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  • waygo0k
  • The Legend

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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
    • Chungnam
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #460 on: January 14, 2021, 12:31:15 pm »
I’m gonna call you out as being factually inaccurate here. If you can prove me wrong on this I’ll eat humble pie. If not, you will.

He "liked" those groups...did they influence or agree with him?

And again, he approached several groups about shooting white people...they told him to take a hike. Something you refuse to accept.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #461 on: January 14, 2021, 12:38:31 pm »
OK, so you admit you misspoke when you said this?

You do realise BLM told him to take a hike when he approached them?

It wasn’t BLM but some other groups? Who didn’t want him because the sexual harassment charge in his history apparently. I don’t think he opened up with, “Hi, I’d like to join your group to kill some white people.” If he did they’d be thinking, “Reject this undercover agent.” (Also, the people in these groups are mostly good and don’t hope for the deaths of others. Hopefully.)
« Last Edit: January 14, 2021, 12:44:26 pm by L I »


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #462 on: January 14, 2021, 12:46:59 pm »
And again, he approached several groups about shooting white people...they told him to take a hike. Something you refuse to accept.

They just told him to take a hike ... but didn’t alert the authorities to a potential killer?


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #463 on: January 14, 2021, 02:16:26 pm »
He "liked" those groups...did they influence or agree with him?
Fair point. Do you apply it equally to RWers? We should be consistent on this. If a mass shooter likes a RW cause, that cause should not have to answer for his crimes simply because he "liked" them.

Or are you one of those people who say "This shouldn't be placed at the foot of BLM, but in the case of a RWer, then it's perfectly justifiable to blame them en masse"?

I think no matter what group, it should take more than some "likes" to blame a group or organization.



  • waygo0k
  • The Legend

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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
    • Chungnam
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #464 on: January 14, 2021, 02:40:58 pm »
Fair point. Do you apply it equally to RWers? We should be consistent on this. If a mass shooter likes a RW cause, that cause should not have to answer for his crimes simply because he "liked" them.

Or are you one of those people who say "This shouldn't be placed at the foot of BLM, but in the case of a RWer, then it's perfectly justifiable to blame them en masse"?

I think no matter what group, it should take more than some "likes" to blame a group or organization.



It would apply to right wingers if they didn't consistently spout white nationalist nazi bullshit.


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #465 on: January 14, 2021, 02:45:45 pm »
It would apply to right wingers if they didn't consistently spout white nationalist nazi bullshit.
Let me clarify, are you suggesting that the standard we should apply is based on the ideology of the person in question, not the behavior they engage in? Isn't that pretty subjective?


  • waygo0k
  • The Legend

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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
    • Chungnam
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #466 on: January 14, 2021, 02:55:34 pm »
How do you separate nazi ideology from nazi behaviour?

How do you separate QAnon ideology from QAnon behaviour?
« Last Edit: January 14, 2021, 03:15:58 pm by waygo0k »


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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #467 on: January 14, 2021, 07:40:19 pm »
Let me clarify, are you suggesting that the standard we should apply is based on the ideology of the person in question, not the behavior they engage in? Isn't that pretty subjective?





Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #468 on: January 15, 2021, 11:28:19 am »
How do you separate nazi ideology from nazi behaviour?

How do you separate QAnon ideology from QAnon behaviour?
First off you dont try to lump everything under the right-wing sun as "Nazi/Q-anon" behavior.


  • waygo0k
  • The Legend

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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
    • Chungnam
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #469 on: January 15, 2021, 12:02:06 pm »
Which part(s) of the insurrection weren't due to nazi and/or Q ideology?


  • waygo0k
  • The Legend

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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
    • Chungnam
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #470 on: January 16, 2021, 09:28:46 pm »
Proud Boys Intended To Kill Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi, FBI Witness Says

An FBI special agent made the claim in an affidavit as part of a criminal complaint against 43-year-old Dominic Pezzola, who is accused of taking part in the riot in support of President Donald Trump's false claims that the presidential election was "stolen."

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they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."

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The group said it would be returning on the '20th,' which your affiant takes to mean the Presidential Inauguration scheduled for January 20, 2021," it continues. "And that they plan to kill every single 'm-fer' they can. [The witness] stated the men said they all had firearms or access to firearms.


https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-intended-kill-mike-pence-nancy-pelosi-fbi-witness-says-1562062

Nothing to see here ladies and gentlemen. Just a bunch of locker room talk from a rambunctious group of boys being boys...please understand their unique situation


  • gogators!
  • The Legend

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #471 on: January 16, 2021, 11:44:46 pm »
First off you dont try to lump everything under the right-wing sun as "Nazi/Q-anon" behavior.
Break it down for us then, research assistant. Don't forget to specify which group(s) you belong to in order to eliminate bias.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #472 on: January 17, 2021, 11:20:48 am »
On the supply side, media outlets have discovered that dialing up the rhetoric increases clicks, eyeballs, and revenue. On the demand side, readers and viewers like to see their opinions affirmed, rather than challenged.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conspiracy-theories-will-doom-republican-party/617707/

For anyone who wanted to hear that Trump won, a machine of grifters was turning clicks into cash by telling their audiences what they wanted to hear. The liars got rich, their marks got angry, and things got out of control.


  • gogators!
  • The Legend

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #473 on: January 17, 2021, 10:50:46 pm »
Concerning grifting:

"An associate of Rudy Giuliani told a former CIA officer a presidential pardon was “going to cost $2m”, the New York Times reported on Sunday in the latest bombshell to break across the last, chaotic days of Donald Trump’s presidency.

Related: Trumpists on top? President exits having cleaved the Republican party in two

The report detailed widespread and in some cases lucrative lobbying involving people seeking a pardon as Trump’s time in office winds down. The 45th president, impeached twice, will leave power on Wednesday with the inauguration of Joe Biden.

The former CIA officer John Kiriakou, who was jailed in 2012 for leaking the identity of an operative involved in torture, told the Times he laughed at the remark from the associate of Giuliani, the former New York mayor who as Trump’s personal attorney is reportedly a possible pardon recipient himself.

“Two million bucks – are you out of your mind?” Kiriakou reportedly said. “Even if I had two million bucks, I wouldn’t spend it to recover a $700,000 pension.”

An associate of Kiriakou reported the conversation to the FBI, the Times said."

I wonder what Rudy's cut was going to be.  And now that dishonest don is stiffing him, will he join the long line of people and entities suing trump?


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  • The Legend

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Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #474 on: January 18, 2021, 08:05:04 am »
Trump's "law and order" and "fighting corruption" in plain view with his end of term "Pardons-for-Cash" scheme.

Still waiting for the pardons coming for him and his family.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
    • Korea
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #475 on: January 18, 2021, 08:35:08 am »
Trump's "law and order" and "fighting corruption" in plain view with his end of term "Pardons-for-Cash" scheme.

Still waiting for the pardons coming for him and his family.
Letting the previous president off seems to be the norm, then again Trump is generally hated enough in Washington that he might prove an exception. That said I think the best we can expect is a token showing (+ maybe they'll slap him with some fines). I doubt anyone's going to be doing prison time.


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #476 on: January 18, 2021, 01:20:33 pm »
they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."
Translation: 'Spaz' talked about killing Pence in between bong rips and sips from his 40 oz. of Mickey's.

What's next? A big headline on how some Millwall ultra said he'd kill the other team's captain if he ever got the chance?

Do you seriously take this stuff THAT seriously and shit yourself in fear over it? Are you really THAT easily manipulated?


Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #477 on: January 18, 2021, 01:22:49 pm »
Break it down for us then, research assistant. Don't forget to specify which group(s) you belong to in order to eliminate bias.
Each individual group has its own ideology and you need to carefully examine what that is, then you also need to account for the individual beliefs of each person. Finally you need to make sure that people are actually from the group in question and official members.

If you aren't doing that and just going "Deyre all wyte supremasiss..." then you're just being an idiot and not really caring about getting things right, but instead focusing on using it to win arguments and attack people you disagree with.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #478 on: January 18, 2021, 05:06:16 pm »
One of the people who invaded the capitol is a guitarist from a well-known metal band.

He was just arrested today. Eleven days later. I wonder where he was hiding.
___________________ ___________________ ___________________ ___________________ ____

Schaffer was allegedly among rioters who sprayed Capitol police with 'bear spray.'"

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iced-earths-jon-schaffer-arrested-for-role-in-capitol-riot/

Washington, D.C., police officer Christina Laury said cops were being sprayed with bear mace — a significantly stronger version of pepper spray — as they held the line outside.

"Unfortunately, it shuts you down for a while. It's way worse than pepper spray," she recalled in an interview with CNN.

"It seals your eyes shut. … You've got to spray and douse yourself with water. And in those moments, it's scary because you can't see anything and have people that are fighting to get through."




Re: Potential for Violence
« Reply #479 on: January 18, 2021, 06:08:28 pm »
Gaslighting for dummies:

"It's no big deal. Just a flash mob. They didn't hurt anyone on purpose. They just wanted to hang out with Mike Pence, not hang him. Yawn!"

Sounds familiar...



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