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    • April 02, 2013, 03:05:44 pm
It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« on: May 08, 2020, 08:06:09 am »
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/05/119_289141.html

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As students are expected to go back to school later this month and study through the summer to catch up with what they missed due to the COVID-19 pandemic, one of the biggest questions is whether air conditioning is safe to use.

On Thursday, the Ministry of Education released a guideline to keep all windows at least one-third open at all times while running air conditioning.

Don't be closing those windows!   :laugh:


  • thunderlips
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • June 07, 2012, 10:01:55 am
    • South Korea
Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2020, 08:10:38 am »
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/05/119_289141.html

Don't be closing those windows!   :laugh:

So we chose between possible COVID-19 exposure or certain exposure to dangerously high levels of air pollution.


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    • March 05, 2019, 05:23:12 pm
    • Gwangju
Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2020, 08:30:05 am »
well at least they are 'allowing' the aircon to be ran at all. previous discussions said they said no aircon.


Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2020, 08:49:46 am »
So we chose between possible COVID-19 exposure or certain exposure to dangerously high levels of air pollution.

Your KF94 mask will save you from both :)


  • oglop
  • The Legend

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2020, 09:19:43 am »
so, err, should i still be running my expensive classroom samsung air purifier or not?


Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2020, 09:35:21 am »
This is such a BS half-measure. Between 20 and 30 kids from urban populations crammed in a classroom but it's okay because that pesky AC can't get 'em? The main issue is proximity to sick people; something we can virtually guarantee by starting school too early. This is going to suck for students and teachers alike and will have negligible impacts on covid19 transmission. These aren't unmasked strangers sharing an enclosed space in a restaurant for a short while; they're friends and peers who'll spend the whole day sharing the same few spaces (including bathrooms with inadequate hand-washing facilities) and socially interacting. Also they're children so they'll absolutely get it wrong. They won't necessarily show any symptoms because children are largely unaffected creating the possibility of a new wave of asymptomatic disease-vectors whose lives dictate that they regularly interact with people more vulnerable to the disease (school staff and their older relatives). The first semester is a write-off. We should just cut our losses and start fresh in the second semester.

When MERS was hitting Korea every classroom in our school received a few big bottles of hand sanitizer for the students and staff but we weren't allowed to have the students use it because "it'd take too long". I expect these good hand-washing policies to last until about lunchtime on the first day back when people see firsthand how long it takes for 100s of students to actually do it properly. School bathrooms are hygiene theater, but the half-open windows nonsense will stick because it's a low-effort way to conform (air pollution and wasted electricity be damned).


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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2020, 09:49:28 am »
Incidentally, the wasted electricity is gonna cause more air pollution.


Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2020, 04:31:35 pm »
You know while I agree that there are some issues, the general sciebtific consensus is that recirculating A/C is considered risky and that open air us safer than enclosed spaces.

Also, I think Korea has earned at least a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. I mean, they've done comparatively better than just about every country on the planet so maybe the people in charge do have a clue.


Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2020, 06:18:31 pm »
Why don't people understand this?  Schools do not have the virus.  Schools are the last place you'd get it IF everyone has been quarantining at home.

You get the virus from outside of schools, like going to the mall, stores, or clubs....hence the itaewon outbreak of 13 more cases and potentially 500 more cases as there were some 1300 people in those clubs and area.  That's where you get the virus!

Why on earth would they keep schools closed yet open clubs???? Clubs are the worst social distancing venues! Everyone is rubbing up against each other.    So because clubs spread the virus again, this means schools may be closed even longer and possibly for the rest of the year.

Once again, schools do not spread the virus.  Schools are part of the quarantine.  All you have to do is have students go from home to school like all the teachers have been doing for the last 4 months and nobody is sick.

The weirdest part about all this is that schools actually have allowed students to school for "daycare/after care program".  In my school we have about 7 students or more coming to school everyday and they spend the entire day at school together.  How is this not proof that it works ???  They've been doing this for 3 weeks now.    If they can sit together, play together, mingle, how is this not against the "school closure rules"?  I don't get it.  Students are ok to come to school for "day care" (basically means just use the computers and play board games all day), but we can't have small classes?   

We are paying the price because of some idiots grinding it up in nightclubs in itaewon??  Schools are not the problem as long as everyone continue self-quarantine and just travel to your quarantine locations.

Also, there's no way this thing is every going to work if we don't allow for different rules in different parts of the country.  Many areas have no cases and they still have to have schools shut down because another area half way across the country had a few cases in some distant city?

Someone is always going to drop the ball and spread the virus to a few people somewhere in the country and everyone has to pay the price for it.   This doesn't seem right.


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  • The Legend

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2020, 07:03:46 pm »
https://m.news.naver.com/read.nhn?mode=LSD&sid1=001&oid=022&aid=0003463447

schools might be delayed again due to the itaewon new cases. mad


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2020, 08:30:31 am »
Why don't people understand this?  Schools do not have the virus.  Schools are the last place you'd get it IF everyone has been quarantining at home.

You get the virus from outside of schools, like going to the mall, stores, or clubs....hence the itaewon outbreak of 13 more cases and potentially 500 more cases as there were some 1300 people in those clubs and area.  That's where you get the virus!

Why on earth would they keep schools closed yet open clubs???? Clubs are the worst social distancing venues! Everyone is rubbing up against each other.    So because clubs spread the virus again, this means schools may be closed even longer and possibly for the rest of the year.

Once again, schools do not spread the virus.  Schools are part of the quarantine.  All you have to do is have students go from home to school like all the teachers have been doing for the last 4 months and nobody is sick.

The weirdest part about all this is that schools actually have allowed students to school for "daycare/after care program".  In my school we have about 7 students or more coming to school everyday and they spend the entire day at school together.  How is this not proof that it works ???  They've been doing this for 3 weeks now.    If they can sit together, play together, mingle, how is this not against the "school closure rules"?  I don't get it.  Students are ok to come to school for "day care" (basically means just use the computers and play board games all day), but we can't have small classes?   

We are paying the price because of some idiots grinding it up in nightclubs in itaewon??  Schools are not the problem as long as everyone continue self-quarantine and just travel to your quarantine locations.

Also, there's no way this thing is every going to work if we don't allow for different rules in different parts of the country.  Many areas have no cases and they still have to have schools shut down because another area half way across the country had a few cases in some distant city?

Someone is always going to drop the ball and spread the virus to a few people somewhere in the country and everyone has to pay the price for it.   This doesn't seem right.

Schools can get the virus - early into NZ covid times some of the first areas to get it were high schools. Before they went into lockdown, a student at a university went to school, and spread it around a little too.
For the most part, the data will show schools haven't spread it much. But schools have been among the first things shut down once cases pick up. So it's more like, governments haven't really given schools the chance to spread it like work places.


Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2020, 08:45:41 am »
Schools can get the virus - early into NZ covid times some of the first areas to get it were high schools. Before they went into lockdown, a student at a university went to school, and spread it around a little too.
For the most part, the data will show schools haven't spread it much. But schools have been among the first things shut down once cases pick up. So it's more like, governments haven't really given schools the chance to spread it like work places.

I totally get you.  I know what you mean.  IF a student gets it and is at school, at that point, of course transmission could be fast with all contacts and close proximity to other students.    This would also be more likely amongst old students like high schoolers and university because those people are old enough to go out and travel to places in the city alone.   But again, where did the student get the virus?  Obviously not in school, but for having been someplace else that they shouldn't have been like PC bangs, clubs, or just loitering around the city for fun.   Those are the things that should be closed, not schools.   

If you keep your quarantine routine, all you'd technically be doing as a student is going to school and home.  Ideally, you shouldn't be going out to socialize and be in public places where lots of other people are.  That's the whole point of quarantine.   It makes no sense that they can do all of those things and then close schools as if we are blaming schools for being the cause of transmissions.


In the case of younger students like elementary where I am, it's even LESS LIKELY that any kid would have the virus and spread it in school.   If they do have the virus, the question then is WHERE did they get it from?  The answer to that question is the PROBLEM, not schools. 

The whole irony behind this is that parents are going out all the time, working, socializing, shopping at stores, and then they come to their kids.   How is that not MORE dangerous to the kids than sending them to school?    How don't parents quarantine themselves each time they come home from being outside at work or shopping or socializing?   They are endangering their own children at home!

But then they think its too dangerous or risky to send their kids to school?

The point is.  If anyone has the virus, it would be traceable first at home before you find out at school.   It doesn't just magically appear in school.  If people kept the quarantine routine, technically speaking, schools then would be as safe as being at home because you can't get the virus if nobody is sick.   



  • Kayos
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1852

    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: It's about to get a whole lot worse!
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2020, 09:18:24 am »
I totally get you.  I know what you mean.  IF a student gets it and is at school, at that point, of course transmission could be fast with all contacts and close proximity to other students.    This would also be more likely amongst old students like high schoolers and university because those people are old enough to go out and travel to places in the city alone.   But again, where did the student get the virus?  Obviously not in school, but for having been someplace else that they shouldn't have been like PC bangs, clubs, or just loitering around the city for fun.   Those are the things that should be closed, not schools.   

If you keep your quarantine routine, all you'd technically be doing as a student is going to school and home.  Ideally, you shouldn't be going out to socialize and be in public places where lots of other people are.  That's the whole point of quarantine.   It makes no sense that they can do all of those things and then close schools as if we are blaming schools for being the cause of transmissions.


In the case of younger students like elementary where I am, it's even LESS LIKELY that any kid would have the virus and spread it in school.   If they do have the virus, the question then is WHERE did they get it from?  The answer to that question is the PROBLEM, not schools. 

The whole irony behind this is that parents are going out all the time, working, socializing, shopping at stores, and then they come to their kids.   How is that not MORE dangerous to the kids than sending them to school?    How don't parents quarantine themselves each time they come home from being outside at work or shopping or socializing?   They are endangering their own children at home!

But then they think its too dangerous or risky to send their kids to school?

The point is.  If anyone has the virus, it would be traceable first at home before you find out at school.   It doesn't just magically appear in school.  If people kept the quarantine routine, technically speaking, schools then would be as safe as being at home because you can't get the virus if nobody is sick.   

However, for middle school and up, most of them are probably going to hakwons too. They'll probably need to get something to eat so they might go buy something during a break.
As for parents, shopping can be a necessity. I know we can get stuff delivered online and what not, however, for meat and vegetables I prefer to buy it in person. Maybe they need to buy supplies, clothes, or something else for their children too. There are a number of legit reasons to continue shopping atm.
And not all jobs are able to be done from home. We could argue, that opening schools right now could be bad, if a parents go to work, gets it, spreads it to their child/ren, and then has them spread it in a school.
They could even get it on their way to school. Some students may take the town bus, or subway, or walk, and go past people who may be infected without knowing.

While, currently it is very unlikely it will spread in a school; Current data is skewed mostly because schools were closed early in most/all countries but, it could potentially spread in a school if a student gets infected by it in some way.

But I agree, if everyone is sticking to quarantine measures, it's unlikely it will. But, humans are the worst and not everyone is going to adhere to quarantine measures. In NZ, people are already getting complacent and breaking measures early.