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  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4440

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2020, 07:33:08 am »
Yes, I heard that also.  It's going to be more like what I proposed many weeks ago.  They are going to roll it out slowly by bringing back the older grades first and gradually the younger grades until they are all eventually at 100% attendance.

1.  They could have done this a month ago.
2.  Schools are not the problem.  The virus doesn't come from being in school.
3.  The moment a case is reported in some school somewhere in the country, the entire school system will be
     shut down again and lockdown for 2 weeks.  And we're right back where we started and this could go on like this
     for the whole year.

     It's really over reaction and paranoia at it's fullest.   I don't mean to downplay it, but the actual risks are so low in
     this country people don't realize you have a higher chance of dying by food poisoning than you do of covid19.  So
     then why don't people stop eating for fear of dying?  Everytime you put something in your mouth, you could die.
probably more political than anything. in recent polls most parents were still against opening schools. no point doing something that will anger a lot of your potential voters (especially if schools opened and it caused another outbreak)


  • Kayos
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1924

    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2020, 08:02:48 am »
Anyone else's school got their events budget and planning market days, talent shows, concerts, sports days, and summer camps (across all subjects) as normal - as if a pandemic isn't happening?

Mine is unlikely to do a summer camp. I'm an August contract worker, and I have too many vacation days to use within the shortened summer vacation as is. With student's also likely to be returning soon, I don't think they'd want/let me use them during the semester now. So, summer camp will have to fall by the wayside, while allowing the excess vacation days happen during the semester.
However, my school was uncertain on a lot of this stuff as of end of day yesterday.


  • pkjh
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1912

    • May 02, 2012, 02:59:44 pm
    • Asia
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2020, 08:25:23 am »
Anyone else's school got their events budget and planning market days, talent shows, concerts, sports days, and summer camps (across all subjects) as normal - as if a pandemic isn't happening?
This is pretty normal for planning, on paper plan as much as normal as you can. Anyways, budgets were already set way back when the new fiscal year began back in January-ish. That's why we were renewed, which if this carries on longer renewal for a lot of us will be in question. And they'll find a way to spend the money, probably will be encouraged to in order to bring the economy back. Things are scheduled, and if they do bring students back it's doubtful they'd do anything off school grounds, at least until maybe the 2nd semester if they have 0 new cases, and nobody actively sick.


Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2020, 08:27:00 am »
probably more political than anything. in recent polls most parents were still against opening schools. no point doing something that will anger a lot of your potential voters (especially if schools opened and it caused another outbreak)

Good point. Agreed. 
I also think it's about saving face.  Korea wouldn't want to be the only country to restart schools and then "IF" a small outbreak occurred, it would be reported all over the world and make the Korean government look like a joke.   They are waiting for the rest of the world to re-open schools so they don't look bad.



  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4440

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2020, 09:11:00 am »
Good point. Agreed. 
I also think it's about saving face.  Korea wouldn't want to be the only country to restart schools and then "IF" a small outbreak occurred, it would be reported all over the world and make the Korean government look like a joke.   They are waiting for the rest of the world to re-open schools so they don't look bad.


it's the old "better safe than sorry" approach.

(i agree with you though, seems a bit silly if everything else is open - including hagwons. especially as i see kids playing around together in big groups anyway)


Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2020, 09:17:19 am »
it's the old "better safe than sorry" approach.

(i agree with you though, seems a bit silly if everything else is open - including hagwons. especially as i see kids playing around together in big groups anyway)

People, including myself, had to sneak into the stadium since last week (by using the stairs and side entrance) since the main entrance is closed and oftentimes the policeman guarding the place will ask us (a maximum of 3 people occupying a stadium) to leave, since the stadium is officially closed for fear of infection spreading.

The tennis courts and astroturf soccer pitch next to the stadium is business as usual, filled with people engaging in recreation.

Ridiculous.


  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4440

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2020, 09:36:51 am »
People, including myself, had to sneak into the stadium since last week (by using the stairs and side entrance) since the main entrance is closed and oftentimes the policeman guarding the place will ask us (a maximum of 3 people occupying a stadium) to leave, since the stadium is officially closed for fear of infection spreading.

The tennis courts and astroturf soccer pitch next to the stadium is business as usual, filled with people engaging in recreation.

Ridiculous.
makes no sense. people (myself included) still crowd onto busy subways in the morning. but not allowing more than 3 people to use a massive empty stadium? it's that korean illogical overreaction thing happening


  • alexisalex
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1065

    • March 02, 2014, 05:10:24 pm
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2020, 10:50:03 am »
My school has an athletic track and people sometimes come in to use it but they put a sign up banning people from doing that.  I have to agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense.


  • OnNut81
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1452

    • April 01, 2011, 03:01:41 pm
    • Anyang
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2020, 11:26:28 am »
makes no sense. people (myself included) still crowd onto busy subways in the morning. but not allowing more than 3 people to use a massive empty stadium? it's that korean illogical overreaction thing happening

Are you suggesting that just because people need to use the subways there is no case for any other restrictions?  That's like saying because I eat a lot of fast food I might as well take up smoking.  Because I ride the subway to work doesn't mean I throw social distancing out the window when I can control it.  There's no logic in that argument.  I hope to God the people in charge aren't going to base their decisions on whether they should open up a venue to crowds based on the fact another venue (public transit in your example) has opened up.  That would be illogical.  Where they are able to limit crowds they should limit them.  And if you accept it's illogical, you can't make a Korean angle out of that since the exact same thing is happening worldwide with public transit and restrictions. 


Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2020, 11:39:55 am »
Are you suggesting that just because people need to use the subways there is no case for any other restrictions?  That's like saying because I eat a lot of fast food I might as well take up smoking.  Because I ride the subway to work doesn't mean I throw social distancing out the window when I can control it.  There's no logic in that argument.  I hope to God the people in charge aren't going to base their decisions on whether they should open up a venue to crowds based on the fact another venue (public transit in your example) has opened up.  That would be illogical.  Where they are able to limit crowds they should limit them.  And if you accept it's illogical, you can't make a Korean angle out of that since the exact same thing is happening worldwide with public transit and restrictions. 

A few weeks ago, hundreds of people were taking selfies along the roadside, next to the cherry blossoms. Police were there and did nothing. Going to a stadium to walk around a track isn't essential, neither is playing tennis, soccer or taking pictures with flowers. The tennis court has about 50 people playing and watching. 50 people in a space a fifth the size of a stadium, which isn't allowing 2 people inside. 95% of the time, no more than 8 people are at that stadium and I go there a few times a week, so I know.

What this demonstrates is a complete lack of communication and coordination between government departments.


  • Savant
  • The Legend

    • 2481

    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2020, 11:44:14 am »
Are you suggesting that just because people need to use the subways there is no case for any other restrictions?  That's like saying because I eat a lot of fast food I might as well take up smoking.  Because I ride the subway to work doesn't mean I throw social distancing out the window when I can control it.  There's no logic in that argument.  I hope to God the people in charge aren't going to base their decisions on whether they should open up a venue to crowds based on the fact another venue (public transit in your example) has opened up.  That would be illogical.  Where they are able to limit crowds they should limit them.  And if you accept it's illogical, you can't make a Korean angle out of that since the exact same thing is happening worldwide with public transit and restrictions. 

Other countries have completely restricted large gatherings of people. Korea, not so much. The government offered guidelines but the people haven't really followed them. Case in point, people still flocking to see the cherry blossoms and going clubbing etc etc.

Korea has done well with testing and contact tracing. If mask-wearing wasn't the "norm" here then the curve wouldn't be flattened yet.


  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4440

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2020, 11:50:44 am »
Are you suggesting that just because people need to use the subways there is no case for any other restrictions?  That's like saying because I eat a lot of fast food I might as well take up smoking.  Because I ride the subway to work doesn't mean I throw social distancing out the window when I can control it.  There's no logic in that argument.  I hope to God the people in charge aren't going to base their decisions on whether they should open up a venue to crowds based on the fact another venue (public transit in your example) has opened up.  That would be illogical.  Where they are able to limit crowds they should limit them.  And if you accept it's illogical, you can't make a Korean angle out of that since the exact same thing is happening worldwide with public transit and restrictions. 
Subways busy, hagwons open, parks busy, restaurants busy, cafes busy, streets busy, gyms opening, amusement parks open, schools closed.

As someone said on reddit, it's like having a pee section in a swimming pool


  • pkjh
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1912

    • May 02, 2012, 02:59:44 pm
    • Asia
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2020, 12:01:26 pm »
A few weeks ago, hundreds of people were taking selfies along the roadside, next to the cherry blossoms. Police were there and did nothing. Going to a stadium to walk around a track isn't essential, neither is playing tennis, soccer or taking pictures with flowers. The tennis court has about 50 people playing and watching. 50 people in a space a fifth the size of a stadium, which isn't allowing 2 people inside. 95% of the time, no more than 8 people are at that stadium and I go there a few times a week, so I know.

What this demonstrates is a complete lack of communication and coordination between government departments.
Korea never had a strict lockdown, it was strongly recommended. And people were only reprimanded if they were known to have the virus, or contact, and broke quarantine when explicitly told to by some authority. Businesses were strongly advised to shut down. As for my area, I'd guesstimate maybe half the hagwons, and gyms, have started opening up middle of last week. But for all of March it was like a ghost town.


Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2020, 12:43:51 pm »
Korea never had a strict lockdown, it was strongly recommended. And people were only reprimanded if they were known to have the virus, or contact, and broke quarantine when explicitly told to by some authority. Businesses were strongly advised to shut down. As for my area, I'd guesstimate maybe half the hagwons, and gyms, have started opening up middle of last week. But for all of March it was like a ghost town.

Yeah, and I disagree with that approach. The "recommended" is basically the governments way of saying "We don't want to piss off unions and/or voters, so we're just going to illustrate our strong leadership by... passing the buck."


  • pkjh
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1912

    • May 02, 2012, 02:59:44 pm
    • Asia
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2020, 12:58:19 pm »
Yeah, and I disagree with that approach. The "recommended" is basically the governments way of saying "We don't want to piss off unions and/or voters, so we're just going to illustrate our strong leadership by... passing the buck."
Well, it seemed to work. Anyways, I think there were a few reasons, one being the current government being leftist so being draconian on a lockdown brings back memories of Korea's dictatorial past. And people of the left love championing that they were the reason Korea is now a liberal democracy. And the election that they had. Also, at that point way back in February only China had a strict lockdown. No other country had one, so Korea being a democracy was in uncharted territory.


  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4440

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2020, 01:23:06 pm »
Yeah, and I disagree with that approach. The "recommended" is basically the governments way of saying "We don't want to piss off unions and/or voters, so we're just going to illustrate our strong leadership by... passing the buck."
forced closure of businesses would also probably mean they'd have to/be pressured into paying relieve grants, like in other countries. something they would want to avoid, i'd imagine.


Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2020, 01:37:38 am »
Well, a number of unis - including mine - have been told to prepare for a May 11 return to the classroom.. we've had this kind of notice before (in my school's case May 4) and nothing came of it, but this projected return seems to be being looked at much more seriously than previous pronouncements; I've heard the MOE is having a major meeting in a day or two to make the momentous (hopefully) decision!

I for one will be glad to get back to the classroom, although I'm afraid that - should they postpone this planned re-opening again by a couple of weeks - that will pretty much put the kibosh on any return to the classroom this semester - it'll be online teaching right to the end of the semester!

  One silver lining might be the fact that my school has said we can return to the absolute grading system for this semester instead of the abominable relative/curve grading of the last 4 years...

 But, this is Korea after all, so I'll not hold my breath - I'll just keep my fingers crossed.


Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2020, 09:49:32 am »
Well, just received a text from my co-ordinator saying my uni is returning to in-school classes May 25th...!
 
I'll go in tomorrow to sort out some material; and hopefully confirm this; not sure how this might be connected to public schools, hagwons, etc, scheduling, but perhaps this time it might actually happen - still, things can always change (again...).


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2020, 04:28:09 pm »
Public schools reopen in phases starting next Wednesday: https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/05/119_288980.html
Mr. C is not a bad person, in fact is quite a good person here. One of the best people on this forum if you really look at it
-Mr.DeMartino


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 2298

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Why Aren't We Starting Up School?
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2020, 04:32:18 pm »
In Korean;
Mr. C is not a bad person, in fact is quite a good person here. One of the best people on this forum if you really look at it
-Mr.DeMartino