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The One True English
« on: March 13, 2020, 07:47:54 am »
I gather you are American. Without being rude, if anyone should be banned from teaching in Asia it should be those who murder the English Language, using pronunciation like 'bad' instead of bed, 'Gud' instead of God, 'dask' instead of desk.  I spend half my life correcting my students pronunciation because they have been taught by Non-Saffers


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2020, 07:55:05 am »
Most correct = that which people around the world most want to learn.

The United States is the world's sole superpower and will remain that way for as long as we live.


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2020, 08:05:04 am »
English is the international language and nowadays there are more interactions between non native speakers than with native speakers. This means that native speakers do not own the language any more. If a Chinese businessman wants to change his version of English to make it easier for the Korean he's doing business with , he will and the language will change.  As native speakers we do not then have the right to say it's wrong. 


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2020, 08:15:21 am »
Just because this may be true

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The United States is the world's sole superpower and will remain that way for as long as we live.

Does not mean that most people round the world want to learn US English.


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2020, 08:20:27 am »
I often show video clips  of Americans (Trump) making blatant errors, so GA is
definately not the most correctly used variety of Englishes.

incumbo studiis


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2020, 08:22:53 am »
English ‘belongs to everyone and no one’ (Wardhaugh 1987).

There is no single 'English', and there is no 'one true English'.

If you are saying US English is correct, which area of the US specifically speaks this correct version?
If you are saying UK English is correct, which regional dialect has it right?

This 'US vs UK' English debate is usually fun as a bit of friendly banter with my American friends, but to be taking it so seriously is a bit too far lads.
"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man." - Jebediah Springfield.


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2020, 08:32:13 am »
Interestingly, if you look at the pronunication section of the IELTS assessment criteria, it ranks strong regional accents on a par with strong foreign accents. Therefore anything that deviates from the 'standard' which I assume is RP or the equiv in America, can be marked down if the examiner feels it impairs comprehension. In other words a candidate coming in and speaking strong Geordie may score a 5 for pronunciation but 9s for the rest of the test.  They obviously have to say this for politically correct reasons since giving a Geordie a 9 because he sounds like a native speaker, even though he's often unitellligible,  but giving an Indian, for example, a 5 because he's often unintelligible but from a commonwealth country would be considered very imperialistic/racist etc..


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2020, 08:34:05 am »
for the record, i agree with datasapien. although im american, i voted for "equally correct". it's interesting that there aren't any brits supporting AmE or americans supporting BrE... almost as if it's just another thing for masturbatory nationalists...


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2020, 08:40:14 am »
I make it one American blowing the US trumpet and the rest pretty neutral so far, if you're talking about the comments.


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2020, 08:46:43 am »
well it started with saffer saying he needed to "correct" the pronunciation of students taught by non-saffers. that plus the three (probably british) people who voted for BrE


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2020, 09:35:06 am »
I think everyone speaks English 'correctly'. But we all use it differently.

'Correcting' students English like saffer said he did, is not what I focus on at school. I focus on how they use it. For example, as a Brit. Saying please and thank you every single time you ask for something/someone does something for you. In England, that is very important. In Canada, it's not.


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2020, 09:46:20 am »
What you should correct or not also depends on the context. When I'm teaching people specifically to prepare them for studying in the UK, of course I'll tell them to say cinema instead of theatre , CV instead of resume etc. If  I'm teaching people at a British hagwan, I know a lot of people will be there for the accent so I'll teach them RP pron. If I'm teaching private classes at a Korean company I'll probably laspe into US English or at least not tell students what the British version is.


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2020, 09:58:21 am »
That's very true too. I was just speaking as an English bloke, and my briefing from my school about what my role was here.


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2020, 10:23:47 am »
No New Zealand or Canadian options, ...

what's that ABOUT? Eh?

Keener, Yeah nah.

 Bugger!


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2020, 10:35:24 am »
i guess by "american" i meant "north american" and by "australian" i meant... "australian+" (but actually the aussie/NZ accents are my favorite)


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2020, 10:51:43 am »
If a Korean plans on studying or working in the USA, they'll want to learn American English. If they're going the UK, British English. If they're going to South Africa (but how often does that happen?), they'll study South African English. Or just English in general. Pretty much the same across countries.


Re: The One True English
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2020, 10:54:09 am »
Interesting discussion I think.  I've always thought that seeing as over the course of a few years your English teacher could be British, American, Canadian, Australian etc.  then you might as well throw the phonetic chart out the window.


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2020, 12:28:13 pm »
If a Korean plans on studying or working in the USA, they'll want to learn American English. If they're going the UK, British English. If they're going to South Africa (but how often does that happen?), they'll study South African English. Or just English in general. Pretty much the same across countries.

Just shows you how ignorant you are about SA. Plenty of Koreans go there to study English. In the school I taught at, there were dozens of Korean students. They had a Mr Lee (surprise, surprise at that name) who ran a whole scheme. He would buy houses near the school, recruit a Korean couple to be house parents and then go to Korea and promote our school and get rich Korean kids to come to SA, stay in his houses attend the school and he would pocket a fat some of money.

Our principal didn't like his scheming so raised the school fees for them to discourage them but they walked in there and put 5 years fees, Grade 8 - 12, cash on the table. 

So, do your research before you make claims you know nothing about.
There is no known medical cure for stupidity!


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Re: The One True English
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2020, 12:49:52 pm »
I've met loads of Koreans who have been abroad. Out of all of those none had been to South Africa. So I assumed not common. What proportion goes there?


Re: The One True English
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2020, 12:51:14 pm »
Many things in British English sound better. Some things do not.