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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #140 on: October 16, 2020, 11:18:25 am »
I thought the same thing when I responded with my views as to why people shouldn't give artists a hard time for delegating the various tasks of music creation. I mentioned my background in music as evidence for my opinion and stoat felt that I was somehow trying to show off, which I why I believe he's insecure.

Stoat, I'm sure guys like Mr Tim and LIC can back me up on this when I say knowing how to play 4 instruments really isn't that amazing (being a 'specialist' in 4 instruments is and I've never claimed to be that). There's plenty of skill transfer between instruments, particularly if you know a thing or two about music theory. Any decent guitarist is, at least, going to be able to play bass and vice versa. I think you made assumptions of my intent from a position of ignorance, just like you assume that I'm trying to enforce my religious beliefs on you.

Most people are saying I'm pompous so I guess that's one of my many shortcomings, I'll admit, but I've never been out to impress anyone on this forum. I usually train alone in an empty stadium and always practice music alone in an empty room. I say what I do when I feel it's necessary. If you take that as a threat to your ego, you problem, mate.

I'm cool with putting this whole thing to rest.

Inna Lillahi wa inallah-e-raji'oon.

It's true about playing a few different instruments. I've played drums for a long time. When you play in bands, even rinky-dink bands, you practice. When you practice you take breaks. When you take breaks it is ultra common for the guitar, bass and singer to jump behind the drums and pound away. Every musician secretly wants to be a drummer! It's fairly common for a drummer to pick up the bass.

Drummers do it with rhythm :-) so we tend to grab a bass. When I bought a guitar I could strum because I had rhythm. On bass I had rhythm. I was never very good on either, just basic campfire guitar level, but because I was a solid drummer I sounded much better than I really was.

Watch this song. Charlie Adams' solo from Yanni: Live at the Acropolis. Watch a stage full of world class musicians be spellbound by the drums. And you just know every single one of them wished they were behind the kit. Not many feel that way about any other instrument.

Solo starts at 2:10

Drums man. Alex Van Halen was a superb drummer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKdVu5ViGpU


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #141 on: October 16, 2020, 09:21:17 pm »
The USAF Thunderbirds set to Dreams. Dig the pilots forcing air into their lungs through negative G's.

Adjectives do not exist that can express my admiration for the US military. The Thunderbirds fly F-16's and the Blue Angels fly F-18's.

I think the F-16's are prettier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlDog74B1es


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #142 on: October 16, 2020, 10:02:10 pm »
It's a bit long but the Canadian Snowbirds are amazing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvabhATphgQ


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #143 on: October 18, 2020, 05:54:04 pm »
Rick Beato has come close to Alex's snare sound. I think it has a bit of an overtone but it's close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crDns9teyzk


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #144 on: October 19, 2020, 12:18:01 pm »
Van Halen good for Airshows.  But also need some Scorpions - Rock you like a hurricane, some ACDC - Thunderstruck, and Guns and Roses - Welcome to the Jungle.  Prob some others, like Motley Crue - Kickstart my Heart, and others I don't think of. 


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #145 on: October 19, 2020, 03:42:17 pm »


Kiss probably should have done this........
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #146 on: October 19, 2020, 05:57:06 pm »
Yes, people who have never listened to Van Halen lead unfulfilled and empty lives and can't possibly fathom greatness.

It's statements like these that really make rock fans/artists insufferable. Like, I get it and it's a tribute quote during the bereavement period but this notion that people's lives are empty and they don't know what greatness is because they don't enjoy what YOU enjoy is just so incredibly vain.


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #147 on: October 19, 2020, 06:28:16 pm »
here we go


Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #148 on: October 19, 2020, 08:36:56 pm »
Yes, people who have never listened to Van Halen lead unfulfilled and empty lives and can't possibly fathom greatness.

It's statements like these that really make rock fans/artists insufferable. Like, I get it and it's a tribute quote during the bereavement period but this notion that people's lives are empty and they don't know what greatness is because they don't enjoy what YOU enjoy is just so incredibly vain.

Held off a bit on saying what you're saying as I agree, it was a tribute quote, but yeah. "A great musician, loving father and awesome friend who influenced a generation. You will be missed, Eddie." Done!
But "All you, peasants, revel in the greatness that was Van Halen."

Kindly piss off, Eugene. You suck and so does Kiss. My opinion, sue me.

If people think I'm being too harsh, it's because I've dealt with this kind of mindset for decades. You get your first guitar, take an interest in Rock and for the rest of your life, you can count on being surrounded by old, simple-minded blowhards who refuse to entertain the idea that great Rock music can come from anyone other than a famous Rock musician from the 70s or 80s. They'll drum it into your head that you've got to learn from and play "the greats" (Hendrix, Van Halen, ACDC, Zeppelin etc.).

God forbid you try to play anything other than "Dad Rock" at most Rock gigs. The younger Rock crowd are a hell of a lot more open, a hell of a lot more innovative, a hell of a lot more interesting and yes, a HELL of a lot more talented/skilled than these old, balding groupies. I'd jam/hang out with younger Rock musicians any day, at least they've heard of syncopation and know how to use chords that have more than 3-notes. 

Sorry, Eugene and all respect to a great musician who has passed, but I've learned more about how to improve as a Rock musician from 90s Janet Jackson than Van Halen, no exaggeration. 


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #149 on: October 19, 2020, 09:19:39 pm »
Alright, Aristocrat, give us a Top 5 of Young Rock musicians from let's say the 2010s onwards.

It's a bit naive of you to criticize the innovation of rock music from 60s/70s to the present due to the technological advancement of the equipment, recording devices and ease of discovering new talent and sounds (YouTube/Instagram).

Whilst modern musicians, and am just sticking with guitarists here, are very talented and they can do things that you wouldn't see from a 60s/70s old school guitarist, I think that they lack soul or feeling, if you want to call it. The big names of the past are not just famous became of what they played but more in the way they played it: no computers, no Pro Tools, no modelling, pretty much plug-in and play.

I've given modern rock a go but I feel it lacks the depth and expression of "Dad Rock". I've found Progressive Metal through Rick Beato and with more time I'll involve myself in that world as I've enjoyed his discussions with some of the leading players and his own view on "Djent".

« Last Edit: October 19, 2020, 09:31:51 pm by Savant »


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #150 on: October 20, 2020, 07:58:21 am »

Kindly piss off, Eugene. You suck and so does Kiss. My opinion, sue me.

Sorry, Eugene and all respect to a great musician who has passed, but I've learned more about how to improve as a Rock musician from 90s Janet Jackson than Van Halen, no exaggeration. 

On a side note, Gene Simmons was a stage name so there's no Eugene.  He was born Chaim. 


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #152 on: October 20, 2020, 09:19:21 am »
KISS didn't suck. You may not have liked them or appreciated their music, but many (most?) feel the same about Mozart et al. That doesn't mean they suck does it?

No, KISS were an amazing band. One of the biggest acts in the history of music. 75 million records sold...30 million gold (#1 in USA)...14 platinum...3 multi-platinum...Rock n Roll Hall of Fame...a top grossing musical act for years...without an ounce of support from radio and hated by the HoF wannabe doorknobs. Money talks and bullcrap walks, man. KISS did not suck. They did, however, Rock and Roll All Night.


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #153 on: October 20, 2020, 09:26:34 am »
KISS are like the Black Eyed Peas of the 70s, as Motley Crue were to the 80s.

"Women and partying, woaahaah! Gonna have some fun!! Waoahhaah I F**k many women, wowoahhhhahah. HAVE A GOOD TIME!"
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #154 on: October 20, 2020, 10:41:46 am »
john mayer shreds dude


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #155 on: October 20, 2020, 10:45:43 am »
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #156 on: October 20, 2020, 12:11:49 pm »
KISS are like the Black Eyed Peas of the 70s, as Motley Crue were to the 80s.

"Women and partying, woaahaah! Gonna have some fun!! Waoahhaah I F**k many women, wowoahhhhahah. HAVE A GOOD TIME!"

And what, precisely, is wrong with that? I've lived that mantra since the mid-70's and I have had an extremely good time while still having all the trappings of a successful life: marriage, houses, cars, boats, motorbikes, travel and adventures...yadda yadda yadda

Since when does having fun and partying equate to irresponsibility? If I'm reading you right.


Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #157 on: October 20, 2020, 12:18:22 pm »
Alright, Aristocrat, give us a Top 5 of Young Rock musicians from let's say the 2010s onwards.

It's a bit naive of you to criticize the innovation of rock music from 60s/70s to the present due to the technological advancement of the equipment, recording devices and ease of discovering new talent and sounds (YouTube/Instagram).

I think we're misunderstanding things here. I have no beef with any genre, just the fanbase. Just like rabid BTS fans, I have a problem with these old farts who refuse to entertain the idea that other people can go through life listening to/playing amazing music, which does not include Kiss, Zeppelin or ACDC. By all means, enjoy classic Rock to your hearts content, I'm not going to try to convince you that what I listen to is better so return the favour.   

Whilst modern musicians, and am just sticking with guitarists here, are very talented and they can do things that you wouldn't see from a 60s/70s old school guitarist, I think that they lack soul or feeling, if you want to call it. The big names of the past are not just famous became of what they played but more in the way they played it: no computers, no Pro Tools, no modelling, pretty much plug-in and play.

I'll be honest, in all my years I've never heard an acceptable definition or example of this 'soul' thing old guys harp on about. They tend to say "listen to that soul" whenever a guitarist holds a bend or a vibrato. Yeah, that's not soul, that's a shift and oscillation 
in pitch, respectively. Vibratos were already old when Bach was around, they're nothing new. Next time you go to see one of your classic rock bands perform live, see if you can sneak a peak at what's at the guitarist's feet. You'll likely see a huge ass pedalboard
with dozens of pedals. Modern musicians are playing on the same amps (tube amps are still the standard) as the older generation.

I've given modern rock a go but I feel it lacks the depth and expression of "Dad Rock". I've found Progressive Metal through Rick Beato and with more time I'll involve myself in that world as I've enjoyed his discussions with some of the leading players and his own view on "Djent".

I'm not really into Djent, but like every genre, I can find at least one element that I like and learn from it. Modern Rock is so ridiculously varied that it's really a monumental claim to say you've heard it all. Still, you don't have to. It sounds like you've discovered what you love and that's all that matters.

I don't have any top 5s or anything like that, I can never decide. I'll leave you with some a2c (one of my favourite guitarists). You're welcome to say his playing lacks "soul".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-gxXycw9rE&ab_channel=a2c%5BMellowJamStudio%5D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZskhKsi_k0w&ab_channel=a2c%5BMellowJamStudio%5D
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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #158 on: October 20, 2020, 12:23:06 pm »
KISS didn't suck. You may not have liked them or appreciated their music, but many (most?) feel the same about Mozart et al. That doesn't mean they suck does it?

No, KISS were an amazing band. One of the biggest acts in the history of music. 75 million records sold...30 million gold (#1 in USA)...14 platinum...3 multi-platinum...Rock n Roll Hall of Fame...a top grossing musical act for years...without an ounce of support from radio and hated by the HoF wannabe doorknobs. Money talks and bullcrap walks, man. KISS did not suck. They did, however, Rock and Roll All Night.

I believe I made it quite clear that it was just my opinion. I don't think any less of people who enjoy Kiss. Still, my opinion stands, they're generic and bland as a steady diet of ottogi rice, in other words, I think they suck ass. I don't care how many records they sold nor do I give a sh*t whose Hall of Fame they're on, I've never liked them and never will. Incidentally, Justin Bieber is on that same hall of fame. So yeah, I don't need sales and awards telling me what I should and shouldn't like.
Just my opinion.
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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died
« Reply #159 on: October 20, 2020, 12:32:04 pm »
And what, precisely, is wrong with that? I've lived that mantra since the mid-70's and I have had an extremely good time

Nothing. Just seems rather pedestrian. I don't think you're stupid or you need to change, I just find these bands so.............. "Hey everyone! Let's clap along! Let's have a good time. All together now!" Reminds me of a kindergarten teacher but for adults.

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while still having all the trappings of a successful life: marriage, houses, cars, boats, motorbikes, travel and adventures...yadda yadda yadda

UGH.
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?