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  • VanIslander
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Back in the 1970's Republicans howled that the $23 a month cheque the Canadian gov't gave to families for each child they had was SOCIALISM!

Now, Americans of all political stripes are turning to their gov't, palms open, looking for a handout.

Times have changed.


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Back in the 1970's Republicans howled that the $23 a month cheque the Canadian gov't gave to families for each child they had was SOCIALISM!

Now, Americans of all political stripes are turning to their gov't, palms open, looking for a handout.

Times have changed.

...for a "moderator" you sure do take sides.


  • VanIslander
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...for a "moderator" you sure do take sides.
I said "of all political stripes".

I made an observation from my childhood.

I don't get into partisan party debates around here.

All kinds of people are calling for the gov't to give them cash. This used to be a Canadian thing. It is becoming an American thing too. That's my point.


Back in the 1970's Republicans howled that the $23 a month cheque the Canadian gov't gave to families for each child they had was SOCIALISM!

Now, Americans of all political stripes are turning to their gov't, palms open, looking for a handout.

Times have changed.

I peep think any government subsidies should go to those that need it.  But that has nothing to do with the poll. Have you been to America recently? The government has shit many people out of the opportunity to warn a living. People are literally starving and facing homelessness. Yes I think the government should help those people.


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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
People are literally starving

Disagree. It is the opposite - obesity - which is killing them. It's easy to get food as a non-working (by choice!) poor person in America. First from the government, then from private charity. If anyone starved it'd be all over the news. But even mentally ill drug addicts survive. The US is not Sub-Saharan Africa (which incidentally has less and less starvation these days as the world gets better).


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Oh man quit with the damn John Stossel propaganda LI, nobody cares. Republicans complain about homelessness all the time, but they're the ones who created it. I'm sure all the usual suspects will now insist until they're blue in the face that destroying the social safety net and putting poor people in jail doesn't lead to homelessness, because "liberals bad."
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Disagree. It is the opposite - obesity - which is killing them. It's easy to get food as a non-working (by choice!) poor person in America. First from the government, then from private charity. If anyone starved it'd be all over the news. But even mentally ill drug addicts survive. The US is not Sub-Saharan Africa (which incidentally has less and less starvation these days as the world gets better).

https://www.feedingamerica.org/about-us/press-room/new-data

According to USDA, more than 41 million Americans face hunger, including nearly 13 million children. Some of the groups experiencing the highest rates of food insecurity include households with children led by single women and people living below the poverty level. In addition, about a quarter of food-insecure households report incomes that make them ineligible for any form of federal food assistance.

Try google LI


Oh man quit with the damn John Stossel propaganda LI, nobody cares. Republicans complain about homelessness all the time, but they're the ones who created it. I'm sure all the usual suspects will now insist until they're blue in the face that destroying the social safety net and putting poor people in jail doesn't lead to homelessness, because "liberals bad."
Republicans created homelessness? There wasn't any homelessness before the Republican Party appeared at the end of the Antebellum period?


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Republicans created homelessness? There wasn't any homelessness before the Republican Party appeared at the end of the Antebellum period?

Well, homelessness is a complex problem, but it's fair to say conservative policies in the 70s and 80s made it dramatically worse in the US.  The Reagan administration shut down government operated asylums across the country, and state and community mental health programs couldn't pick up the slack.  No one knows precise numbers, but 200,000 or so mentally ill people ended up on the streets within a year.  By the mid-eighties, around half of the homeless population were seriously  mentally ill.
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People say they are hungry and want more food; meanwhile they are grossly overweight.

When I was a kid I volunteered at a food bank; I was shocked by how fat the people picking up the free food were. I thought, ďWhy am I doing this?Ē After the shift was over I never went back.

Does lack of a safety net cause poverty and cause homelessness? I donít think so, because look at South Korea, a capitalist society with historically small government. So how were/are people able to function? One reason is Koreans donít have loads of kids they canít take care of. Out of wedlock births are considered shameful and wonít result in a big government welfare check, thus are extremely rare. Not many single mothers in Korea.

What about homelessness? Where do mentally ill people in Korea live? I guess with their parents? But in America they are eventually kicked out of the house if they get caught stealing from the family too many times?


People say they are hungry and want more food; meanwhile they are grossly overweight.

When I was a kid I volunteered at a food bank; I was shocked by how fat the people picking up the free food were. I thought, ďWhy am I doing this?Ē After the shift was over I never went back.

Does lack of a safety net cause poverty and cause homelessness? I donít think so, because look at South Korea, a capitalist society with historically small government. So how were/are people able to function? One reason is Koreans donít have loads of kids they canít take care of. Out of wedlock births are considered shameful and wonít result in a big government welfare check, thus are extremely rare. Not many single mothers in Korea.

What about homelessness? Where do mentally ill people in Korea live? I guess with their parents? But in America they are eventually kicked out of the house if they get caught stealing from the family too many times?

Your ignorance is astounding and comical. Korea has one of the biggest safety nets for young children and pregnant women. Probably close to 10 million won up till they are 6 western age. Keep drinking your kook aid though.


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  • Waygook Lord

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Is it a safety net? Itís a very recent policy to encourage more babies because the birth rate is so low. (Lowest in the world.) More government welfare money = more babies being born. But the U.S. doesnít have nearly as low a birth rate and is not in need of more people. The welfare money (which is higher than the welfare money given in Korea) is done out of a place of good intentions. But the unintended consequence is people who shouldnít be reproducing have more kids, which perpetuates the cycle of poverty.


People say they are hungry and want more food; meanwhile they are grossly overweight.

When I was a kid I volunteered at a food bank; I was shocked by how fat the people picking up the free food were. I thought, ďWhy am I doing this?Ē After the shift was over I never went back.

Does lack of a safety net cause poverty and cause homelessness? I donít think so, because look at South Korea, a capitalist society with historically small government. So how were/are people able to function? One reason is Koreans donít have loads of kids they canít take care of. Out of wedlock births are considered shameful and wonít result in a big government welfare check, thus are extremely rare. Not many single mothers in Korea.

What about homelessness? Where do mentally ill people in Korea live? I guess with their parents? But in America they are eventually kicked out of the house if they get caught stealing from the family too many times?

South Koreans tend to commit suicide when they hit bad financial times, because there isn't really any safety net. Not really a system to emulate.
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Donald Trump is a lying sack of shit


  • Mr C
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People say they are hungry and want more food; meanwhile they are grossly overweight.

When I was a kid I volunteered at a food bank; I was shocked by how fat the people picking up the free food were. I thought, ďWhy am I doing this?Ē After the shift was over I never went back.

As "a kid" I can understand you may have been ignorant, but as an adult, I find your lack of empathy and unwillingness to learn to be quite sad.

Had you bothered, you could have learned about (or indeed still can) the relationship between food insecurity and obesity.  A few examples include the "feast or famine" phenomenon which  contributes to weight gain, the metabolic changes that cause fat storage,  lack of full-service grocery stores and thereby lack of access to high-quality foods, fruits and vegetables, in low-income communities, since lack of dependable transportation is a hallmark of the impoverished.  They often can only shop at convenience stories where fresh produce and low-fat items are few and far between.  And of course, limited access to health care. 

But yeah, I'm sure the food bank you were at was just lazy fat people.
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  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
If fat people eat less food they won't be fat anymore. What's keeping them overweight is consuming too many calories daily. Fasting is actually healthy but it's freaking hard to do; it takes willpower.


  • Mr C
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If fat people eat less food they won't be fat anymore. What's keeping them overweight is consuming too many calories daily. Fasting is actually healthy but it's freaking hard to do; it takes willpower.
Since after all a complicated issue like the relationship between food insecurity and obesity comes down to you stating something everyone knows but just didnít know hard enough .
Mr. C is not a bad person, in fact is quite a good person here. One of the best people on this forum if you really look at it
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  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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I said "of all political stripes".

I made an observation from my childhood.

I don't get into partisan party debates around here.

All kinds of people are calling for the gov't to give them cash. This used to be a Canadian thing. It is becoming an American thing too. That's my point.

America use to have lots of good paying middle class jobs and folks didn't need to get them.  Then, the jobs got shipped overseas and most folks work lower paying jobs with a hand to mouth existence.  Folks always turn to socialism eventually under those cases or they vote for a leader who will bring back the jobs and do something about it. 


  • hangook77
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If fat people eat less food they won't be fat anymore. What's keeping them overweight is consuming too many calories daily. Fasting is actually healthy but it's freaking hard to do; it takes willpower.

Healthy and organic food is expensive.  Kraft dinner on the other hand use to be 99 cents a box.


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
How about eating no food at all for a bit? It's the cheapest option - free! - and great for weight loss.

An overweight body is sustained by the over consumption of calories every day.

Eating less calories is cheaper.

Eating more costs more money and is worse for the environment.

It is possible to get healthy food at a low cost.

But unhealthy food tastes better and/or is more convenient due to less prep. 

I saw a TV show about how many calories overweight people eat per day. It's A LOT.