Quote from: SuperDoodle23 on November 06, 2019, 08:16:51 pmAristocrat, I'm sorry man but you do not have any idea what you are talking about here. Carbs are not essential. It is the only macro nutrient that is non essential. Protein and fats are essential to consume but not carbs. You also make no sense. How does not eating carbs cause diabetes? You aren't even making enough sense to warrant a dignified response to such nonsense. Not eating carbs and sugar is going to cause diabetes? That makes no sense. It will lower his insulin levels and make him more insulin sensitive. It can actually help reverse diabetes. Complete nonsense post. Every vegetable is a carb, so is every fruit. You're telling me it's a good idea to go through life not eating a single fruit or vegetable? A diet devoid of fibre will increase the risk of diabetes (I never said cause) and fibre is, guess what... a carb.
Aristocrat, I'm sorry man but you do not have any idea what you are talking about here. Carbs are not essential. It is the only macro nutrient that is non essential. Protein and fats are essential to consume but not carbs. You also make no sense. How does not eating carbs cause diabetes? You aren't even making enough sense to warrant a dignified response to such nonsense. Not eating carbs and sugar is going to cause diabetes? That makes no sense. It will lower his insulin levels and make him more insulin sensitive. It can actually help reverse diabetes. Complete nonsense post.
Most keto diets contain plenty of vegetables as their actual net carbs, (as fiber is not counted as carbs due the way our bodies digest it) are very low. I eat tons of greens. Basically unlimited. Same thing for peppers. Potatoes are really the only thing you have to be careful with.
Those are NET carbs, not total carbs. Anyone who has done keto for more than a few months would know this basic concept. These things are very basic. You sound like you are following nutrition advice from a 1980's food pyramid chart. About 1:50 of this mark should clear things up. Honestly man I'm not trying to rag on you but you are spouting stuff that has been debunked 20 and 30 years ago. I'm done debating with you on this. Peace.
Net carb, as I've just learned, is a term coined by the KETO crowed, it's not a medically recognized term so don't blow a gasket if I've never heard of your buzzword. The day a fibre doesn't contain a carbon, hydrogen or oxygen atom is the day I'll stop calling it a carb.
Quote from: Aristocrat on November 07, 2019, 11:52:31 amNet carb, as I've just learned, is a term coined by the KETO crowed, it's not a medically recognized term so don't blow a gasket if I've never heard of your buzzword. The day a fibre doesn't contain a carbon, hydrogen or oxygen atom is the day I'll stop calling it a carb. "Net carbs" is absolutely a recognized term in food and nutrition science. I've heard doctors and nutritionists use it. No one said fiber doesn't contain carbs. It was simply stated that fiber isn't digested in the same was as other carbs and so can be eaten freely without worrying how it might effect your macros or blood sugar. You'll notice on the nutrition panel of foods nowadays net carbs is listed under total carbs. It's a pretty widely accepted term and is not a marketing gimmick or "buzzword".You really have a way about you, don't you? Is there any topic, any topic at all, that you don't think you know absolutely everything about and put down anyone who disagrees with you? Music, fashion, exercise, skin care routines, now apparently nutrition. Is it really that surprising that in a thread called "Anyone tried keto?" people are talking about it and offering advice? It's not it invaded a thread about food in Korea or anyone here is saying all other diets are shit. Take it easy mate. You don't have to be right about everything all the time.
You have made your point. If the OP wants to eat a balanced diet like you are suggesting he can do that as well. But you have come into a keto themed thread and advocating for people to eat carbs. Go eat your balanced diet if that is what works for you. Your approach is not an unreasonable approach to nutrition. But giving such advice here would be like me going into a vegan thread telling everyone that they should just eat meat. It's cool man. Just do your thing and we will do ours. I don't even eat keto all year because I lose a lot of weight on it and I'm trying to bulk up these days. But the OP has a specific problem and I'm trying to help him. To each his own. And FYI, Just because I don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean it's a personal attack. Cheers.
Q:What was hardest about being in ketosis?A: The constant low energy and bloody having to prep the food for work: i prepared the exact same meals every sunday or monday morning for the workweek mid-schedule hagwon dinner break. The routine was easy to plan, shop for and do except for the tediousness of always prepping. Nowadays i eat lunch out so often because it's so quick and easy and there are so many kinds of korean restaurants for lunch.
So, can I guess some small carbs a couple of times a week or something like that? I had told one person I would miss bread and milk, though the almond flour and baking could fix that.
So, what I am hearing about no energy does worry me a bit. One person said full hard core 3 months keto starting out with 3 meals and getting to once a day with intermittent fasting (18 hours between meals) and then at a later date being able to work some limited items back in from time to time? The mct oil will trick your body into thinking it's still in ketosis? So, can I guess some small carbs a couple of times a week or something like that? I had told one person I would miss bread and milk, though the almond flour and baking could fix that. Milk, not sure? Drink coconut milk mix or something else or heavy cream? Or just have some a couple of times a week after the intitial ketosis period? I do wonder if keeping it as a lifestyle would mean working some non keto items back in occasionally?
When i'm in deep ketosis and I have things that are higher in fats it feels like I'm running on jet fuel. It feels like a cleaner energy burn without the insulin dump. That's really the best way I can describe it.
Quote from: SuperDoodle23 on November 09, 2019, 12:36:30 pmWhen i'm in deep ketosis and I have things that are higher in fats it feels like I'm running on jet fuel. It feels like a cleaner energy burn without the insulin dump. That's really the best way I can describe it.It sounds like you're in the honeymoon phase. When your blood sugar levels drop really low your adrenals begin pumping your blood full of stress hormones to give you energy. You can get a similar effect from taking amphetamines. Not everything that results in weight loss in the short term is healthy in the long run.https://180degreehealth.com/the-catecholamine-honeymoon/Get back to us in six months and tell us if your diet is still working for you.
Anyone try to get on the KETO diet here?