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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2021, 09:38:36 am »
Me:  "There are only 2 genders". 

Prof: "There are 69 million genders.  You get an F."

Me:  "F you A-hole!"

Where did you go to university? In a bar? While my professor taught a chapter on CRT and was a staunch feminist, she didn't penalise me for brutally criticising both CRT and contemporary feminism in education as I used sources, justification and demonstrated a proper understanding of the subject matter.


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2021, 09:58:25 am »
Where did you go to university? In a bar? While my professor taught a chapter on CRT and was a staunch feminist, she didn't penalise me for brutally criticising both CRT and contemporary feminism in education as I used sources, justification and demonstrated a proper understanding of the subject matter.

My uni 20 years ago had outdated books in their library from the 60s to 80s and online stuff was in it's infancy then.  I backed up as much as I could.  But their books were outdated and all had the same left leaning biased.  I did use current journals and news magazines to supplement.  In Sociology where my prof was into cuddle criminals, I wrote about Mayor Giuliani cleaning up New York City with the "broken windows theory".  He really didn't like that and claimed I didn't use enough book sources, except his book sources were all outdated and all shared the same left bias.  If he had a variety books from both points of view and current theories up until the late 90's and early 2000's, I would have used it.  But academia gets set in their ways and they don't like new thinking (except for when it's wacky and nutty like 200 genders nonsense).  Broken windows was new at the time and none of the school library books had anything about it.  Mostly outdated crap from the 70's.  So, he found an excuse to ding me because I didn't mimic his left wing talk.  Just a bit though.  I still came out with a B or B-for final grade both semesters, I can't remember.  Somewhat respectable I guess.  I prob would have gotten a B+ or A. 

But I had to take a business course with another sociology prof and this guy was a real piece of work.  He took the cake compared to the other prof.  Only one course with this guy due to it being a cross discipline course.  I had to settle for a C+ because I wouldn't do his left wing talking points.  He was much worse and unreasonable and paranoid all his students were cheating. 
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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2021, 11:24:44 am »
I remember we went over the theory of cathode ray tubes
in one of my classes. But, they are very rare these days, so
I am not surprised you didn't study about them.


Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2021, 11:39:19 am »
My uni 20 years ago had outdated books in their library from the 60s to 80s and online stuff was in it's infancy then.  I backed up as much as I could.  But their books were outdated and all had the same left leaning biased.  I did use current journals and news magazines to supplement.  In Sociology where my prof was into cuddle criminals, I wrote about Mayor Giuliani cleaning up New York City with the "broken windows theory".  He really didn't like that and claimed I didn't use enough book sources, except his book sources were all outdated and all shared the same left bias.  If he had a variety books from both points of view and current theories up until the late 90's and early 2000's, I would have used it.  But academia gets set in their ways and they don't like new thinking (except for when it's wacky and nutty like 200 genders nonsense).  Broken windows was new at the time and none of the school library books had anything about it.  Mostly outdated crap from the 70's.  So, he found an excuse to ding me because I didn't mimic his left wing talk.  Just a bit though.  I still came out with a B or B-for final grade both semesters, I can't remember.  Somewhat respectable I guess.  I prob would have gotten a B+ or A. 

But I had to take a business course with another sociology prof and this guy was a real piece of work.  He took the cake compared to the other prof.  Only one course with this guy due to it being a cross discipline course.  I had to settle for a C+ because I wouldn't do his left wing talking points.  He was much worse and unreasonable and paranoid all his students were cheating. 
Or maybe you had as poorly reasoned points then as you do now.

Are there hard leftists in academia who are unreasonable? Yes. But most hard left peofessors will at least give you credit if you are funny, raise good points, creative, and unorthodox, while also willing to learn and listen.

Now this was peak DeMart Kucinich hippie days, but I'd still have some conservative positions on certain things, often related to sympathy for religious groups (My big Con Law paper was on Yoder v. Wisconsin), or groups in debate class that drew the tough position. The big highlight being the time one group drew Pro on Bush's new Star Wars missile defense program. They didnt believe in it and walked in dreading the firing squad they knew was coming. Luckily I got to ask the first audience question before the slaughter could start and with the simple question of "In your research did you come across anything that would suggest the tech developed from this could be used to develop other technologies with civilian uses in communications or even health care? R that this system might have other uses such as shielding us from asteriods?", a lifeline was tossed, which they grabbed, and whch everyone else soon went with.

My liberal prof appreciated what I did for my classmates.

The point of this self-congratulatory story? Your liberal professor that you accuse of bias may indeed have been biased, against you having poor arguments, being unsympathetic, and an unwillingness to learn, not your positions themselves.


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2021, 12:04:49 pm »
my college was pretty liberal and i didnt have any problems with my professors either. then again, even our leftie professors were pretty behind the times by current standards, haha. i think most places even the more left-wing professors are still fairly close to classic liberal, the kookier ones are usually visiting professors or whatever that bounce around academia since most places want to have them but dont end up keeping em, haha


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2021, 12:48:40 pm »
Or maybe you had as poorly reasoned points then as you do now.

Are there hard leftists in academia who are unreasonable? Yes. But most hard left peofessors will at least give you credit if you are funny, raise good points, creative, and unorthodox, while also willing to learn and listen.

Now this was peak DeMart Kucinich hippie days, but I'd still have some conservative positions on certain things, often related to sympathy for religious groups (My big Con Law paper was on Yoder v. Wisconsin), or groups in debate class that drew the tough position. The big highlight being the time one group drew Pro on Bush's new Star Wars missile defense program. They didnt believe in it and walked in dreading the firing squad they knew was coming. Luckily I got to ask the first audience question before the slaughter could start and with the simple question of "In your research did you come across anything that would suggest the tech developed from this could be used to develop other technologies with civilian uses in communications or even health care? R that this system might have other uses such as shielding us from asteriods?", a lifeline was tossed, which they grabbed, and whch everyone else soon went with.

My liberal prof appreciated what I did for my classmates.

The point of this self-congratulatory story? Your liberal professor that you accuse of bias may indeed have been biased, against you having poor arguments, being unsympathetic, and an unwillingness to learn, not your positions themselves.

I just told you there were no newer books and none with the other point of view.  They were all old and of a left wing bias.  Nothing new, so I had to use some news articles to get my stats talking about how New York's crime rate fell in the 90's.  He used that as an excuse to ding me a bit.  A little bit, not a lot.  Claimed I used news links and not enough books.  But the books he had were old and all left wing.  He should have had newer books and with both points of view.  Mine was argued with data, numbers, statistics, and tied the "broken windows theory" into how it's application dropped crime rates in New York City.  But I had to use some news articles because their books were all from the 1970's and had the outdated cuddle criminals.  (Of course that has returned to New York City now along with defund the police and crime is soaring again.  But that is for another time.) 

As for a professor or teaching assistant taking bad attitudes, well who's the real asshole and who is arrogant?   My arguments are well articulated even if you don't like them.  Too bad for you.  The point is I completely backed up what I said using the current sources at that time.   This was as opposed to others in the class who went to the library and used those outdated books from the 1970's with their left biases and wrote "safe" papers on topics the prof wanted to hear.  I went to a small university and knew the professor.  He really didn't like reading what I wrote about being tough on crime. 


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2021, 12:50:38 pm »
Gotta agree with Martino. I graded a lot of papers as a graduate student only came across a few that were very obviously pushing a conservative line. At least one of them was reasonably well-argued and met the basic requirements of the assignment. I remember two that were flat-out bonkers, just angry stream-of-consciousness rants that went way off course, barely addressed the essay topic and, insofar as they tried to support their arguments with sources, used exclusively non-academic ones. I made sure to mention all of this, politely, in my feedback, but I'm reasonably certain that those students chalked up their bad grades to "liberal bias".

It's usually a strong signal that someone has no idea what goes on in academia when they assume that professors care very deeply about the ideological leanings of 19-year-olds whom they'll only have contact with for one semester. A typical work week for a tenure-track professor involves preparing lectures, teaching 12-15 hours per week, meeting with and reading drafts from the grad students they supervise, managing their TAs, filling out horribly time-consuming grant applications and ethics clearance forms, writing research papers, doing peer review and / or editing work for journals, responding to student e-mails, building a mountain of paperwork to fulfill accountability and transparency requirements, organizing conference sessions and communicating with colleagues, collaborators and research participants. That's if they don't have any extra admin responsibilities, which many people do. And on top of this, there's an expectation that they will keep up to date with all the new research published in their specialist field.

Trust me, most of these people have a lot more to worry about than an undergrad's political views. If you don't act like an asshole in class or produce terrible work, nobody cares. You come and go in a pack of hundreds. There will be more conservative students to replace you next semester. Really, no one gives a shit.

As I said above, I know what it is to articulate and to use sources to back up what I say.  Every point I made I could back up.  That wasn't the point.   
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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2021, 01:54:29 pm »
I mostly studies science, so political perspective rarely came into it.

To answer the opposite of this question the most useful things I
studied were probably math and English.  Learning to put together
a coherent essay was very useful. The math was good for thinking
logically and gave a framework for problem solving. The actual equations,
theorems and proofs were mostly irrelevant.


Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2021, 02:21:20 pm »
Haha... back in the wild 1990s we had a little somethinh called the "University of the Khao San Road"

Less "IN DEPTH" than another university, but a lot of good bang for your buck... And no timewastign!  :police:


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2021, 02:29:32 pm »
Haha... back in the wild 1990s we had a little somethinh called the "University of the Khao San Road"

Less "IN DEPTH" than another university, but a lot of good bang for your buck... And no timewastign!  :police:

Yeah, that would be the University of Posers. Or, are you
referring to the diploma mills?


Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2021, 02:34:23 pm »
I just told you there were no newer books and none with the other point of view.  They were all old and of a left wing bias. 
Books such as......?

You couldn't avail yourself of any of the sources at the campus library? You were explicitly forbidden from using any other sources than the ones he specified?

News links? Did you just link to something on the New York Post and not the actual research itself which claimed to say what you said?

Not surprising you got a bad grade. If someone was against say, (insert popular conservative position here) and their sources were some link to an article on Jezebel and they submitted that and not the actual research and analysis thereof, they'd get a crap grade too.


Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2021, 02:35:23 pm »
You get a B- from me, too.
Softie.

Teachers like fka are why we have grade inflation!

I kid, I kid.


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2021, 04:00:45 pm »
My degree is in chemical engineering, but I did 2 years of pre-med (technically a chemistry major) before switching.

Ethics is up there. Some provinces made you write an ethics test for licensing, but ours included it in the university programs. I think it was better to do it while still in the exam writing frame of mind.

The winner, though, was “Intro to Chemical Engineering” which I took after 1.5 years of chemistry - before I officially switched. It was half balancing chemical equations (which I could do in my sleep by then) and half unit conversation (with an open book exam).

I understand how freshman ChE student needed these skills, but for my it was useless. If I had made the decision to switch I would have asked for a waiver or challenged the exam.



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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2021, 04:17:27 pm »
My degree is in chemical engineering, but I did 2 years of pre-med (technically a chemistry major) before switching.

Ethics is up there. Some provinces made you write an ethics test for licensing, but ours included it in the university programs. I think it was better to do it while still in the exam writing frame of mind.

The winner, though, was “Intro to Chemical Engineering” which I took after 1.5 years of chemistry - before I officially switched. It was half balancing chemical equations (which I could do in my sleep by then) and half unit conversation (with an open book exam).

I understand how freshman ChE student needed these skills, but for my it was useless. If I had made the decision to switch I would have asked for a waiver or challenged the exam.



I know some other engineers here. What is the deal with that?
I thought engineering was very marketable anywhere.


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2021, 04:29:31 pm »
I know some other engineers here. What is the deal with that?
I thought engineering was very marketable anywhere.
I worked as an engineer in Korea. I left Korea back in 2019, but still like reading this site.


Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2021, 04:46:22 pm »
So glad I don't have to deal with today's uni environment.  I assume the profs would fail me for bias?  I did get some slight mark down in a couple of courses for not towing the leftist line in a couple of intro sociology electives.  But not too bad.  Still came out both semesters with a B.  Though may have been a B plus or A minus if I hadn't of challenged some things?  The markdown today? 

Me:  "There are only 2 genders". 

Prof: "There are 69 million genders.  You get an F."

Me:  "F you A-hole!"

Later, me putting this guy and his name all over social media and conservative groups and which school he teaches at.  At least I wouldn't take it lying down even if I prob couldn't do anything much else.  At least I'd give him some grief on the way out the door. 

At least back in the day, a couple of left leaning profs, I actually liked and they had these things called personality.  But today, they must all be off the deep end.  The woke kids and the woke profs, a smorgasbord of crazy all mixed together.  What used to be the center was moved with the goal posts to the left and is now called the center by some in the fake news media.  So, a centrist from Billy Clinton's era is now a right winger even if they have done nothing different.  Old Billy was out raping women, but he at least had the good sense not to meddle in the economy too much.  Maybe it was because he was too busy raping women.  Who knows?  But he did good on the economy for a Democrat because he went along with Newt Gingrich back in the day. 



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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2021, 11:23:56 pm »
I know some other engineers here. What is the deal with that?
I thought engineering was very marketable anywhere.
Burnout, not sure how true it is but was constantly told the average career span of an electrical/computer engineer is like 6 years. Tons of them switch jobs because it's so stressful with deadlines, and politics. Also very toxic environment, it's very very male dominated. Women engineers have it tough, that Activision/Blizzard scandal shows it has along way to go when it comes to how the industry treats women. Also, job opportunities cycle like in any other industry, and some just are unlucky with the timing. There are like 4/5 major branches of engineering, and each of them do have different up/down cycles where grads can't get jobs. Lot of them go back to school, or just switch industries all together even before they get a chance to get a degree related job.