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Second corona wave incoming
« on: May 23, 2020, 02:38:54 am »
Yesterday.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2020, 07:00:45 am by Cohort 2019 »
incumbo studiis


Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2020, 06:59:53 pm »
Ask yourselves the big question. You know, the one no one is asking out of politically correct sheepish stupidity.


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2020, 07:59:29 am »
what's the big question dude?


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2020, 09:02:50 am »
Toronto idiots





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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2020, 09:06:12 am »
Toronto idiots


Redundant


:laugh:        :laugh:


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2020, 09:51:29 pm »
It looks like folks in NA have decided to party lie it's 1999.


Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2020, 07:33:41 am »
Toronto idiots


lol i keep hearing about the trinity bellwoods stuff from my friends back home . What a bunch of morons


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2020, 08:46:15 am »
Florida.


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2020, 10:17:36 am »
An elementary school teacher has passed away yesterday...while 250 children have been treated for Kawasaki these past months in Europe.
https://www.tctmd.com/news/kawasaki-link-covid-19-kids-probed-uk-new-york-issue-alerts

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About 18 percent of all teachers are aged 55 or older. That age group accounts for about 92 percent of deaths in the United States due to COVID-19, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,[/size]
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incumbo studiis


Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2020, 10:23:08 am »
Florida.

Yes, although many people on Florida beaches and such are tourists or people that do not have permanent residence in Florida


Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2020, 01:05:01 pm »
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'I thought this was a hoax': Patient in 30s dies after attending 'COVID party'

SAN ANTONIO, Texas (WOAI/KABB) – A patient in their 30s died from the coronavirus after attending what's being called a "COVID party," according to a San Antonio health official.

Chief Medical Officer of Methodist Healthcare Dr. Jane Appleby said the idea of these parties is to see if the virus is real.

"This is a party held by somebody diagnosed by the COVID virus and the thought is to see if the virus is real and to see if anyone gets infected," Dr. Appleby said.

According to Appleby, the patient became critically ill and had a heartbreaking statement moments before death.

"Just before the patient died, they looked at their nurse and said 'I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it's not,'" Appleby said.

Appleby made this case public as the spike in cases for Bexar County continues. She wants everyone, especially those in the younger demographic, to realize they are not invincible.

"It doesn't discriminate and none of us are invincible," Appleby said. "I don't want to be an alarmist, and we're just trying to share some real-world examples to help our community realize that this virus is very serious and can spread easily."

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party

We are in July and people are still unsure if the virus is real or not?  Is this kind of thing not illegal, by deliberately infecting others especially if someone dies from it?  'Hoax' is a word I'm starting to get really sick of. 


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2020, 01:14:08 pm »
Yes, although many people on Florida beaches and such are tourists or people that do not have permanent residence in Florida

You're not going to have huge numbers of tourists this year or at this time of year.  My dad is retired down there and just today we were chatting about the incredible 15,000 cases in one day.  He said a big cause of those spikes is the push for testing among the young and asymptomatic crowd and big numbers of young people are no surprise, testing positive.  I really think Korea is avoiding mass testing because it wants low reported numbers.  With all the worry about students coming back there should have been mass testing across the country of all school staff a couple of weeks before the target return date.  The fact that they didn't do that indicates to me they figured if you didn't have symptoms they didn't want to know.  Don't test, don't know is their policy. 


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2020, 01:28:59 pm »
There's no *need* for mass testing in Korea.
As the numbers are so very low, it would be a huge expenditure of resources for very little gain. Rather than taking the shot gun approach, they are using those resources to do contact tracing, which is far more effective in finding the infected (assuming it's possible to do so).

On the other hand, there are over 3,400,000 confirmed cases in the USA, which is over 1% of the total population. It's estimated that there are another 17,000,000 infected that have not yet been tested (about 7% of the total population). With those numbers, contact tracing is pointless. Systematic mass testing is the only logical way to move forward.

Of course a country wants to keep the reported numbers down, but to not test because of it is just asking for much higher numbers down the road. From how quickly and firmly they reacted to the onset of the pandemic, it's pretty clear that Korea is prioritizing keeping the number of infected as low as possible over saving face. Which is a nice change of pace.


Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2020, 01:34:54 pm »
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Testing early, testing late: four countries’ approaches to COVID-19 testing compared

South Korea, Italy, UK and US all discovered their first cases in late January – you can see that in this chart. But they went on to adopt very different approaches to testing, and experienced very different outbreaks.

Below, we compare differences between the four countries in their testing strategies and in the growth of confirmed cases over time. We look in turn at three windows of time between mid-January and early May. Tips on how to read the charts shown below are given in the box on the right.

Overall we see that Korea tested early and widely to monitor the outbreak and bring it under control quickly. Italy, the UK, and the US did not.

Tests vs confirmed cases – up to 7th March

South Korea
South Korea began widespread testing very early on: in the first days of February it shifted its policy to open public testing available also to asymptomatic people; and pursuing contact tracing for all confirmed cases. As you see in the chart here, testing quickly ramped up to more than 10,000 people per day

By the middle of March, South Korea had already passed the peak of its outbreak: as you see in the chart, the country never saw much more than 600 new confirmed cases per day. As the number of new confirmed cases fell, testing continued as the same rate.

United States
For this crucial early period, no data on testing was being published in the US.

Tests vs confirmed cases – up to 7th April

United States
Testing in the US only began in earnest in mid-March. It then increased rapidly, to more than 100,000 tests per day by the end of March.

But whilst the number of tests in the US began to outstrip other countries, so did its outbreak. In early April, the number of new confirmed cases passes 30,000 per day – 50 times higher than South Korea’s peak.

South Korea
A similar level of testing continued in South Korea, despite confirmed cases having fallen to very low levels. Here, of the 10,000 people tested each day in early April, fewer than 100 were confirmed as being infected.

Tests vs confirmed cases – up to 7th May

United States vs South Korea
The outbreak in the US continued to accelerate until mid-April – a whole month after the peak in South Korea. By the beginning of May, the total number of confirmed cases in the US had passed one million – already one hundred times more than the total number of confirmed cases in South Korea across the outbreak. As the number of daily confirmed cases gradually fell from mid-April, still more cases were added to that count each day than were found in South Korea over the entire outbreak.

The US continued to increase testing capacity, and it now dwarfs other countries in absolute terms. But relative to its outbreak, testing remained low by international standards. Only from late April did the number of tests per confirmed case – for the first time – begin to rise.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing-us-uk-korea-italy

Korea tested early, contact-tracing, people wore masks, took precautions earlier, so fewer tests needed now.  The US didn't, so now have to do more tests. 


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2020, 01:38:49 pm »
There's no *need* for mass testing in Korea.
As the numbers are so very low, it would be a huge expenditure of resources for very little gain.
There's no *need* for mass testing in Korea.
As the numbers are so very low, it would be a huge expenditure of resources for very little gain.


If you're only making testing available or recommending testing for those symptoms of course your numbers would be lower.  One of the smart moves they're making back home is encouraging the young and asymptomatic to get tested.  Everyone can go get tested easily.  My dad did it at drive-thru place.  My mother and brother popped into a clinic and in two hours were able to check their results online.  Doing less testing and pointing to lower numbers as a result is avoiding dealing with it head on.  Korea was handling it well but took their foot off the gas in regards to testing.  There are absolutely loads of asymptomatic people at the schools and gyms and in the packed restaurants.  And they will spread it.  The way in which people view masks as the ultimate defense is frightening.  I have to ride the subway in the morning and it's packed, but everyone feels safe because of masks.  Guaranteed there are spreaders on every train every day. 


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2020, 01:59:45 pm »
Korea's test positivity rate is an indicator that it's doing well (though false negatives aren't really discussed here as much as they should be, and I do think there's an over-reliance on reacting only to positives). The per capita testing rate has fallen below other countries but it's not bad considering the scale of the problem. 


Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2020, 07:12:49 pm »
You're not going to have huge numbers of tourists this year or at this time of year.  My dad is retired down there and just today we were chatting about the incredible 15,000 cases in one day.  He said a big cause of those spikes is the push for testing among the young and asymptomatic crowd and big numbers of young people are no surprise, testing positive.  I really think Korea is avoiding mass testing because it wants low reported numbers.  With all the worry about students coming back there should have been mass testing across the country of all school staff a couple of weeks before the target return date.  The fact that they didn't do that indicates to me they figured if you didn't have symptoms they didn't want to know.  Don't test, don't know is their policy. 

The death rate in the US is shooting up after a couple months of declining. So "we test more so there's more cases" doesn't make any sense any more, plus it's what Trump says to avoid guilt.
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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2020, 09:48:51 pm »
You're not going to have huge numbers of tourists this year or at this time of year.  My dad is retired down there and just today we were chatting about the incredible 15,000 cases in one day.  He said a big cause of those spikes is the push for testing among the young and asymptomatic crowd and big numbers of young people are no surprise, testing positive.  I really think Korea is avoiding mass testing because it wants low reported numbers.  With all the worry about students coming back there should have been mass testing across the country of all school staff a couple of weeks before the target return date.  The fact that they didn't do that indicates to me they figured if you didn't have symptoms they didn't want to know.  Don't test, don't know is their policy. 
Almost 20% of those tested  in FL test positive.

I don't know about a "push" for testing since there are currently long lines with seven-hour waits at some testing sites, and they are being forced to open more sites. Contact tracing may be a factor but reports are that many people aren't answering their phones when called.


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2020, 10:36:21 pm »
"INCOMING!"


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Re: Second corona wave incoming
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2020, 11:19:01 pm »
It seems like like the top leaders in the US, Brazil, and Russia are just willing to tolerate tons of people dying or suffering long-term harm not well understood right now.   Other countries but those seem to stand out  in particular because of their geopolitical influence and media coverage.  Social distancing is nearly impossible in a place like India even if they do know the consequences. From what I have read, there is no clear evidence that even a vaccine will end COVID-19 though it will obviously help fight the problem; we might just have to live with this in some form or another.  It’s hard not to be pessimistic when something like this hits and people are just willing to make simple changes.  We will probably see more and more of these as the environment changes.  We live in interesting times.