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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #460 on: January 14, 2021, 07:40:19 pm »
Let me clarify, are you suggesting that the standard we should apply is based on the ideology of the person in question, not the behavior they engage in? Isn't that pretty subjective?





Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #461 on: January 15, 2021, 11:28:19 am »
How do you separate nazi ideology from nazi behaviour?

How do you separate QAnon ideology from QAnon behaviour?
First off you dont try to lump everything under the right-wing sun as "Nazi/Q-anon" behavior.


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #462 on: January 15, 2021, 12:02:06 pm »
Which part(s) of the insurrection weren't due to nazi and/or Q ideology?


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #463 on: January 16, 2021, 09:28:46 pm »
Proud Boys Intended To Kill Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi, FBI Witness Says

An FBI special agent made the claim in an affidavit as part of a criminal complaint against 43-year-old Dominic Pezzola, who is accused of taking part in the riot in support of President Donald Trump's false claims that the presidential election was "stolen."

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they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."

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The group said it would be returning on the '20th,' which your affiant takes to mean the Presidential Inauguration scheduled for January 20, 2021," it continues. "And that they plan to kill every single 'm-fer' they can. [The witness] stated the men said they all had firearms or access to firearms.


https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-intended-kill-mike-pence-nancy-pelosi-fbi-witness-says-1562062

Nothing to see here ladies and gentlemen. Just a bunch of locker room talk from a rambunctious group of boys being boys...please understand their unique situation


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #464 on: January 16, 2021, 11:44:46 pm »
First off you dont try to lump everything under the right-wing sun as "Nazi/Q-anon" behavior.
Break it down for us then, research assistant. Don't forget to specify which group(s) you belong to in order to eliminate bias.


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #465 on: January 17, 2021, 11:20:48 am »
On the supply side, media outlets have discovered that dialing up the rhetoric increases clicks, eyeballs, and revenue. On the demand side, readers and viewers like to see their opinions affirmed, rather than challenged.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conspiracy-theories-will-doom-republican-party/617707/

For anyone who wanted to hear that Trump won, a machine of grifters was turning clicks into cash by telling their audiences what they wanted to hear. The liars got rich, their marks got angry, and things got out of control.


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #466 on: January 17, 2021, 10:50:46 pm »
Concerning grifting:

"An associate of Rudy Giuliani told a former CIA officer a presidential pardon was “going to cost $2m”, the New York Times reported on Sunday in the latest bombshell to break across the last, chaotic days of Donald Trump’s presidency.

Related: Trumpists on top? President exits having cleaved the Republican party in two

The report detailed widespread and in some cases lucrative lobbying involving people seeking a pardon as Trump’s time in office winds down. The 45th president, impeached twice, will leave power on Wednesday with the inauguration of Joe Biden.

The former CIA officer John Kiriakou, who was jailed in 2012 for leaking the identity of an operative involved in torture, told the Times he laughed at the remark from the associate of Giuliani, the former New York mayor who as Trump’s personal attorney is reportedly a possible pardon recipient himself.

“Two million bucks – are you out of your mind?” Kiriakou reportedly said. “Even if I had two million bucks, I wouldn’t spend it to recover a $700,000 pension.”

An associate of Kiriakou reported the conversation to the FBI, the Times said."

I wonder what Rudy's cut was going to be.  And now that dishonest don is stiffing him, will he join the long line of people and entities suing trump?


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #467 on: January 18, 2021, 08:05:04 am »
Trump's "law and order" and "fighting corruption" in plain view with his end of term "Pardons-for-Cash" scheme.

Still waiting for the pardons coming for him and his family.


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #468 on: January 18, 2021, 08:35:08 am »
Trump's "law and order" and "fighting corruption" in plain view with his end of term "Pardons-for-Cash" scheme.

Still waiting for the pardons coming for him and his family.
Letting the previous president off seems to be the norm, then again Trump is generally hated enough in Washington that he might prove an exception. That said I think the best we can expect is a token showing (+ maybe they'll slap him with some fines). I doubt anyone's going to be doing prison time.


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #469 on: January 18, 2021, 01:20:33 pm »
they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."
Translation: 'Spaz' talked about killing Pence in between bong rips and sips from his 40 oz. of Mickey's.

What's next? A big headline on how some Millwall ultra said he'd kill the other team's captain if he ever got the chance?

Do you seriously take this stuff THAT seriously and shit yourself in fear over it? Are you really THAT easily manipulated?


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #470 on: January 18, 2021, 01:22:49 pm »
Break it down for us then, research assistant. Don't forget to specify which group(s) you belong to in order to eliminate bias.
Each individual group has its own ideology and you need to carefully examine what that is, then you also need to account for the individual beliefs of each person. Finally you need to make sure that people are actually from the group in question and official members.

If you aren't doing that and just going "Deyre all wyte supremasiss..." then you're just being an idiot and not really caring about getting things right, but instead focusing on using it to win arguments and attack people you disagree with.


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #471 on: January 18, 2021, 05:06:16 pm »
One of the people who invaded the capitol is a guitarist from a well-known metal band.

He was just arrested today. Eleven days later. I wonder where he was hiding.
___________________ ___________________ ___________________ ___________________ ____

Schaffer was allegedly among rioters who sprayed Capitol police with 'bear spray.'"

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iced-earths-jon-schaffer-arrested-for-role-in-capitol-riot/

Washington, D.C., police officer Christina Laury said cops were being sprayed with bear mace — a significantly stronger version of pepper spray — as they held the line outside.

"Unfortunately, it shuts you down for a while. It's way worse than pepper spray," she recalled in an interview with CNN.

"It seals your eyes shut. … You've got to spray and douse yourself with water. And in those moments, it's scary because you can't see anything and have people that are fighting to get through."




Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #472 on: January 18, 2021, 06:08:28 pm »
Gaslighting for dummies:

"It's no big deal. Just a flash mob. They didn't hurt anyone on purpose. They just wanted to hang out with Mike Pence, not hang him. Yawn!"

Sounds familiar...





Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #473 on: January 18, 2021, 06:55:25 pm »
Gaslighting for dummies:
Gaslighting is you trying to convince everyone that the country was in mortal danger and we should be shitting ourselves in fear over this and trying to compare it to the very real revolutions and insurrections that take place in 3rd world countries, rather than this, it's weak and feeble 1st world streaming version.

You do realize that, right? YOU are the one trying to distort this into making it some cataclysmic event.



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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #474 on: January 18, 2021, 07:47:48 pm »
Translation: 'Spaz' talked about killing Pence in between bong rips and sips from his 40 oz. of Mickey's.

What's next? A big headline on how some Millwall ultra said he'd kill the other team's captain if he ever got the chance?

Do you seriously take this stuff THAT seriously and shit yourself in fear over it? Are you really THAT easily manipulated?

Poor analogy as usual.

Millwall ultra said he'd have killed the other team's captain if said Millwall ultra had seen him when said ultra and his thug friends were breaking into the other team's workplace.

Moreover, said Millwall ultra and his thug friends are part of an ultra violent organisation that has been planning and threatening to invade and cause acts of violence at the other team's premises for weeks...and actually carried out their threats. In fact, up to 5 people died during this siege...but let's not worry, it's just "easy manipulation" when people take your words and matching actions literally.


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #475 on: January 19, 2021, 07:32:26 am »
He was just arrested today. Eleven days later. I wonder where he was hiding.
___________________ ___________________ ___________________ ___________________ ____

Schaffer was allegedly among rioters who sprayed Capitol police with 'bear spray.'"
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iced-earths-jon-schaffer-arrested-for-role-in-capitol-riot/
Washington, D.C., police officer Christina Laury said cops were being sprayed with bear mace — a significantly stronger version of pepper spray — as they held the line outside.
"Unfortunately, it shuts you down for a while. It's way worse than pepper spray," she recalled in an interview with CNN.
"It seals your eyes shut. … You've got to spray and douse yourself with water. And in those moments, it's scary because you can't see anything and have people that are fighting to get through."

Whoever did this interview obviously never grew up in bear country. Bear mace and pepper use the same active ingredient (capsicum concentrate), with the main difference being that bear mace actually has a lower concentration of it, and releases it in a cloud rather than a stream like pepper spray.
You can actually use expired bear mace in campfire cooking (CO2! There's an idea for your next livestream!)
I've used bear spray a number of times, and let me tell you: check the wind direction first.  :cry:

Anyway, the article is dead wrong. Pepper spray is actually a lot worse than bear mace.


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #476 on: January 19, 2021, 08:38:37 am »
I read stuff like this in the media...
"The crowd sprayed bear mace at the officers, which is far stronger than any other type of mace"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9151297/Capitol-Hill-cops-tasered-BEAR-MACE-beaten-MAGA-mob.html
...and assume it is true.  :sad:
Sorry for posting fake news.  :cry:


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #477 on: January 19, 2021, 08:56:00 am »
Nah, it's not really the point of the article, and doesn't affect much in this discussion so it's hardly posting fake news.  :laugh:
I just thought I'd point it out because it's something I know about both from reading and from personal experience.
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... completely unrelated, and totally hypothetical, but don't ever pepper spray empty elevators, no matter how funny of a prank you think it would be at the time...


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #478 on: January 19, 2021, 09:13:10 am »
Poor analogy as usual.

Millwall ultra said he'd have killed the other team's captain if said Millwall ultra had seen him when said ultra and his thug friends were breaking into the other team's workplace.

Moreover, said Millwall ultra and his thug friends are part of an ultra violent organisation that has been planning and threatening to invade and cause acts of violence at the other team's premises for weeks...and actually carried out their threats. In fact, up to 5 people died during this siege...but let's not worry, it's just "easy manipulation" when people take your words and matching actions literally.
The point is we have no idea how serious this statement was or what context it was given. Lastly, there are serious doubts about the ability of the Proud Boys to carry this out.

You know for a bunch of people who mock the 2nd Amendment types for claiming guns will pet them stand up to z modern military, the left sire is trying to make it seem like a few hundred guys with guns are a serious threat to the military and police of the country.

Seriously, why are you trying to overhype this? Are you really that afraid or just that desperate to score political points?


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #479 on: January 19, 2021, 09:21:54 am »
Now I'm reading this:

https://bebearaware.org/deploying-bear-spray

"Pepper spray is NOT bear spray! The active ingredients in bear spray is a derivative of Oleoresin Capsicum called Capsaicin. It is the Capsaicin and related Capsaicinoids that are necessary to deter a charging bear."

"Not all bear sprays are the same in terms of formulation quality, spray duration time, and spray distance."

"Pepper spray is milder than bear spray"

"Bear sprays are more expensive than pepper spray."


Maybe the the Capsaicin and related Capsaicinoids in bear spray are different from the Oleoresin Capsicum in pepper spray?