What's up with Koreans not closing doors?

He'll get bored and stop by himself eventually CO2, just soldier through it. Asking him to stop only serves to steel his revolve

Question for Aristocrat, when everyone used to litter back home before what, the early 1980s, was that Western culture or not?

still happens. last weekend in the uk everyone flocked to the beach. the amount of rubbish left behind was awful. there are dickheads in every country

He'll get bored and stop by himself eventually CO2, just soldier through it. Asking him to stop only serves to steel his revolve

Haha... Tru. Could end today if Veronica admitted 'her' mistake. Leftists don't like admitting mistakes though. Hard for them to swallow.

While door closing here can be something to discuss, using kids as OP did is a terrible example. Kids everywhere forget to close doors.

You can't generalize people, but you can certainly generalize cultures and cultures can have a profound influence on people's behaviour, particularly in a homogeneous society.

Everyday, I find myself stuck behind someone who hasn't noticed that the light's been green for about 8sec, drivers changing lanes without looking or parking like absolute douchebags.

Never have I come across so many grown adults leaving doors open, leaving lights on... those same adults (at every school I've taught at) who've been reminding me, every other week for years to turn off the lights, aircon and close the windows when I go home, like I'm 9yrs old. Not once have I forgotten to do so.

Yesterday, we took our Sunday stroll through our favourite little park on the foot of the mountain (they really made it look great by adding ponds, waterfalls, tress and wooded obstacle courses for kids). First thing I noticed, a bunch of assholes had, had a picnic beside the pond and left every bit of trash right there. The wind had blown their paper cups, ramen containers and miscellaneous packets into the fish pond. I'm no Captain Planet, but this is really one of the worst sides of this country; don't preach your nationalist BS on how great Korea when you're not bothered to keep it clean and tidy.
I took off my shoes and spent a quick 2min wading through the pond and getting everything before it sank to the bottom... a few people spotted me and looked on as if I was burying a corpse I'd just murdered.

I believe all this can be traced back to Korean culture. Sure, the West has its cultural frustrations (contrarian culture, perverse desire to be unique etc.)  but this is Korea's paradox; a collective culture that's also encourages one to be incredibly selfish, by not having any concern or awareness for what happens past one's nose... unless it's on a smartphone.

Yeah, I have seen too many people just throw trash on the ground ... it's quite disgusting to me. I also don't like the spitting thing.....

this is not entirely related but I know that many Koreans believe that if you have a fan on in a closed room that you could die....I am used to sleeping with a fan on and have been my entire life but my husband refuses to have the door closed if the fan is on.....he told me we need oxygen and that there would be too much CO2 because of the fan. ..he went so far as to say he knew people that died from it.....he doesn't really know anyone who did and the news made it out to seem like fans were the actual cause of 20 or so people's deaths probably a decade ago

To the littering, yes, Koreans don't seem to care about throwing crap anywhere.  It would be a monumental task to go clean up some of the walking trails I'm out on.  That being said the lack of trash cans in this country is exceptional.  The only option other than littering is often carrying your garbage with you for hours.  So, when you grow up seeing people nonchalantly toss refuse without a second thought you'll follow suit.  On that note, in the last week I have seen two garbage can sets at bus stops in my city.  And these are the ones like back in my hometown that only have small slots at the top so the more frugal Koreans that will haul empty water bottles up to one of the "natural springs"  to get free water aren't going to be able to save pennies by putting all their household trash in them. 

Yeah, I have seen too many people just throw trash on the ground ... it's quite disgusting to me. I also don't like the spitting thing.....

this is not entirely related but I know that many Koreans believe that if you have a fan on in a closed room that you could die....I am used to sleeping with a fan on and have been my entire life but my husband refuses to have the door closed if the fan is on.....he told me we need oxygen and that there would be too much CO2 because of the fan. ..he went so far as to say he knew people that died from it.....he doesn't really know anyone who did and the news made it out to seem like fans were the actual cause of 20 or so people's deaths probably a decade ago

Ask your husband to cite a non-Korean news article that claims fans produce CO2.

Womansplain to him how in order to produce CO2, you need a chemical process to take place. Then ask him in what chemistry class he learned that fan blades moving at 1500 rpm causes a CO2 producing chemical reaction.

If he goes on, ask him what his science score was on the Seuneung and whether this fan question was on it. Ask him why isn't a KAIST graduate and a chemist/engineer/physicist.

Tell him the rest of the world laughs at Koreans for believing this. Show him comics and English sites about it. Tell him if he truly believes it and is too SCARED to sleep with it on, he can spend the night on the couch and you can sleep in the bedroom with the door closed and we'll see who is right.

Also, you can buy a CO2 detector (or better yet, insist he buy it and prove his ludicrous notion to you) and have it right in front of a full blast fan. When it doesn't go off, tell him to call the CO2 detector company and complain. Sit back and enjoy the reaction. 

When doing these, give him every opportunity to deescalate and bow out gracefully. Offer some carrots for compliance. But this is an argument that should not be taking place.

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Question for Aristocrat, when everyone used to litter back home before what, the early 1980s, was that Western culture or not?

Anyone who thinks culture doesn't influence the behaviour or actions of people is an idiot.

In Cape Town, the Camps Bay promenade and beach is usually pretty damn clean. However, after Boxing Day, it's an absolute dump. Why? Thousands of people from the townships flock to the promenade to party on Boxing Day. Said people are typically far less educated and in a far more drunken state than the the regulars who frequent the area. Black South Africans who've lived in the townships for generations have also developed a different culture from Whites in Constantia (posh suburb in Cape Town), its not racial, its circumstance.

Littering can be done for different reasons and culture is just one of them. With Koreans, in Korea, the culture is strictly monogamous. This means, when I see the same behavioural pattern repeated by folks driving a Mercedes and folks driving beat down Bongo trucks, young and old, the factors which cause littering becomes narrowed down and a cultural component becomes a likely candidate.

Western countries are generally multicultural, Eastern countries are not. In a monocultural environment, with the vast majority of the population sticking to a particular culture, the frequency of actions and behaviour which are the result of cultural norms becomes more prevalent than in the West.

Just the way things are.

Anyone who thinks culture doesn't influence the behaviour or actions of people is an idiot.

In Cape Town, the Camps Bay promenade and beach is usually pretty damn clean. However, after Boxing Day, it's an absolute dump. Why? Thousands of people from the townships flock to the promenade to party on Boxing Day. Said people are typically far less educated and in a far more drunken state than the the regulars who frequent the area. Black South Africans who've lived in the townships for generations have also developed a different culture from Whites in Constantia (posh suburb in Cape Town), its not racial, its circumstance.

Littering can be done for different reasons and culture is just one of them. With Koreans, in Korea, the culture is strictly monogamous. This means, when I see the same behavioural pattern repeated by folks driving a Mercedes and folks driving beat down Bongo trucks, young and old, the factors which cause littering becomes narrowed down and a cultural component becomes a likely candidate.

Western countries are generally multicultural, Eastern countries are not. In a monocultural environment, with the vast majority of the population sticking to a particular culture, the frequency of actions and behaviour which are the result of cultural norms becomes more prevalent than in the West.

Just the way things are.

The great cultural diversity of 1950s America?

Ask your husband to cite a non-Korean news article that claims fans produce CO2.

Womansplain to him how in order to produce CO2, you need a chemical process to take place. Then ask him in what chemistry class he learned that fan blades moving at 1500 rpm causes a CO2 producing chemical reaction.

If he goes on, ask him what his science score was on the Seuneung and whether this fan question was on it. Ask him why isn't a KAIST graduate and a chemist/engineer/physicist.

Tell him the rest of the world laughs at Koreans for believing this. Show him comics and English sites about it. Tell him if he truly believes it and is too SCARED to sleep with it on, he can spend the night on the couch and you can sleep in the bedroom with the door closed and we'll see who is right.

Also, you can buy a CO2 detector (or better yet, insist he buy it and prove his ludicrous notion to you) and have it right in front of a full blast fan. When it doesn't go off, tell him to call the CO2 detector company and complain. Sit back and enjoy the reaction. 

When doing these, give him every opportunity to deescalate and bow out gracefully. Offer some carrots for compliance. But this is an argument that should not be taking place.

I think I'll settle for laughing to myself about it because whether the door is open or shut is of no great importance to me

The great cultural diversity of 1950s America?

That's my point, it's the same in SA.

During the 50's, both countries were racially divided. A big part Hendrick Verwoed's ideology was to preserve Afrikaner culture by segregating the races. 1950's America, same thing, they feared multiculturalism. Blacks in the US and SA developed their own unique culture, just as white Americans, white South Africans and coloured South Africans because... that's what people do when they live in the same place and share the same circumstances.

Not sure why you brought up 1950s America, my point is that cultures do influence people's behaviour and in predominantly monocultural places like Korea, Japan, China or Saudi Arabia, scholars of Mathematics and Statistics will tell you that you'll find a larger percentage of the population having their behaviour influenced by their respective culture.

Oh, and cultures absolutely do change/adapt. Even stubborn ones like Korean, Asian and Japanese culture.

Have I written anything incorrect?

Heaven forbid you leave your shoes on in your own house though!

I don't start the lesson till the offender rectifies the door situation.

In the office if a repeat offender keeps leaving the door open I make a show of getting up and closing it in that ever so slightly harder than natural sound followed by a slow walk back to my chair and a long, slow, loud sit back down motion. Just enough to make them aware of their crimes.

That's my point, it's the same in SA.

During the 50's, both countries were racially divided. A big part Hendrick Verwoed's ideology was to preserve Afrikaner culture by segregating the races. 1950's America, same thing, they feared multiculturalism. Blacks in the US and SA developed their own unique culture, just as white Americans, white South Africans and coloured South Africans because... that's what people do when they live in the same place and share the same circumstances.

Not sure why you brought up 1950s America, my point is that cultures do influence people's behaviour and in predominantly monocultural places like Korea, Japan, China or Saudi Arabia, scholars of Mathematics and Statistics will tell you that you'll find a larger percentage of the population having their behaviour influenced by their respective culture.

Oh, and cultures absolutely do change/adapt. Even stubborn ones like Korean, Asian and Japanese culture.

Have I written anything incorrect?

My point in bringing up 1950s-1980s littering in America is why isn't this considered 'Western culture'? The problem with the culture argument is that people tend to be extremely arbitrary with what they classify as "culture" and tend to tkae the smallest thing and overemphasize its significance and attribution to "culture" and miss the forest for the trees. As I'm fond of pointing out, it's a bigger culture shock for an NK defector to go from North Korea to South Korea than from South Korea to the U.S.

As far as stubbornness, given where Korea was in the year 1950 and where it is now, I'm not sure the claim of stubbornness holds up.

I lived in a multi-story apartment when I started my first job in Korea.  It was probably almost 20 stories high.  With most tall, modern multi-story buildings there is a fire-escape stair well.  The stair well had smoke doors that automatically closed to prevent the spread of smoke.

I noticed one day that someone was stopping the smoke door from closing by tying a piece of string to the door handle and attaching it to something else.    This meant that the stair well would no longer be free from smoke in the event of a fire.

I used to cut the string so the door closed.  Next day the door with be tied open with string.  I would then cut the string and so on.

still happens. last weekend in the uk everyone flocked to the beach. the amount of rubbish left behind was awful. there are dickheads in every country

I read an interesting book on the subject recently.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11786180-litter

Haha... Tru. Could end today if Veronica admitted 'her' mistake. Leftists don't like admitting mistakes though. Hard for them to swallow.

Oh for Heaven's sake, HOW CAN THIS BE A PARTISAN ISSUE!?@!? 

Being forktards on the internet is obviously a right-wing thing, huh?

this thread gets totally off track yet the other thread has 3 off topic silly comments but gets a threatening letter?? and y'all wonder why the same folks are the only ones to comment LOL

Is it off track though? The discussion seems to be about whether or not culture is responsible for various actions (like littering, not closing doors etc), and if so, to what extent. Seems related.

Is it off track though? The discussion seems to be about whether or not culture is responsible for various actions (like littering, not closing doors etc), and if so, to what extent. Seems related.

NO, WE MUST ADHERE TO DOOR COMMENTS AND, IF NECESSARY, DRAWINGS AND PICTURES OF DOORS.