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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2019, 02:07:16 pm »
By the way TOTALLY OFF TOPIC.  But let's say your school is liiiiike "Nah we good, we don't need you anymore."  And you are okay with that and ready to leave Korea but instead want to have some Fun-employment FUN  is it okay to stay till your visa expires and then take that exit allowance home or do you have to go home when your school buys the ticket that says you have to go.  I was wondering if there was a way to ask the school if they could just book your flight a few days before your visa officially expires.  Just thoughts.  Wanted to know if anyone has or knows someone who has done that. :wink:

I think you have to leave Korea within 10 days of your contract end date to get the exit allowance.  If you stay longer than that, you can't get the allowance.


  • oglop
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2019, 03:02:12 pm »
at my old public school, the principal wanted to let go two of the native teachers (new principal- he hated english, and wanted to save money, i guess). but he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard. this meant they'd be unable to find new jobs for the new semester, starting in march. one of the teachers had worked at that school for over 10 years...

The principal is your senior, not your employer. EPIK NETs are employed by the POE/MOE.

He doesn't fire you, the POE/MOE does. What he can do is give you a bad score on your renewal form and/or request that you be transfered. Either way, he/she needs to explain why.

Which part are you arguing with me about? Neither of those 2 teachers I mentioned were employed by the MOE - they were hired directly by the school


Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2019, 12:57:19 am »
Toughen up, Lads, as foreign contract labor, you're nothing here.

The Koreans really don't want you here.

Take your money and run.  Don't look back in the mirror.


  • hangook77
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2019, 08:36:20 am »
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Aren't they suppose to give more notice than that?  At least one or two months?  The EPIK contract says two months notice or is it just practice from many.  That principal giving two weeks notice had better have given extra compensation since it left you little time to look for another job.  I would have sat in his office screaming my lungs out at the prick if it were done at me.  I wouldn't have left till I got an extra payoff to compensate me while being unemployed due to his devious behaviour.  He'd know who the Alpha is in this situation (not saying I am in all situations, though). 

Really?  So, when the principle calls the police, telling them he has no idea why you are acting like a crazy foreigner, what will you do then?

Then, tell them, he's lying if he claims to have idea why you're pissed.  You have every right to be pissed with two weeks notice.  Cops here have no power.  Just keep repeating your version of events over and over again.  Never change your story or cave under pressure.  You either have a backbone or you don't.  I treat people with respect and I demand it in return.  You don't want to renew me?  Fine.  Give me two months notice so I can pack up my belongings and find another job.  Stab me in the back at the last minute and face me down.  As long as I'm not being physically violent, there's nothing that can be done about it.  Stick up for yourself or be a *****.  That's up to you.  I wouldn't put up with that level of disrespect myself.  But to each their own.  It's why some hakwons can still pull this 2.1 garbage, because there are pussies out there who would accept it.  If more foreigners stuck together with backbone, that wouldn't happen either.  Thankfully, the shortages are pushing some to raise their wages.  But, that's for another topic.


Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2019, 10:55:09 am »
Toughen up, Lads, as foreign contract labor, you're nothing here.

This pretty much sums it up. The contract is clear, no one is "owed" a renewal, even if you've been here ages.

Make sure and have an exit strategy.

Even if your school/co-workers/principal loves you we'll be the first to go when the belt tightens. And it will tighten.



  • Cyanea
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2019, 09:43:12 pm »
he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard.

Ghosting an employee over something so important as a renewal virtually guarantees their morale and work performance will suffer.

Obviously that boss had never been forced to live in limbo because if he had, he would know that it is about the weirdest form of emotional abuse you can play on someone. Does he really think his employee is going to wake up super motivated and run into work because they don't know what's going on? Its the opposite. The employee starts to think they are not wanted, then starts to make plan B. then scraps it. etc. Because living in limbo..just because your boss is on a power trip.. is crazy-making.



Catch my drift?


  • Kayos
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2019, 08:39:58 am »
Toughen up, Lads, as foreign contract labor, you're nothing here.

This pretty much sums it up. The contract is clear, no one is "owed" a renewal, even if you've been here ages.

Make sure and have an exit strategy.

Even if your school/co-workers/principal loves you we'll be the first to go when the belt tightens. And it will tighten.

I agree. With year to year contracts, I always make sure I have something lined up about month before the renewal paperwork here.
If I don't get renewed, even if I wanted to stay, it's no biggie as I have something to go to.


  • oglop
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2019, 08:45:20 am »
he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard.

Ghosting an employee over something so important as a renewal virtually guarantees their morale and work performance will suffer.

Obviously that boss had never been forced to live in limbo because if he had, he would know that it is about the weirdest form of emotional abuse you can play on someone. Does he really think his employee is going to wake up super motivated and run into work because they don't know what's going on? Its the opposite. The employee starts to think they are not wanted, then starts to make plan B. then scraps it. etc. Because living in limbo..just because your boss is on a power trip.. is crazy-making.

well, yeah. he had never actually really been a teacher, and from what i heard, got his position because of nepotism. just your classic entitled ajeossi


Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2019, 09:16:42 am »
Toughen up, Lads, as foreign contract labor, you're nothing here.

The Koreans really don't want you here.

Take your money and run.  Don't look back in the mirror.

This. All. Damn. Day! (preach!)


  • alexisalex
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2019, 09:20:45 am »
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!


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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2019, 10:38:58 am »
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?


  • Kayos
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2019, 10:54:31 am »
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.


  • thunderlips
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2019, 12:06:48 pm »
Oh. Yeah that sucks but not entirely surprising. Korea loves English education as long as they donít have to speak it!



  • Colburnnn
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2019, 12:45:27 pm »
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.

Any links for news articles about this?  I have some friends in Ulsan.
75% of foreigners regularly hang out in Itaewon. Only about 0.001% of Koreans do.


  • L I
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2019, 01:09:49 pm »
Ulsan is the wealthiest region of Korea.

GDP per capita is 77 million.

NETs make half that.

Surely Ulsan can afford them.

If they actually want them there that is.


  • Kayos
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2019, 01:25:56 pm »
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.

Any links for news articles about this?  I have some friends in Ulsan.

There was a thread floating around here on Tuesday, but I can't seem to find it, and I can't find anything in the korean hearld and koreatimes.
The cuts will be from people who renew at the start of the year (Feb), people who started later seemed safe based on what I read.


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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2019, 02:32:59 pm »
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.

Any links for news articles about this?  I have some friends in Ulsan.

There was a thread floating around here on Tuesday, but I can't seem to find it, and I can't find anything in the korean hearld and koreatimes.
The cuts will be from people who renew at the start of the year (Feb), people who started later seemed safe based on what I read.

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=99098.10940

A few posts later planb posted the whole translated text from the news article.


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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2019, 02:52:46 pm »
um, I'm pretty sure the school isn't buying your ticket. but I do believe you will be reimbursed for the ticket per the contract. and I thought you could stay maybe up to 10 days after your contract ends but no longer or you do not get the reimbursement for the ticket.


  • L I
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Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2019, 03:02:00 pm »
An email was sent out to all UMOE teachers by the UMOE GET Coordinator:

Hello February Contract Teachers,
If you have received this email it is because your current contract with UMOE will be ending on February 25th, 2020. If you are completing a six-month extension contract or if you do not intend to renew with UMOE, you may disregard the following.
There have been some rumors regarding the state of UMOE contract renewals in 2020 and beyond, so for the teachers who were intending to renew their contracts in February 2020, I would like to inform you of the current situation.
As many of you may already know, the UMOE Guest English Teacher budget has been severely reduced by Ulsan city hall and as a result middle school GET positions in Ulsan have been eliminated from February 2020 onward. Unfortunately, due to the drastic nature of the budget reductions it has become unavoidable to cut GET positions here in Ulsan even further.
Therefore, I must regrettably inform you that all GETs who are on a February to February contract will not be offered a contract renewal with UMOE in 2020. To be absolutely clear about what that means, all GETs (elementary, middle and high school) whose contracts finish on February 25th, 2020 will not be able to continue working with UMOE after that date.
While the contract has never guaranteed a renewal to any of us, the MOE understands that many of you have worked hard at your school(s) with the expectation of renewing for another year and that this news may come as an unwelcome surprise. To those people I can only say that the MOE did not make this decision hastily and would of course prefer to keep enthusiastic and hardworking GETs such as yourselves in as many schools as possible. Of course it goes without saying, but despite the current budgetary issues please be assured that all the terms of the contract (bonus and severance payments) will be fulfilled at the appropriate time during the leaving process.
In light of this news I know that many of you will now be looking for other employment for next year. While some of you may opt to return home or move to another country, for the teachers who wish to remain in Korea, the MOE will be able to provide copies of the documents from your original EPIK application which are currently stored at the UMOE office (i.e. certified copies of the documents required for EPIK applications). Please contact me at this email address if you need to make an appointment to collect the certified copies. For those who wish to re-apply to EPIK with the hopes of finding employment in another region of Korea, please be aware that EPIK usually accepts applications for the Spring term until January of that year, however this can change depending on the amount of applicants, so if this is the route you wish to pursue, then sooner you submit your application, the better.
Unfortunately UMOE does not have any information regarding future intakes or renewals in Ulsan (August 2020 and onward) at this time.
I will send out another email outlining the exit process for departing teachers towards the end of the semester.
Regards,
Noah XXXXXX
UMOE GET Coordinator.


Re: The crazy dance of renewal
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2019, 03:12:53 pm »
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As many of you may already know, the UMOE Guest English Teacher budget has been severely reduced by Ulsan city hall and as a result middle school GET positions in Ulsan have been eliminated from February 2020 onward.

This was done in Chungnam five years ago.  Middle goes first, then the small high schools.  The big elementary schools always have the most, which is strange because it is the least useful of the three.