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  • NorthStar
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1362

    • July 05, 2017, 10:54:06 am
    • Mouseville
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #260 on: August 05, 2020, 11:36:42 pm »




  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

    • 5529

    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #262 on: August 06, 2020, 08:44:44 am »
More nonsense.....

http://koreabridge.net/jobs/masan-asap-start-gyopo-welcome-jobpost

Some of the Facebook groups do have better paying offers though you may not be able to be location specific.  Also, other countries are hiring with either more money or similar money and a much reduced cost of living.  Get yourself a good in class TESOL before going there.  If I didn't make over 3 million won a month, I'd be gone already.  I'd have enough self respect not to accept that low of pay.  But to each their own, no matter how much they try to justify it. 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are still blocked and I can't see them.


  • NorthStar
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1362

    • July 05, 2017, 10:54:06 am
    • Mouseville
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #263 on: August 06, 2020, 11:08:16 pm »
Some of the Facebook groups do have better paying offers though you may not be able to be location specific.  Also, other countries are hiring with either more money or similar money and a much reduced cost of living.  Get yourself a good in class TESOL before going there.  If I didn't make over 3 million won a month, I'd be gone already.  I'd have enough self respect not to accept that low of pay.  But to each their own, no matter how much they try to justify it. 

What other countries? 


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7852

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #264 on: August 07, 2020, 04:53:42 am »
Heíll say China and Vietnam but the truth of the matter is the English teaching abroad industry as  a whole is on the decline in so far as earnings / savings potential for native speakers. Not as good as it used to be and getting slightly worse every year. Which makes it a dangerous field to invest into. With time people get older. Age discrimination is real. Retraining for a new career and getting hired is difficult because of this. Korea went downhill for ESL opportunities, but other spots around the world - South America, Europe, the Middle East - even more so. Increased English ability among locals AND technology has reduced demand.


  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

    • 5529

    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #265 on: August 11, 2020, 05:55:43 am »
Heíll say China and Vietnam but the truth of the matter is the English teaching abroad industry as  a whole is on the decline in so far as earnings / savings potential for native speakers. Not as good as it used to be and getting slightly worse every year. Which makes it a dangerous field to invest into. With time people get older. Age discrimination is real. Retraining for a new career and getting hired is difficult because of this. Korea went downhill for ESL opportunities, but other spots around the world - South America, Europe, the Middle East - even more so. Increased English ability among locals AND technology has reduced demand.

Those other places you mentioned never paid well.  Vietnam and China are the two best paying right now and you can do your own research.  Convert the salaries into both Korean Won and your own country's currency.   Keep in mind a lower living cost there and more savings potential.  Daves and other websites will have the info you seek. 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are still blocked and I can't see them.


  • NorthStar
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1362

    • July 05, 2017, 10:54:06 am
    • Mouseville
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #266 on: August 12, 2020, 01:32:26 am »
Those other places you mentioned never paid well.  Vietnam and China are the two best paying right now and you can do your own research.  Convert the salaries into both Korean Won and your own country's currency.   Keep in mind a lower living cost there and more savings potential.  Daves and other websites will have the info you seek. 

Dave's really is not useful any more.  It is overrun by  recruiters and agencies...especial ly on the Korea and China job forums.   Perhaps if there were a  DIRECT HIRE option, that could be better. 

Korea certainly has gone downhill, in regards to the industry.  China....only if one has to. Vietnam....the industry there is just as dodgy, perhaps even more so.  Split shifts, multiple schools, horrid recruiters, fly-by-night schools. 

It really is a shit-show....all around.   


  • NorthStar
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1362

    • July 05, 2017, 10:54:06 am
    • Mouseville
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #267 on: August 12, 2020, 08:35:19 am »
So...Reach to Teach is saying that schools are REQUIRING nights AND weekends....for 7-10 days of holiday.


https://www.reachtoteachrecruiting.com/apply-now-to-teach-english-abroad.html#/jobdetails/job_20200520061615_WNGJPF3LKIBJ1IZG


  • creeper1
  • Veteran

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    • September 09, 2010, 09:02:08 am
    • Hwaseong City
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #268 on: August 16, 2020, 12:21:50 pm »
Unfortunately it seems a major economic depression is on its way. It way weíll be 2003 until 2033 due to westerners entering TEFL in droves due to lack of other opportunities.

Here is an analysis by nouriel roubini

https://youtu.be/4xrmRku1MGY


  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

    • 5529

    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #269 on: August 21, 2020, 09:31:29 am »
Dave's really is not useful any more.  It is overrun by  recruiters and agencies...especial ly on the Korea and China job forums.   Perhaps if there were a  DIRECT HIRE option, that could be better. 

Korea certainly has gone downhill, in regards to the industry.  China....only if one has to. Vietnam....the industry there is just as dodgy, perhaps even more so.  Split shifts, multiple schools, horrid recruiters, fly-by-night schools. 

It really is a shit-show....all around.   

Direct hires have always been rare.  But some academies do post on there and elsewhere themselves.  It is country specific.  Also check the various Facebook groups too.  Some jobs with better pay and work conditions are out there to be found.  But the countries all have different conditions.  China pays a lot more as they seem more and more desperate.  I have seen 24,000 to 30,000 rmb job offers at the highest ends with free housing.  Vietnam highest offers see salaries in the low 2000's dollar a month range (US Doillars).  You may have to pay a couple of hundred dollars rent yourself there.  Some better places may provide housing.  2.1 million would be 1700 or 1800 a month US.  So, clearing the same or slightly more from Vietnam with a much cheaper cost of living does allow you to pay things off or save up much more money.  There are a handful of other Asian countries hiring 2000 US a month or more for experienced teachers and those with TESOL or CELTA,  I have seen.  But, those will want more professional candidates.  These places have a cheaper cost of living.  So, more savings potential. 

I had a couple of friends who did EPIK here.  One was a certified teacher and went to an international school in China.  He got free housing and he also got extra tutorials.  He then got his friend a job there.  His friend was not a certified teacher and was married to a Filipino.  They had a son.  He said up until a couple years ago, he had been making in the low 3'0s but only he worked and he was struggling financially.  His wife couldn't work.  Then he got a biatch coteacher who hated teachers who got him non renewed.

He ended up at this international school.  He didn't work hard in rural Korea.  City EPIK makes you work harder (IE ME).  So, he went there in China.  He works much much harder he says.  But he does privates and school doesn't care.  He gets paid with free housing.  They even hired his Filipino wife to work part time.  He says between the two of them and some privates, he's saving US 4000 a month.  He was struggling in Korea at the end.  Level 1 plus in a rural place can still be a good salary for a single person.  It would have carried a family 10 years ago.  But not now.  Korea has gotten expensive. 

If I didn't have my deal I would have been gone already.  I wouldn't do a 2.1 million crapwon.  I'd expect at least upper 2.0s and even that would be a pay cut. 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are still blocked and I can't see them.


  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4618

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #270 on: August 27, 2020, 06:06:43 am »
Just saw this beauty:

Hi guys.
My precious academy is currently looking for a new teacher to start ASAP!

Position at an Academy in Seocho near Seoul National uni of Education station / 교대

* Open to Gyopo or foreigners (E2 or F visa)
* Hours- 1PM~8PM
* Pay- 1.9~2M
* No housing
* Start date ASAP 8/31
* Contact: seochobis@naver.com


  • 745sticky
  • The Legend

    • 2252

    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
    • Korea
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #271 on: August 27, 2020, 08:22:01 am »
Just saw this beauty:

Hi guys.
My precious academy is currently looking for a new teacher to start ASAP!

Position at an Academy in Seocho near Seoul National uni of Education station / 교대

* Open to Gyopo or foreigners (E2 or F visa)
* Hours- 1PM~8PM
* Pay- 1.9~2M
* No housing
* Start date ASAP 8/31
* Contact: seochobis@naver.com

Thoughts and prayers for whoever takes this


  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4618

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #272 on: August 27, 2020, 08:48:00 am »
Mate I saw about 10 people saying they were applying


  • 745sticky
  • The Legend

    • 2252

    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
    • Korea
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #273 on: August 27, 2020, 09:06:10 am »
Mate I saw about 10 people saying they were applying

Hopefully they're all obsessive K-pop fans or something so I don't have to feel bad for them. If not I guess I'm just thankful I've never been at a point in my life where I'd have to consider 1.9 + no housing in Seoul.


  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

    • 5529

    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #274 on: September 04, 2020, 02:39:45 am »
Hopefully they're all obsessive K-pop fans or something so I don't have to feel bad for them. If not I guess I'm just thankful I've never been at a point in my life where I'd have to consider 1.9 + no housing in Seoul.

Boy, I think I am underestimating people's stupidity.  I guess some rich kids who have no student loans and don't need the money? 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are still blocked and I can't see them.


  • 745sticky
  • The Legend

    • 2252

    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
    • Korea
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #275 on: September 04, 2020, 11:00:41 am »
Boy, I think I am underestimating people's stupidity.  I guess some rich kids who have no student loans and don't need the money?

Even if you graduate with no student loans, saving is still a pretty big priority for most people - personally, I don't particularly like the idea of working past retirement.

I'd imagine that kids rich enough to not have to worry about college loans or retirement or anything financially really probably wouldn't come to Seoul to work as teachers, they'd just come here and party or whatever.

So, yeah, this reeks of either obsession or desperation.


Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #276 on: September 05, 2020, 11:47:30 am »
You guys have just had it too good for too long so a job like that seems mind boggling.

Here in Taiwan, and probably most countries in the world to be honest except Korea and mainland China, you pay for your own rent. You, generally donít get a yearly completion bonus, you get paid by the hour (no holiday pay) and the idea that someone would pay for your flight forward and back to your home country is frankly laughable.

You guys are spoiled rotten.


  • VanIslander
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    • June 02, 2011, 10:12:19 am
    • South Gyeongsang province for 13 years (with a 7-year Jeju interlude)
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Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #277 on: September 05, 2020, 02:56:11 pm »
Here in Taiwan, and probably most countries in the world to be honest except Korea and mainland China, you pay for your own rent. You, generally donít get a yearly completion bonus, you get paid by the hour (no holiday pay) and the idea that someone would pay for your flight forward and back to your home country is frankly laughable.

You guys are spoiled rotten.
Hence why i am in my 18th year here, enjoy my holidays and vacations, get a month's pay extra bonus at year's end AND a flight reimbursement I didn't need, and pay no rent and don't ever have to go to work before 3pm in the afternoon, rarely have to work after 9pm.

I have it bad.
I have it good.

I am figuring it out. ;)

Give me another 20 years.

Edit: in 2003 a lunch of kimchi stew was 3000 won, a can of Coke 500 won and an ice cream treat 300-800 won. Prices have SURGED from 2006-2014, now absurdly three to four times more. Believe it or not, in 2003 it was HARD for me to blow my paycheque in a month without travelling. In 2020 it Is EASY to blow half a paycheque in a blackout weekend.

It is NOT 2003 again. But i wish it was.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2020, 03:06:02 pm by VanIslander »
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  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

    • 5529

    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #278 on: September 07, 2020, 05:42:52 am »
You guys have just had it too good for too long so a job like that seems mind boggling.

Here in Taiwan, and probably most countries in the world to be honest except Korea and mainland China, you pay for your own rent. You, generally donít get a yearly completion bonus, you get paid by the hour (no holiday pay) and the idea that someone would pay for your flight forward and back to your home country is frankly laughable.

You guys are spoiled rotten.

That's why you find a country with a cheap living cost where the pay and savings potential makes up for those things.  Plenty of them do exist.  Not sure if it's Taiwan, though it does have a cheaper living cost than Korea.  But is it cheap enough to make up for flights and rent?  Well, I probably would do Vietnam and others where your savings would make up for those things.  If you are a single person and have no debts or student loans back home, you can live okay if you live frugally here.  But loans, saving up, etc wouldn't be worth it.  I wouldn't stay here if I made 2.1 million won a month.  Liking BTS or Super Junior or whomever doesn't make it worth it to put up with that.  (I'm speaking to you young teachers.) 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are still blocked and I can't see them.


  • Kayos
  • The Legend

    • 2402

    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: It is 2003, again!
« Reply #279 on: September 07, 2020, 07:58:54 am »
That's why you find a country with a cheap living cost where the pay and savings potential makes up for those things.  Plenty of them do exist.  Not sure if it's Taiwan, though it does have a cheaper living cost than Korea.  But is it cheap enough to make up for flights and rent?  Well, I probably would do Vietnam and others where your savings would make up for those things.  If you are a single person and have no debts or student loans back home, you can live okay if you live frugally here.  But loans, saving up, etc wouldn't be worth it.  I wouldn't stay here if I made 2.1 million won a month.  Liking BTS or Super Junior or whomever doesn't make it worth it to put up with that.  (I'm speaking to you young teachers.)

I'm a single person, and came to Korea with debt. In my 4 years here, I never lived frugally, and have paid it all off.
I also don't like BTS and stuff like that. I also started on 2.1, but am currently on 3.0 - and have been public school all the way.
I still feel Korea is cheap enough to save a fair bit. But, I guess it depends on what you enjoy during the weekends and stuff. I'm mostly a shut in and don't go out much - but by choice as I don't like going out much. I've traveled abroad every vacation, minus this summer as we couldn't because of the 'rona.