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  • tylerthegloob
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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #80 on: September 24, 2020, 03:16:56 pm »
i mean thats a cool definition and all, but thats not really what identity politics is


  • stoat
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    • seoul
Re: Defund the police
« Reply #81 on: September 24, 2020, 03:23:50 pm »
it is my truth. What gives you the right as a white male to deny it?


  • 745sticky
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    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #82 on: September 24, 2020, 03:26:34 pm »
it is my truth. What gives you the right as a white male to deny it?

Who says Tyler is a white male? Didn't you see the Ben Shapiro quote I wrote about them?


  • stoat
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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #83 on: September 24, 2020, 03:27:49 pm »
Tyler uses 'they' 'them' pronouns?


  • fka
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    • September 05, 2019, 06:37:44 pm
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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #84 on: September 24, 2020, 04:22:21 pm »
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I want to hear black conservatives who are comfortable being black and being around black people and are active in the black community.

I want to hear from white Canadians and Brits who've never lived in America and don't know anything about American history.


  • stoat
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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #85 on: September 24, 2020, 04:33:32 pm »
I want to hear from white Canadians and Brits who've never lived in America and don't know anything about American history.

Exactly the point I was making about BLM encroaching on UK football and talent shows. Different histories and all that.


Re: Defund the police
« Reply #86 on: September 24, 2020, 04:38:57 pm »
Exactly the point I was making about BLM encroaching on UK football and talent shows. Different histories and all that.

Weird how people around the world have found solidarity with the BLM cause... Must’ve taken an American history course at uni or something.


  • stoat
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    • seoul
Re: Defund the police
« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2020, 04:42:05 pm »
No, just haven't thought about it too much


Re: Defund the police
« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2020, 04:46:48 pm »
No, just haven't thought about it too much

That explains it


  • stoat
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    • seoul
Re: Defund the police
« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2020, 04:52:57 pm »
Yep, 'George Floyd death bad', 'racism bad', is about the limit for most people in the UK I'd say.


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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #90 on: September 24, 2020, 07:20:45 pm »
Exactly the point I was making about BLM encroaching on UK football and talent shows. Different histories and all that.

How exactly are they encroaching and why does it bother you so?


  • stoat
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    • March 05, 2019, 06:36:13 pm
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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #91 on: September 24, 2020, 07:59:39 pm »
It's a political movement many people don't agree with making everyone take the knee at sporting events and pushing some kind of message in entertainment programs. Would you expect to see a defund the BBC dance performance on Britain's got Talent, for example or everyone being coerced to raise a pro-Brexit fist in the air before a cricket match?  It bothers me because it's paving the way for things like forced unconscious bias training at companies, obligatory reading of 'White Fragility' at schools, and other nonsense like that. They bully people into accepting all this by the inference that anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly support them must be a racist who thinks black lives don't matter.
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  • Savant
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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #92 on: September 24, 2020, 09:08:56 pm »
It's a political movement many people don't agree with making everyone take the knee at sporting events and pushing some kind of message in entertainment programs. Would you expect to see a defund the BBC dance performance on Britain's got Talent, for example or everyone being coerced to raise a pro-Brexit fist in the air before a cricket match?  It bothers me because it's paving the way for things like forced unconscious bias training at companies, obligatory reading of 'White Fragility' at schools, and other nonsense like that. They bully people into accepting all this by the inference that anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly support them must be a racist who thinks black lives don't matter.

1) Not everyone is made to take the knee at sporting events. Many choose to because they believe in injustice.
2) A defund the BBC dance would be incredibly boring.
3) Cricket is equally boring and attended by middle-class Brexit supporters, anyway.
4) "Unconscious bias" training = don't be a prick about it at work.
5) Schools are already way under-funded to put such a book on the curriculum.
6) Do you not support or at least understand why the black lives matter movement exists? Denying that there is no injustice towards black people in society could be considered racist or at best putting your head in the sand.


  • stoat
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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #93 on: September 24, 2020, 11:29:50 pm »
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. 6) Do you not support or at least understand why the black lives matter movement exists? Denying that there is no injustice towards black people in society could be considered racist or at best putting your head in the sand.   

You're making my point for me. Not supporting BLM means you think racism doesn't exist and are therefore a racist. That's how they get everyone in the premier league to take the knee and why Ofcom didn't do anything about all the complaints.

How about, I think racism exists and it's bad, and George Floyd shouldn't have been killed, but don't think the UK police are systemically racist?
How about racism exists and is bad and George Floyd shouldn't have been killed, but statistically encounters with US police do not result in black people being killed at a higher rate than other races?
How about racism exists and it's bad and George Floyd shouldn't have been killed, but I don't believe the police should be defunded and mental health workers should take on some of their roles?


Re: Defund the police
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2020, 12:35:03 am »
1) Not everyone is made to take the knee at sporting events. Many choose to because they believe in injustice.

I would hope the act demonstrates that they believe in justice as well!

I don't believe the police should be defunded and mental health workers should take on some of their roles

Surely it makes sense to you to have mental health workers replace police for routine traffic violations.


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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #95 on: September 25, 2020, 01:35:10 am »
In the 1992 presidential campaign, presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton clearly and unreservedly denounced a black rapper named Sister Souljah who had called for the killing of white people. Moreover, Clinton did so at a gathering of the Rev. Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition, where Souljah herself had spoken the previous day. Jackson was furious at Clinton, but the incident reassured voters that the Arkansas governor wasn’t beholden to the furthest left elements of his coalition. Clinton’s “Sister Souljah moment” became political shorthand for having the courage—and basic tactical good sense—to call out lunatic extremism on one’s own side.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/joe-biden-kshama-sawant-moment


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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #96 on: September 25, 2020, 06:41:34 am »
I would hope the act demonstrates that they believe in justice as well!

Of course! Bad turn of words on my part.


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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #97 on: September 25, 2020, 10:53:01 am »
To me identity politics is grouping people together under an immutable characteristic and assuming they think the same way about certain things.

Kinda like how the left describes all Trump supporters as racists eh.


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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2020, 11:01:45 am »
Nah: racism isn't an immutable characteristic. Trump supporters could choose to not be racist if they wanted to.  :smiley:


  • stoat
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Re: Defund the police
« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2020, 11:07:34 am »
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Nah: racism isn't an immutable characteristic

I think there's many in BLM who would disagree with that.