection? Why the lack of urgency by the FBI? Why no Bin Laden or Unabomber-style manhunt? Why isn't the media trying to find out who Q is?
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Strange how there are no answers or reply to this. Almost as if people know what the answers are and what that implies...

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Question-
1) Do the U.S. intelligence/law enforcement agencies have the ability to find out who QAnon is and their identity?
2) Why don't we know their identity?
3) Shouldn't this be priority #1 if QAnon truly is responsible for a serious threat to our nation and encouraging an insurrection? Why the lack of urgency by the FBI? Why no Bin Laden or Unabomber-style manhunt? Why isn't the media trying to find out who Q is?
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Strange how there are no answers or reply to this. Almost as if people know what the answers are and what that implies...

... mainly that he's a nutcase ex-pat who until recently kept a pig farm near Manila named Jim Watkins, who runs 8chan now 8kun with his son Ron.  Or it might be a tech guy named Jason  Gelinas who ran the "drop" website QMap before it was shut down.  Or it may be both or neither.

I'm no expert, but I understand this kind of thing is very difficult to prove in the kind of way that makes bringing charges worthwhile.  How do you know there's no "urgency" on the part of the FBI, BTW?  You've examined the work logs?

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Question-
1) Do the U.S. intelligence/law enforcement agencies have the ability to find out who QAnon is and their identity?
2) Why don't we know their identity?
3) Shouldn't this be priority #1 if QAnon truly is responsible for a serious threat to our nation and encouraging an insurrection? Why the lack of urgency by the FBI? Why no Bin Laden or Unabomber-style manhunt? Why isn't the media trying to find out who Q is?
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Strange how there are no answers or reply to this. Almost as if people know what the answers are and what that implies...

Not strange at all Marti. Just an indication of the unwillingness of posters to respond to your dumbass questions.

I'd suggest an implication is the understanding that the problem with QAnon doesn't relate to identifying an individual that is responsible for a wackjob theory. Rather part of the problem is the large scale gullibility of the individuals and groups of retards like Waykook and yourself  that buy into the stupidity of the conspiracy theories like a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles running a global child sex-trafficking ring that was plotting against their clown prince. The other part is that clown prince in Mar-a-Lago that feeds off them.

The fact the such theories are all so pervasively accepted on the right among people who consider themselves conservatives is more an indication of a mental health crisis. 

Wrongfooted again. I actually gave Demartino the benefit of the doubt and assumed that someone, at some point, must have made a comment that directly corresponds to these questions he's been shouting [at whom, it's never been clear].

Alas...

I dug back a few pages and found that he first started this in response to an article that gogaors! pasted. So first of all, it wasn't even an original comment from a poster here. Second, it's hard to see how one can extrapolate the ideas that he's demanding that someone [Who? We still don't  know]  defend from the chunk of text that he quoted. I'm gonna hazard a guess that that's why these probing questions remain unanswered.

In other words, they're not worth answering, which is true for most, if not all, of his burning questions.

Condensed version: Why feed the troll?

... mainly that he's a nutcase ex-pat who until recently kept a pig farm near Manila named Jim Watkins, who runs 8chan now 8kun with his son Ron.  Or it might be a tech guy named Jason  Gelinas who ran the "drop" website QMap before it was shut down.  Or it may be both or neither.

I'm no expert, but I understand this kind of thing is very difficult to prove in the kind of way that makes bringing charges worthwhile.  How do you know there's no "urgency" on the part of the FBI, BTW?  You've examined the work logs?

The government can find you if they want to. They track down terrorist leaders in frickin Afghanistan with less info than this. If it's true like you say that QAnon was responsible for these conspiracy theories and is encouraging insurrection and treason, then he should be brought to justice and hunted down.

But that isn't happening. There isn't a massive manhunt. People aren't looking for tips. There's no sense of urgency in the media.

I think that tells you all you need to know about how real this "threat" is.

No, not really. Debates about what to do with certain statues still continue in S. Africa. Young, contemporary Chileans have been responsible for a lot the momentum for removing Pinochet statues. Do you think that statue of Saddam Hussein that you mentioned was the only one in Iraq? When does the window of opportunity for removing them close, before people who want to do so receive your diagnosis of mental illness?

I'd say that if everyone involved is long since dead, and many of the people that are commemorated are completely unknown, then yeah, you are talking mental illness.

That is a sign of how GOOD things are in America- That one of the key racial issues are statues of people who have been dead for 100 years and most people don't even know who they are.

Like I get this being maybe a side-side issue. Like something you keep in the public eye and mention, not something where you get incredibly worked up over it, start a mass movement, and declare those in opposition to be "the enemy."

However this does make sense if you look at Haidt & Lukianoff's work and understand that at this point leftism/wokeism is a quasi-religion at this point and they are behaving in a manner similar to religious fanatics.

I'd suggest an implication is the understanding that the problem with QAnon doesn't relate to identifying an individual that is responsible for a wackjob theory.

This person, by your own claims, motivated people to engage in insurrection and treason. That should make them public enemy #1, yes?

Rather part of the problem is the large scale gullibility of the individuals and groups of retards like Waykook and yourself  that buy into the stupidity of the conspiracy theories like a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles running a global child sex-trafficking ring that was plotting against their clown prince.

First off, I don't believe in any QAnon crap. I've repeatedly disagree with waygookin74's extreme takes. I do agree that those gullible people are a problem.

I'd also say that a BIG problem is the large number of people, particularly in the center-left who think they are 100% immune from buying into stupid conspiracy theories (Trump-Russia, heard much about that lately? Any progress on this investigation?) and that you in no way are susceptible to bias and manipulation.

The stupidest person isn't the one who got tricked, it's the person who doesn't believe they can be tricked.

If Trump-Russia was real, then why isn't Biden devoting massive energy to ferreting this out and getting to the bottom of things? If the Trump-Russia crowd are to be believed, then this was a massive scandal that should be solved. Instead, nothing. Tells you all you need to know about how real this was.

And gullible saps bought into this dumb conspiracy theory based on flimsy evidence and slick productions and edits.

The government can find you if they want to. They track down terrorist leaders in frickin Afghanistan with less info than this. If it's true like you say that QAnon was responsible for these conspiracy theories and is encouraging insurrection and treason, then he should be brought to justice and hunted down.

But that isn't happening. There isn't a massive manhunt. People aren't looking for tips. There's no sense of urgency in the media.

I think that tells you all you need to know about how real this "threat" is.

I answered your question honestly and legitimately.  And it's not about finding, it's about proving, a much more difficult thing to do in the cyberworld.

But you knew that.  You are just intentionally not reading.   And responding in a completely dishonest way.

 Go push your pathetic persona somewhere else.

I answered your question honestly and legitimately.  And it's not about finding, it's about proving, a much more difficult thing to do in the cyberworld.

But you knew that.  You are just intentionally not reading.   And responding in a completely dishonest way.

 Go push your pathetic persona somewhere else.

Dude there's like 5 posts to respond to during break time. If I miss something just bring it up and I'll try to get to it.

As far as proof, they're able to track down distributors of child pornography and other heinous crimes. And if Trump "knew what he was doing" then so did QAnon.

Mr. C, you take politics wayyyy too personally.

you assume they want to track them down, my man. they break bread together, bro. 2 sides of the same coin, my dude. there's no political will to do it, my guy

you assume they want to track them down, my man. they break bread together, bro. 2 sides of the same coin, my dude. there's no political will to do it, my guy

The explanations for them not going after are either

A) They are unwilling
B) They are unable

I highly doubt it's B. If it is A, then we have to ask ourselves why. Either A) They really aren't a threat or B) They are too much of a threat or C) QAnon is a useful idiot.

Out of all the plausible explanations, the least sinister is that QAnon really isn't that much of a threat and people are just making political hay of it. Virtually every other explanation is deeply cynical at best or conspiratorial at worst. 

i mean there are elected Qanon congressmembers so there being unelected Qanon intelligency servicemembers doesn't strike me as 2 nutty. and never underestimate the power of having a useful idiot (or a couple thou, i have no idea how many there are)

This thread has become a very wearisome collection of dm's many red herrings, strawmen, tangents, flawed analogies and pure WTF arguments in support of something or other.

Dude there's like 5 posts to respond to during break time. If I miss something just bring it up and I'll try to get to it.

As far as proof, they're able to track down distributors of child pornography and other heinous crimes. And if Trump "knew what he was doing" then so did QAnon.

Mr. C, you take politics wayyyy too personally.

Oh yeah!?  Well, so's your aunt!

This person, by your own claims, motivated people to engage in insurrection and treason. That should make them public enemy #1, yes?

You are such a lying dipsh*t Marti but at least you're acknowledging there was an insurrection, that much, at least, is progress.  Now you need to acknowledge that the motivation for it was the big lie that "the election was stolen" as repeated ad nauseam by the liar in chief.
To quote  Mitch McConnel

There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day,"
"The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president,"

QAnon is not a person. It's a dumbass conspiracy theory mouthed by dumbasses such as yourself. Unfortunately, there isn't any law against being a dumbass, Marti. If there was Trump would never have been president.

You are such a lying dipsh*t Marti but at least you're acknowledging there was an insurrection, that much, at least, is progress.

This person, by your own claims, motivated people to engage in insurrection and treason. That should make them public enemy #1, yes?

QAnon is not a person. It's a dumbass conspiracy theory mouthed by dumbasses such as yourself.

1) A person made the QAnon posts, hence some person somewhere is responsible for them. BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION that person should be considered the head of a bunch of insurrectionists and treasonists. So why isn't there a MASSIVE manhunt for this person?

2) I have never espoused anything relating to QAnon. The fact that you think I have is due to your own crappy reading comprehension and inability to process information.

i mean there are elected Qanon congressmembers so there being unelected Qanon intelligency servicemembers doesn't strike me as 2 nutty. and never underestimate the power of having a useful idiot (or a couple thou, i have no idea how many there are)

If someone is posting QAnon stuff (as in they're the original writer, not just sharing or reposting) within the government, then shouldn't there be some sort of massive rooting out?

This is before we get to the fact that if the Trump-Russia stuff is true, then there should be a follow-up massive government internal investigation over it now that we have a new administration. It's one thing to do a political investigation for political smear purposes. It's another to do an actual real follow-up once you're in charge. People may think they're the same, but they aren't. One is political theater. The other is if you think there really was something going on and you are unsure about the status of your own government.

We have neither of those things happenign. Tyler, you seem like a smart reasonable dude. I think you can see the implications of that lack of action. There's a certain way people and politicians and government agencies behave when they believe something to be true or that there is a real serious threat. This isn't it.

1) A person made the QAnon posts, hence some person somewhere is responsible for them. BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION that person should be considered the head of a bunch of insurrectionists and treasonists. So why isn't there a MASSIVE manhunt for this person?

Please quote this definition that you claim I have made. 
In the meantime just try to acknowledge what Mitch McConnel and Liz Chaney have said about the identity of the Jan 6th  insurrection leader and stop with your half-arsed revisionism.  The only thing you are convincing anybody of is your worsening mental incapacity! 

liz Cheney: The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.

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Mitch McConnel: There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day,"
"The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president,"

2) marti: I have never espoused anything relating to QAnon. The fact that you think I have is due to your own crappy reading comprehension and inability to process information.

How many times have you brought up your deep state conspiracy  theories about the Mueller investigation and how different are they to the bullsh*t QAnon crap?

https://icct.nl/publication/q-pilled-conspiracy-theories-trump-and-election-violence/

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/over-third-americans-believe-in-deep-state-conspiracy-trump-poll-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

Please quote this definition that you claim I have made. 

And streaming their terrorism live from the Capitol building was also 'making a smart-assed comment about the police being systemically racist'?

So your point is that the fact that people aren't exhibiting enough concern about their investment portfolio is evidence that a group of armed thugs storming the Capital building, killing a police officer, injuring countless others,  chanting "hang Pence", going after the speaker of house and attempted to prevent the certification of election is not an attempted act of insurrection?

Did you see the cop at the end of the clip posing for a selfie with a Trump seditionist?

You claim that what took place was an insurrection, sedition, and terror. BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION that makes the QAnon original poster someone inciting all of those crimes and they should be hunted down and prosecuted, just like say, Anwar Al-Alwaki. We have the capability to do so. Why isn't it being done? Why isn't there a massive manhunt for Q?

n the meantime just try to acknowledge what Mitch McConnel and Liz Chaney have said about the identity of the Jan 6th  insurrection leader and stop with your half-arsed revisionism.

Cheney and McConnell have their own opinions. By that logic, any person who has ever organized a protest that spun out of control is responsible. It is the decision of the individuals involved to engage in violence. At no point did Trump call for that.

How many times have you brought up your deep state conspiracy  theories about the Mueller investigation and how different are they to the bullsh*t QAnon crap?

Pointing out that the Mueller investigation revealed no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion and that the entire Trump-Russia thing is a batshit conspiracy theory is not "bullsh*t QAnon crap"

YOU are the one believing in a crazy conspiracy theory if you believe the Trump-Russia stuff.

When I post links from CNN or the Washington Post calling into question the FISA court procedures used to go after Trump staffers, that isn't a conspiracy theory. That's what actually happened. Just because those facts interfere with your narrative doesn't make them a conspiracy theory.

This is real easy to do: "The Trump-Russia stuff was a load of bullshit. Donald Trump was still a terrible President." But you can't. ANYTHING anti-Trump you bought into and for some reason you can't acknowledge that some of it was garbage. Why? Why can't you admit that some of the criticisms or accusations about Trump are full of nonsense? That doesn't invalidate other criticisms or accusations.