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I think the dem.’s would rather have the people suffer until after biden gets in. Just my two cents.

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There's no way the Dems are gonna let Trump shove a stimulus through before the election, as bad as it sounds that'd be a blatantly dumb move unless they have some way to really spin it (they don't)


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https://youtu.be/gqPltMpWIwo who knew that Wolf Blitzer was capable of asking basic questions?

The last minute or two of this is excellent.  A lot of my friends in the States lost their jobs because of this.

My memory of him was mostly thinking of this Jeopardy appearance https://youtu.be/DVC28oemocA.
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There's no way the Dems are gonna let Trump shove a stimulus through before the election, as bad as it sounds that'd be a blatantly dumb move unless they have some way to really spin it (they don't)
Yeah, f*ck the people. What matters is defeating Orange Man!


A Biden win will surely result in more stimulus.

Trump and the GOP Senate sure as hell aren't going to pass any, even if Trump wins.
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A Biden win will surely result in more stimulus.

Trump and the GOP Senate sure as hell aren't going to pass any, even if Trump wins.


Dam, you are so dumb.  That is not and has not been the case.


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There's no way the Dems are gonna let Trump shove a stimulus through before the election, as bad as it sounds that'd be a blatantly dumb move unless they have some way to really spin it (they don't)


How would he "shove" it through?


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How would he "shove" it through?
Senate majority has got to be good for something, right  :undecided:
I guess if he really wanted to he could try an executive order? But I'm sure there'd be some legal complications that would get in the way of that, idk. Or they'd at least be able to delay its implementation. 


If they really cared about it they could pass a stand alone bill just for the personal stimulus money. Again I think the Dems are demanding more in order to drag it out past the election.


If they really cared about it they could pass a stand alone bill just for the personal stimulus money. Again I think the Dems are demanding more in order to drag it out past the election.

Do you have a link that shows how it’s the Democrats and not the republicans who are obstructing on this?

Big stimulus bills like this aren’t easily passed, and dems might see themselves as only having one shot at getting what they feel is adequate given the severity of the situation. Perhaps that explains to some extent why they wouldn’t go for a stand-alone bill?

As far as executive orders, didn’t Trump try one to little effect like a month ago? Presidents have little control over pocketbook issues.


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As far as executive orders, didn’t Trump try one to little effect like a month ago? Presidents have little control over pocketbook issues.

Yeah, I don't expect he'd actually get anywhere with it, but at least he could make a whole song and dance of unveiling it then when it inevitably goes nowhere say "well I tried but lousy Democrat obstructionists blah blah" or whatever


Do you have a link that shows how it’s the Democrats and not the republicans who are obstructing on this?

Big stimulus bills like this aren’t easily passed, and dems might see themselves as only having one shot at getting what they feel is adequate given the severity of the situation. Perhaps that explains to some extent why they wouldn’t go for a stand-alone bill?

As far as executive orders, didn’t Trump try one to little effect like a month ago? Presidents have little control over pocketbook issues.

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Heading into the phone call, the sides had narrowed their target for an overall relief price tag: the White House increased its offer to nearly $1.9 trillion, short of the $2.2 trillion legislation House Democrats passed earlier this month. After a Monday afternoon conversation between the pair, Hammill, Pelosi ’s spokesman, said the speaker had tasked House committee chairs with resolving remaining disputes over issues including a national testing strategy, an expansion of tax credits, and relief for state and local governments.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/20/coronavirus-stimulus-update-pelosi-says-relief-deal-with-mnuchin-getting-closer.html


If the dems were really just playing politics on this, wouldn’t they agree to something, however imperfect, before the election and let it the senate republicans take the blame for not passing it? They still oppose another stimulus despite the president’s push for one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/politics/mcconnell-pelosi-stimulus-deal.html


If the dems were really just playing politics on this, wouldn’t they agree to something, however imperfect, before the election and let it the senate republicans take the blame for not passing it? They still oppose another stimulus despite the president’s push for one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/politics/mcconnell-pelosi-stimulus-deal.html

I believe the senate repub's had a bill that helped small businesses but no mention of individual bailouts. But both sides are playing politics. Otherwise, what would the news report? Everyone got along fine on "Capitol Hill today".


I see. I thought your original post was more concerned with payouts to individuals than business bailouts.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/10/22/trump-congress-coronavirus-bailout/  This gives a little more info on what the gopers aren't thrilled about.


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Stimulus Package Unlikely to Clear Congress Before Election: Goldman Sachs
BY TOM OZIMEK October 21, 2020 Updated: October 21, 2020 Print
Analysts at investment bank Goldman Sachs said in a note to clients that, while it’s possible a CCP virus relief package will be adopted by Congress before Election Day, the prospect of that happening is unlikely as key issues remain unresolved.

While Republicans and Democrats mostly agree that another stimulus measure is necessary to boost the economy following months of pandemic-induced lockdowns and stay-at-home orders, the two sides have disagreed over the size of the bill and specific measures, with sticking points that include aid to state and local governments, the amount federal unemployment benefits, and business liability protections.

Goldman economist Alec Phillips was cited by CNBC as saying in a note that “some of the biggest issues remain unresolved and a deal doesn’t seem particularly close.”

“With big differences and little time, it seems unlikely that Pelosi and Mnuchin will reach a deal before the election. More importantly, even if a deal in principle is announced in coming days—this seems possible, but not likely—it looks very unlikely that it would pass before Election Day,” Phillips added.

The note comes as While White House chief of staff Mark Meadows told Fox News on Wednesday that he is optimistic a relief deal can be hammered out soon, noting that negotiations between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin have made progress.

“The last 24 hours have moved the ball down the field,” Meadows told the outlet, adding that a shared goal by both sides is to reach “some kind of deal in the next 48 hours or so.”

Meadows elaborated that “the negotiations have entered a new phase, which is more on the technical side of trying to get the language right if we can agree on the numbers.”

The two are scheduled to speak again on Wednesday afternoon, according to Pelosi’s spokesman Drew Hammill. Following talks on Tuesday afternoon, Pelosi said in a letter that her conversations with Mnuchin “provided more clarity and common ground as we move closer to an agreement.”

“Today’s deadline enabled us to see that decisions could be reached and language could be exchanged, demonstrating that both sides are serious about finding a compromise,” Pelosi said.

Senate Republicans, meanwhile, are slated to vote on their own, smaller and more targeted relief package on Wednesday, reported to be worth around $500 billion.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has been reluctant to adopt another big relief bill, but on Tuesday said that if a bipartisan deal is reached, he would bring it up for a vote on the Senate floor.

The White House insists that an agreement between Pelosi and Mnuchin would find enough votes for passage in the Senate, where Republicans hold a 53-47 majority.

“I believe there would be enough votes there to make sure that we get that across the finish line and to the president’s desk. Again, the focus on Senate Republicans right now, whether the votes would be there or not, is misplaced,” Meadows told reporters.

President Donald Trump has repeatedly called for decisive action as negotiations on the package have stalled. The president has upped his offer to $1.8 trillion or more and insisted Monday that “the Republicans will come along” if a bipartisan deal is hammered out.

Jack Phillips contributed to this report.

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Dam, you are so dumb.  That is not and has not been the case.
Damn, you're wrong again.


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Tow big hold-ups. One is gop conservative caucus members, along with meadows, opposing any more stimulus on ideological grounds. The second is disagreement over where the stimulus will go, with trump asking for great discretion in where lots of the money would go.


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Senate Republicans, meanwhile, are slated to vote on their own, smaller and more targeted relief package on Wednesday, reported to be worth around $500 billion.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has been reluctant to adopt another big relief bill, but on Tuesday said that if a bipartisan deal is reached, he would bring it up for a vote on the Senate floor.

The White House insists that an agreement between Pelosi and Mnuchin would find enough votes for passage in the Senate, where Republicans hold a 53-47 majority.

And Trump is blathering about 1.8 trillion, whereas the GOP Senate can't get past 500 bln.

But somehow Pelosi is the problem ...
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