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Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« on: June 08, 2020, 10:40:16 am »
 the consequences of calling it the chinese virus do more harm than good.

What consequences? All other virus strains and suchlike are named after the place or country where they originated. Why must we pander to China? The CCP put the world into this situation, why cut them ANY slack?
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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2020, 11:03:57 am »
it's not pandering to china. i think we should avoid calling any virus by it's country of origin. call it the CCP virus if you want, i truly don't give a shit. but pretending this position makes me a CCP sympathizer (which i'm certainly not) is a logical leap that only the truly "brightest" among you (colburnn and L I) could justify. this also really isn't the thread for this discussion, so i'm not gonna respond here about it

(the naming convention recommendations are 5 years old. get your tin foil hats out)
https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-diseases/en/


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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2020, 11:05:25 am »
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All other virus strains and suchlike are named after the place or country where they originated.

Come on, use a little bit of common sense. That is an utterly preposterous thing to say.

I've never heard anyone argue that we're cutting ancient Egyptians slack by referring to the virus that causes smallpox as Variola. Or that Mexico is being let off too lightly because the 2009 strain of H1N1 isn't referred to as "Mexican flu" by the WHO. Should tuberculosis be called "Greek bacterium"? Bubonic plague "Swedish Neolithic Disease"?

There are reasons why scientists give names to life forms. If you think that political correctness and pandering to China are paramount among those reasons, maybe you ought to learn more about how these processes work.


Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2020, 11:13:11 am »
the consequences of calling it the chinese virus do more harm than good.

I prefer the term 'CCP virus'. I agree, blaming all of China fits right into the CCP's narrative as they'll use that to intensify rabid nationalism. Call it the CCP virus and you distinguish Chinese people from their mafia government.

The only reason people need to make such a fuss about this is in regard to the circumstances surrounding the virus. I'd be happy to call it Covid-19 if it was purely the result of terrible hygiene standards in China.
It needs to be labeled as the CCP virus as a result of said government's attempts to protect its reputation at the cost of the lives and livelihood of every citizen on Earth.

In the same way, the CCP has pressured Wikipedia and many Western outlets to refer to the 'Tiananmen Square Massacre' as the 'Tiananmen Square Incident'/'June 4th Incident' or simply '_____________'. Out of respect for those kids who were in fact massacred, we call it what it was, so we can never forget. If someone murdered a family member, how would we feel if the family member was referred to as a suicide? 


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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2020, 11:21:08 am »
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no amount of crying and stomping your feet will change it.

You're demanding that the World Health Organization and global scientific community completely reset how they name life forms and associated diseases, on this one occasion, just to maintain an association with China. That position is more rational than following established conventions?

What if two new virus strains are discovered in Canada next year? I mean, we could start by calling the first one "Canadian disease" but what happens when the latter one appears? Do we just neglect to distinguish between them, and call them both "Canadian disease"? Or go with "Canadian Disease 1" and "Canadian Disease 2"? What about all the research and health guidance that will have been published referring simply to "Canadian Disease" before this retroactive renaming occurs?
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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2020, 11:24:39 am »
Here are 17 other diseases named after populations or places:

West Nile Virus
Named after the West Nile District of Uganda discovered in 1937.

Guinea Worm
Named by European explorers for the Guinea coast of West Africa in the 1600s.

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Named after the mountain range spreading across western North America first recognized first in 1896 in Idaho.

Lyme Disease
Named after a large outbreak of the disease occurred in Lyme and Old Lyme, Connecticut in the 1970s.

Ross River Fever
Named after a mosquito found to cause the disease in the Ross River of Queensland, Australia by the 1960s. The first major outbreak occurred in 1928.

Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever
Named after its 1940s discovery in Omsk, Russia.

Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever
Named in 1976 for the Ebola River in Zaire located in central Africa.

Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)
Also known as “camel flu,” MERS was first reported in Saudi Arabia in 2012 and all cases are linked to those who traveled to the Middle Eastern peninsula.

Valley Fever
Valley Fever earned its nickname from a 1930s outbreak San Joaquin Valley of California, though its first case came from Argentina.

Marburg Virus Disease
Named after Marburg, Germany in 1967.

Norovirus
Named after Norwalk, Ohio after an outbreak in 1968.

Zika Fever
First discovered in 1947 and named after the Zika Forest in Uganda.

Japanese Encephalitis
Named after its first case in Japan in 1871.

German Measles
Named after the German doctors who first described it in the 18th century. The disease is also sometimes referred to as “Rubella.”

Spanish Flu
While the true origins of the Spanish Flu remain unknown, the disease earned its name after Spain began to report deaths from the flu in its newspapers.

Lassa Fever
Named after the being found in Lassa, Nigeria in 1969.

Legionnaire’s Disease
Named in 1976 following an outbreak of people contracting the lung infection after attending an American Legion convention in Philadelphia.



Just those who want to be politically correct are now objecting to naming them after places.
 
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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2020, 11:43:27 am »
Yep, and there are hundreds more that aren't named after places. You'll notice that many of those diseases were discovered and named when biological science was considerably less advanced than it is today. Some of those diseases are also colloquial terms that have different, official scientific names.

Again, you can call it whatever you want. Nobody cares. But to demand that the global scientific community overhaul its classification conventions, on this one occasion, to satisfy your political urge, is not a sensible position.

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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2020, 11:47:46 am »
only the truly "brightest" among you (colburnn and L I) could justify.

Classic. Seriously, what is it with you people and going down the 'anyone who challenges me on one of the beliefs I hold is a f*cking dumbass route.' It's pathetic. You graduated University right? You had to apply yourself right? Answer the f*cking point and keep the personal attacks out of it. You want to be regarded as the 'brightest' then actually talk. F*CK. Easier to just suck yourself off and sneer down from that tower, right?

CHINA. THE CHINESE. THE CCP. f*cked us all by trying to save face above all else. ANYONE making excuses for them can take a running jump into the nearest trash pile. The Wuhan Flu (Called COVID-19 by scientists) was made in China and may it be known throughout history. Hitler started the war, shall we just forget that too to let Germany off the hook? No. It's history. It happened. China f*cked us. It happened. F*CK.

You're demanding that the World Health Organization and global scientific community completely reset how they name life forms and associated diseases, on this one occasion, just to maintain an association with China. That position is more rational than following established conventions?

The established protocol is naming outbreaks where they came from and has been for a long time. This is the Wuhan Flu. It came from Wuhan, China. May the history books always represent that. Why do you not want it to be named the Wuhan Flu? Because a few people got called Chinese? Got anything else than that?
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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2020, 11:52:09 am »
Why do you not want it to be named the Wuhan Flu? Because a few people got called Chinese? Got anything else than that?

Because it is more helpful to anyone wishing to learn about the virus and affiliated disease to ascertain, from its name, that it is a coronavirus which causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, and is distinct from the SARS virus that emerged in 2003.

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The established protocol is naming outbreaks where they came from and has been for a long time.

"The best practices state that a disease name should consist of generic descriptive terms, based on the symptoms that the disease causes (e.g. respiratory disease, neurologic syndrome, watery diarrhoea) and more specific descriptive terms when robust information is available on how the disease manifests, who it affects, its severity or seasonality (e.g. progressive, juvenile, severe, winter). If the pathogen that causes the disease is known, it should be part of the disease name (e.g. coronavirus, influenza virus, salmonella)."

From Tyler's link.
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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2020, 11:57:53 am »
good thing this thread got derailed...

keep the personal attacks out of it

says the guy going on a tirade to defend his own personal attacks... yeah... so long as you call me xi (like a dumbass) i'm gonna call you a ****** dumbass

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The Wuhan Flu (Called COVID-19 by scientists) was made in China

now the flu was MADE? who made it? you're truly unhinged dude



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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2020, 11:59:40 am »
Because it is more helpful to anyone wishing to learn about the virus and affiliated disease to ascertain, from its name, that it is a coronavirus which causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, and is distinct from the SARS virus that emerged in 2003.

"The best practices state that a disease name should consist of generic descriptive terms, based on the symptoms that the disease causes (e.g. respiratory disease, neurologic syndrome, watery diarrhoea) and more specific descriptive terms when robust information is available on how the disease manifests, who it affects, its severity or seasonality (e.g. progressive, juvenile, severe, winter). If the pathogen that causes the disease is known, it should be part of the disease name (e.g. coronavirus, influenza virus, salmonella)."

From Tyler's link.

I think it is important to know how China's political leadership, censoring, and communist outlook is responsible for the spread of Wuhan Flu around the globe, crippling economies, killing hundreds of thousands and stripping people of freedom.

That should never be forgotten.

'It's a strain of corona virus' Yeah, you can Google that.
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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2020, 12:02:57 pm »
good thing this thread got derailed...

says the guy going on a tirade to defend his own personal attacks... yeah... so long as you call me xi (like a dumbass) i'm gonna call you a ****** dumbass

now the flu was MADE? who made it? you're truly unhinged dude



I called you Xi because you defend the CCP, Xi. Not because you're a dumbass.

Ok you pedantic little gimp. Made as in 'IT CAME FROM. Read between the lines.
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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2020, 12:03:42 pm »
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In the same way, the CCP has pressured Wikipedia and many Western outlets to refer to the 'Tiananmen Square Massacre' as the 'Tiananmen Square Incident'/'June 4th Incident' or simply '_____________'.

On Wikipedia "The Tiananmen Incident" refers to a series of protests that occurred in 1976. The 1989 events are described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests

In the first paragraph it states that 'June 4th Incident' is how the events are referred to in mainland China, while widely known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre elsewhere. During the recent anniversary of the event I never heard it referred to as anything other than a massacre, sometimes with "protests" included for context.


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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2020, 12:11:55 pm »
I think it is important to know how China's political leadership, censoring, and communist outlook is responsible for the spread of Wuhan Flu around the globe, crippling economies, killing hundreds of thousands and stripping people of freedom.

That should never be forgotten.

'It's a strain of corona virus' Yeah, you can Google that.

So just to be clear, do we invent disease naming conventions as we go along, based on the different political circumstances surrounding each new bacterium, virus, or set of identifying symptoms? Or are you asking the global scientific community - which includes Chinese researchers, whose work has been, and will be, important to achieving a better understanding of SARS-COV-2 and COVID-19 - to change the rules on this one occasion?


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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2020, 12:17:48 pm »
So just to be clear, do we invent disease naming conventions as we go along, based on the different political circumstances surrounding each new bacterium, virus, or set of identifying symptoms? Or are you asking the global scientific community - which includes Chinese researchers, whose work has been, and will be, important to achieving a better understanding of SARS-COV-2 and COVID-19 - to change the rules on this one occasion?

There are technical/scientific names for many things in this world, but in reality we call them something else down the pub.

Wuhan Flu.

China kept it under wraps, the World should never forget that.
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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2020, 12:22:11 pm »
I called you Xi because you defend the CCP, Xi. Not because you're a dumbass.

Ok you pedantic little gimp. Made as in 'IT CAME FROM. Read between the lines.

another insult. nice! also, i don't defend the CCP, that's in your head. if you read above, you'll see i said feel free to call it the CCP virus.

"China kept it under wraps, the World should never forget that."

at least we can agree on one thing?


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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2020, 12:30:37 pm »
There are technical/scientific names for many things in this world, but in reality we call them something else down the pub.

Wuhan Flu.

China kept it under wraps, the World should never forget that.

You can call it the FKA Disease down the pub for all anyone cares. It is borderline derangement to see WHO disease naming guidelines, published in 2015, and argue that SARS-COV-2 and COVID-19, which follow those guidelines, are so called through some combination of SJW-mandated political correctness and deference to China. I guess you could call the psychological abnormality Colburnnn Syndrome.


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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2020, 12:44:03 pm »
You can call it the FKA Disease down the pub for all anyone cares. It is borderline derangement to see WHO disease naming guidelines, published in 2015, and argue that SARS-COV-2 and COVID-19, which follow those guidelines, are so called through some combination of SJW-mandated political correctness and deference to China. I guess you could call the psychological abnormality Colburnnn Syndrome.

Herp derp someone is challenging me about naming a virus to avoid people being called names. Herp derp better call them a racist and a dumbass!

Can't help it can you. Pathetic.

Wuhan Flu.
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Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2020, 01:01:47 pm »
Have you considered applying for a job as an infectious disease specialist with the World Health Organization? It's a mystery as to why your talents are being wasted on teaching English in Korea, when your expertise clearly lies elsewhere.


Re: Should Covid-19 be named after point of origin?
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2020, 01:02:32 pm »
It appears none of you understand what she's saying. She clearly says the cop is guilty. What you fail to grasp is that she's also saying don't worship Floyd because he was a bad man. I agree with both sides of that. Floyd was trash, he didn't deserve what happened to him, but that does not negate the fact he was trash. And yes, his past does matter. You all seem to keep bringing up Trump's past, but then again, you're liberals and therefore two-faced and incapable of critical thought.

100% in agreement.  You are only one of a few people here that really sees the situation and truth behind it.  I'm glad I'm not alone.